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RiCharlie 09-15-2011 03:13 PM

Post on Drunk driving
 
I got a story that I considered funny about drunk driving..and posted it..
I guess I just didn't think when I did that ...It was not intended to make fun of drinking and driving but I was just passing along something that had been sent to me intending humor. I thought I would pass it along to everyone here not really thinking much about it..
To anyone who was offended I offer my apologies and I ask the administrator to remove that entire post.
Again my apologies and lesson learned

RICharlie

2011 Nismo#91 09-15-2011 03:33 PM

We should never joke about anything because jokes are offensive and hurtful to people. Especially jokes encourage people to do the right thing are the most offensive of all.
People are too damn uptight.

Pelican170 09-15-2011 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by 2011 Nismo#91 (Post 1314936)
We should never joke about anything because jokes are offensive and hurtful to people. Especially jokes encourage people to do the right thing are the most offensive of all.
People are too damn uptight.

:iagree: Every joke offends someone somewhere..... people need to learn to ease up...

shadoquad 09-15-2011 03:41 PM

Without taking any extreme point or insulting tact, there is a point that jokes are going to be offensive. At the same time, if you offend people, they're going to react.

I've offended a lot of people with my sense of humor, but I've made a lot of friends that way, too.

People can ease up or take offense. It doesn't matter one way or another. Don't take stuff personally on here, whether you're the offender or the offendee. And if something is TRULY out of bounds in your view, report it.

TheGreatOne 09-15-2011 03:42 PM

Ya, its always a touchy subject to make any jokes revolving around tipsy or drunk driving...even if you have no ill intents

I have a friend who always says he's the "best drunk driver ever" and that never goes over well. He just means even when tipsy, he's well mannered and controled but someone, somewhere will have a reason to be offended by that.

I got a good Asian joke today by the way lol

2011 Nismo#91 09-15-2011 03:44 PM

I limit my drunk driving to Forza. Watch out AI

shadoquad 09-15-2011 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by 2011 Nismo#91 (Post 1314966)
I limit my drunk driving to Forza. Watch out AI

:icon18: definitely been there.

Then I wake up the next morning hungover and with a completely different set of cars.

Sibze 09-15-2011 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad (Post 1314970)
:icon18: definitely been there.

Then I wake up the next morning hungover and with a completely different set of cars.

I did this too and I sold a car I really really didn't want to :(

2011 Nismo#91 09-15-2011 03:48 PM

Wow so I am not the only one. LOL

Sibze 09-15-2011 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by 2011 Nismo#91 (Post 1314975)
Wow so I am not the only one. LOL

A few of my buddies got trashed one night and played a custom game online. I can't even remember the name of it but man it was fun!

However!!! LOL It did show me to never ever ever drink and drive. I almost died playing a video game

Pelican170 09-15-2011 03:51 PM

Not to be taken the wrong way, but the majority of people who have drinks drive. Look at every bar thats filled with people, ill tell ya now, they arent drinking apple juice in there lol. Hell, they even have drinking driving limits (0.08).

Its one thing to drink and drive sensibly, its another to be drunk and driving....

Sibze 09-15-2011 03:52 PM

RiCharlie, good on you to say your sorry but I'd lock this thread up. It's going to anyway. Lock it before people get upset

SPOHN 09-15-2011 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad (Post 1314957)
I've offended a lot of people with my sense of humor, but I've made a lot of friends that way, too.

Me too. But I really watch my mouth a lot now. Which usually has me saying nothing.


The hole problem with a bar is that they have parking lots.

shadoquad 09-15-2011 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Pelican170 (Post 1314980)
Not to be taken the wrong way, but the majority of people who have drinks drive. Look at every bar thats filled with people, ill tell ya now, they arent drinking apple juice in there lol. Hell, they even have drinking driving limits (0.08).

Its one thing to drink and drive sensibly, its another to be drunk and driving....

But the point is that (according to the law, don't blame me) when you get to that magic BAC number, you are now lacking in judgment to determine when you've hit your limit. So, because alcohol inhibits judgment, when do you reach the point where you are now drunk and can no longer "drive sensibly"? And even if you think you're at the point over the limit where you can still do that, alcohol consumption decreases motor function and response time, so if there is an emergency situation, you may not react in time to prevent it.

That's the theory, at least. The fact that people ignore the law doesn't make it right.

Zaggeron 09-15-2011 04:13 PM

Frankly I think that the cause of the impaired driving is irrelevant.

There should be a basic motor skills test that can be administered at any time. If someone cannot pass the test, then they are ticketed for impaired driving no matter what the cause -- tired, drunk, stressed ... who cares. They are impaired so they should not be on the road.

On the flip side, if you pass the test it doesn't matter if you're sober or have had half a dozen drinks, you have the required minimum skills to be allowed on the road.

shadoquad 09-15-2011 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Zaggeron (Post 1315012)
Frankly I think that the cause of the impaired driving is irrelevant.

There should be a basic motor skills test that can be administered at any time. If someone cannot pass the test, then they are ticketed for impaired driving no matter what the cause -- tired, drunk, stressed ... who cares. They are impaired so they should not be on the road.

On the flip side, if you pass the test it doesn't matter if you're sober or have had half a dozen drinks, you have the required minimum skills to be allowed on the road.

There you go trying to apply "logic" to legislation. :roflpuke2: We can't have that!

Blue370tt 09-15-2011 04:44 PM

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Its only funny if its not you that had brain surgery and spent 7 months in the hospital.

Ethnic jokes and others dont involve death or nearly dying. I have the right to be offended and I am not a sensitive person.

OP, I accept your apology. To the others......I hope you dont get hit by a drunk driver like I did.

Jjaden 09-15-2011 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Pelican170 (Post 1314980)
Not to be taken the wrong way, but the majority of people who have drinks drive. Look at every bar thats filled with people, ill tell ya now, they arent drinking apple juice in there lol. Hell, they even have drinking driving limits (0.08).

Its one thing to drink and drive sensibly, its another to be drunk and driving....

This....

There's nothing wrong with having a couple drinks and driving, problems arrise when someone get's off work, skips dinner, has 4-5 beers and hops behind the wheel.

shadoquad 09-15-2011 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Jjaden (Post 1315048)
This....

There's nothing wrong with having a couple drinks and driving, problems arrise when someone get's off work, skips dinner, has 4-5 beers and hops behind the wheel.

My point is that drunks are a terrible judge of whether or not they've overdone it. What's the line between drunk and slightly buzzed, and where on that scale does "reasonably sober to drive" fall?

I'm sure there's a better way to determine driving fitness than just the standard .08, but I doubt we'll ever see that changed. In the meantime, people just blithely ignore the law, and we wind up with numerous deaths as a result, probably from somebody who thought they could handle what they drank.

TheGreatOne 09-15-2011 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Jjaden (Post 1315048)
This....

There's nothing wrong with having a couple drinks and driving, problems arrise when someone get's off work, skips dinner, has 4-5 beers and hops behind the wheel.


:iagree:

And Blue370tt, really sorry to see what happened to you. You are essentially the kind of person I am referring to, someone who unfortuantely has been on the wrong end of something to do with a drunk driver, so any form of it really is not funny in the least

Jjaden 09-15-2011 05:11 PM

This brings to mind a whole other argument.

There was a recent study that consisted of a control group of individuals drink 6 beers in 30min. then drive an obstacle course with pylons.

A second control group involved people on cell phones, required to maintain conversation and answer questions while on the phone taking the same course.

The people on the phones performed MUCH worse....

You won't do jail time if you hit someone while on your cell, because it's socially acceptable even if it's illegal in some states but it's proven to be much more dangerous.

krzykanuk 09-15-2011 05:15 PM

When I bought my Z I decided to never drink before driving it. That policy has worked out well. Of course, I spend a lot of my drinking time at home alone now. Oh well.

shadoquad 09-15-2011 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Jjaden (Post 1315071)
This brings to mind a whole other argument.

There was a recent study that consisted of a control group of individuals drink 6 beers in 30min. then drive an obstacle course with pylons.

A second control group involved people on cell phones, required to maintain conversation and answer questions while on the phone taking the same course.

The people on the phones performed MUCH worse....

You won't do jail time if you hit someone while on your cell, because it's socially acceptable even if it's illegal in some states but it's proven to be much more dangerous.

So just because distracted driving is bad, driving with a number of drinks in you is ok? I disagree.

As far as distracted driving, phones are just the tip of the iceberg and have been for years. People do a lot of stupid stuff while driving. How much of it can/should we legislate? I think license tests ought to be reissued every five years. You should be periodically retested for driving fitness, because that changes over time, in my opinion. But should police pull people over because they're applying makeup, eating a pastry, etc?

Or should people start taking responsibility for their driving habits? Abstaining from alcohol if you know you're driving, staying off the phone, pulling over to look at maps, etc, etc.

Zaggeron 09-15-2011 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad (Post 1315090)
So just because distracted driving is bad, driving with a number of drinks in you is ok? I disagree.

As far as distracted driving, phones are just the tip of the iceberg and have been for years. People do a lot of stupid stuff while driving. How much of it can/should we legislate? I think license tests ought to be reissued every five years. You should be periodically retested for driving fitness, because that changes over time, in my opinion. But should police pull people over because they're applying makeup, eating a pastry, etc?

Or should people start taking responsibility for their driving habits? Abstaining from alcohol if you know you're driving, staying off the phone, pulling over to look at maps, etc, etc.


You are right in that other forms of impaired driving are tough to legislate. There's a large emotional component involved as these couple of threads have shown. Somehow people think a driver is more culpable for causing an accident while drunk than for causing an accident for some other impaired driving reason -- tired, cell phone, etc. In my opinion, in both sorts of cases the driver is equally cuplible.

There's a real sense in which the focus on "drunk driving" and "zero tolerance" actually makes things worse. Instead of using police resources to discover people who are a true danger to themselves and others, they play the game of numbers and politics -- getting 10 borderline cases off the road is better press than removing 5 seriously intoxicated folk.

I think we can all agree that if we can't catch all of them, it is better to catch the ones that pose the most risk, but checkpoints don't do that and zero tolerance doesn't do that.

shadoquad 09-15-2011 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Zaggeron (Post 1315127)
I think we can all agree that if we can't catch all of them, it is better to catch the ones that pose the most risk, but checkpoints don't do that and zero tolerance doesn't do that.

:iagree:

Jjaden 09-15-2011 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad (Post 1315090)
So just because distracted driving is bad, driving with a number of drinks in you is ok? I disagree.

As far as distracted driving, phones are just the tip of the iceberg and have been for years. People do a lot of stupid stuff while driving. How much of it can/should we legislate? I think license tests ought to be reissued every five years. You should be periodically retested for driving fitness, because that changes over time, in my opinion. But should police pull people over because they're applying makeup, eating a pastry, etc?

Or should people start taking responsibility for their driving habits? Abstaining from alcohol if you know you're driving, staying off the phone, pulling over to look at maps, etc, etc.

Sorry I think you misunderstood. I didn't try to defend drinking and driving, but to draw attention to just how much driving on a cellphone affects your driving.

I was shocked to hear it was worse than downing a 6-pack.

themann1984 09-15-2011 08:06 PM

In for the joke.

The 370Z is pure sex! It is hot, loud, and rough!

BeachZTT 09-15-2011 08:16 PM

Just last week I saw a bumper sticker that I had never seen before. In large letters it said "My Daughter" I couldn't read anything else while we were moving and I don't recall why it caught my eye, but when we stopped at the next light I could read the smaller print... "was killed by a drunk driver". I wouldn't want to be on either end of that.

Fastfatdude 09-15-2011 08:27 PM

Drink driving is bad and such people should be punished.... Was hit by a truck once and it totalled my s2000. Thank goodness no injury but minor whiplash. My girlfriend was pretty traumatised though.

Wanted to rip that guys head off.. Cops took away his licence for 2 years and a $5 grand fine... Axxhole should have been jailed...

kenchan 09-15-2011 08:58 PM

I try to stay off the streets as much as possible when drunks are out.

But when I'm out on business hard to do...

EazyD 09-15-2011 09:02 PM

What time did Sean Connery arrive at Wimbledon? Tennish.

UTAMAV 09-15-2011 09:06 PM

With all that's been said....my .02 is that the OP has some major diplomatic :nutswinger:. Kudos to you sir for admitting a mistake in judgment and apologizing for it. I don't know who does it better you or Tony Romo, Oui!

Zaggeron 09-15-2011 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by UTAMAV (Post 1315299)
With all that's been said....my .02 is that the OP has some major diplomatic :nutswinger:. Kudos to you sir for admitting a mistake in judgment and apologizing for it. I don't know who does it better you or Tony Romo, Oui!

He was pounded into submission by righteous indignation :ugh2:

Pelican170 09-16-2011 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Jjaden (Post 1315071)
This brings to mind a whole other argument.

There was a recent study that consisted of a control group of individuals drink 6 beers in 30min. then drive an obstacle course with pylons.

A second control group involved people on cell phones, required to maintain conversation and answer questions while on the phone taking the same course.

The people on the phones performed MUCH worse....

You won't do jail time if you hit someone while on your cell, because it's socially acceptable even if it's illegal in some states but it's proven to be much more dangerous.

6 drink in 30 minutes will get you hammered! lol

RiCharlie 09-16-2011 10:16 AM

No
 
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Originally Posted by Zaggeron (Post 1315332)
He was pounded into submission by righteous indignation :ugh2:

No i wasnt.. i realized I did something that offended others and I owned up to it,.,nobody "pounded me into submission" Tex, old padna:rolleyes:

Zaggeron 09-16-2011 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by RiCharlie (Post 1315975)
No i wasnt.. i realized I did something that offended others and I owned up to it,.,nobody "pounded me into submission" Tex, old padna:rolleyes:

You did something that nobody could reasonably be expected to find offensive -- the joke was as corny as an old Jonny Carson joke. There was nothing for you to "own up to". A "Sorry I offended you" is appropriate, but you more or less admitted to doing something wrong and inappropriate which you did not.

Just because someone if offended by something we write or say, doesn't mean it was wrong to say it. Maybe you don't even realize it but you were bullied into erroneously admitting you did something wrong.

:tiphat:

shadoquad 09-16-2011 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Zaggeron (Post 1316001)
You did something that nobody could reasonably be expected to find offensive -- the joke was as corny as an old Jonny Carson joke. There was nothing for you to "own up to". A "Sorry I offended you" is appropriate, but you more or less admitted to doing something wrong and inappropriate which you did not.

Just because someone if offended by something we write or say, doesn't mean it was wrong to say it. Maybe you don't even realize it but you were bullied into erroneously admitting you did something wrong.

:tiphat:

:bowrofl: So, drunk driving jokes are not offensive to any reasonable person? I'm glad you're the expert on what we can and can't find funny.

shadoquad 09-16-2011 10:34 AM

Maybe he was bullied, or maybe he realized that he offended some folks.

I've offended people with humor. I'm usually enough of a man to apologize when I do.

Zaggeron 09-16-2011 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad (Post 1316009)
:bowrofl: So, drunk driving jokes are not offensive to any reasonable person? I'm glad you're the expert on what we can and can't find funny.

I'm sure that many drunk driving jokes are offensive in general, but RiCharlie's one wasn't. You can't always just place something in a category and say -- everything in this category is offensive -- no exceptions. There are degrees to which jokes can be said to be offensive and this one was more or less as mild as they come.

shadoquad 09-16-2011 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Zaggeron (Post 1316026)
I'm sure that many drunk driving jokes are offensive in general, but RiCharlie's one wasn't. You can't always just place something in a category and say -- everything in this category is offensive -- no exceptions. There are degrees to which jokes can be said to be offensive and this one was more or less as mild as they come.

ok, so as long as I post a "mild" racist joke, the target ethnicity won't find it offensive. ok, roger, got it. :bowrofl:


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