The 370z Useless Thread (Coors Lite version)

TX_370 · 10-08-2009, 03:35 PM

I'm to lazy to look it up and you guys probably know more about this than I do... on the military channel, I saw a special where in every single test done with an ATL it was a 100% successful kill.

The question to me is, why isnt this technology on our aircrafts now?

XwChriswX · 10-08-2009, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by phelan

Rofl, soon there'll be no need for ammunition, but the pilots will have to go PEW PEW PEW PEW when they're shooting XD

The problem is they were shooting at a stationary target... On the ground.

Lets try shooting what its 'designed' to kill... A High speed, climbing ICBM in the atmosphere...

phelan · 10-08-2009, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by TX_370

I'm to lazy to look it up and you guys probably know more about this than I do... on the military channel, I saw a special where in every single test done with an ATL it was a 100% successful kill.

The question to me is, why isnt this technology on our aircrafts now?

Define every single test? I saw a report in September saying they had a "kill", but I thought that was the first one. All the other ones were R&D tests to prove "hey we can actually aim this thing!"

phelan · 10-08-2009, 03:37 PM

chris the PEW PEW PEW was in reference to the ATL. that's supposed to be against hostile ground forces, no?

and yes, i know it was a megawatt laser, i was just having fun with words XD

XwChriswX · 10-08-2009, 03:39 PM

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So you'd have a big chunk of radioactive material landing God knows where? Oh, that's absolutely BRILLIANT! I don't want to die in a huge fireball, I'd rather rot and die from cancer!

This is why I'm not to fond of this idea... Either blow up the missile completely, or shoot them down once they hit the Apogee of their trajectory in space...

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Originally Posted by TX_370

I'm to lazy to look it up and you guys probably know more about this than I do... on the military channel, I saw a special where in every single test done with an ATL it was a 100% successful kill.

The question to me is, why isnt this technology on our aircrafts now?

1. Don't believe what you see on the tube... Remember, most of the tests they did were against non moving targets on the ground... Not even close to what it's intended to kill...

Let's not forget the PATRIOT SAM system also has a '100%' kill ratio lol That couldn't be further from the truth...
2. The reason why is because we spent $1.1Bil just to develop the IDEA of this aircraft, and make sure it could even fly... Nothing was mentioned of if it would actually work or not.

"In 1996, the Department of Defense awarded Team ABL a $1.1bn Programme Definition and Risk Reduction (PDRR) contract for the development and test of an airborne laser weapon system."

TX_370 · 10-08-2009, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by phelan

Define every single test? I saw a report in September saying they had a "kill", but I thought that was the first one. All the other ones were R&D tests to prove "hey we can actually aim this thing!"

Maybe thats what they were talking about, like i said it was brief special and i dont know much on the subject.

XwChriswX · 10-08-2009, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by phelan

Define every single test? I saw a report in September saying they had a "kill", but I thought that was the first one. All the other ones were R&D tests to prove "hey we can actually aim this thing!"

Which against a target sitting on the ground, that isnt moving, isn't very hard... A guy sitting in the backseat of a Bi-Plane with a hand grenade did the same thing in WW I

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Originally Posted by phelan

chris the PEW PEW PEW was in reference to the ATL. that's supposed to be against hostile ground forces, no?

I know Phelan, no the ABL is designed to shoot down enemy ICBM's immediately after launch while the missile is still in Boost Phase where its vulnerable...

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Originally Posted by phelan

and yes, i know it was a megawatt laser, i was just having fun with words XD

I know buddy =)

phelan · 10-08-2009, 03:43 PM

High power laser weapon from airborne laser platform defeats ground target in flight test - Military & Aerospace Electronics

^ 100% kill rate, yup. 1/1 stationary vehicles. programming a target acquisition system to that amount of detail is going to be a MONSTROUS task. atmospheric interference along with the sheer difference in velocities and trajectories, topography, etc...that's a lot of variables to account for. it's a great science fiction idea that has been implemented in reality, but it really isn't worth it.

phelan · 10-08-2009, 03:44 PM

wonder what the effect on the atmosphere would be if you tried to detonate a nuclear warhead while it's still waaaay up there, near its zenith?

hey, am i using the word zenith correctly O_o;

XwChriswX · 10-08-2009, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by phelan

^ 100% kill rate, yup. 1/1 stationary vehicles. programming a target acquisition system to that amount of detail is going to be a MONSTROUS task. atmospheric interference along with the sheer difference in velocities and trajectories, topography, etc...that's a lot of variables to account for. it's a great science fiction idea that has been implemented in reality, but it really isn't worth it.

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The US Air Force Airborne Laser, (ABL), designated YAL-1A, is a high-energy laser weapon system for the destruction of tactical theatre ballistic missiles, which is carried on a modified Boeing 747-400F freighter aircraft.

Thats what it's designed for... And thats not how they are testing it...

XwChriswX · 10-08-2009, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by phelan

wonder what the effect on the atmosphere would be if you tried to detonate a nuclear warhead while it's still waaaay up there, near its zenith?

You'll have a high altitude detonation, less fallout to worryabout and so forth, but you run the risk of EMP.

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Originally Posted by phelan

hey, am i using the word zenith correctly O_o;

Yes you did. Good job!

TX_370 · 10-08-2009, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by phelan

High power laser weapon from airborne laser platform defeats ground target in flight test - Military & Aerospace Electronics

^ 100% kill rate, yup. 1/1 stationary vehicles. programming a target acquisition system to that amount of detail is going to be a MONSTROUS task. atmospheric interference along with the sheer difference in velocities and trajectories, topography, etc...that's a lot of variables to account for. it's a great science fiction idea that has been implemented in reality, but it really isn't worth it.

Thanks for finding that Phelan.

phelan · 10-08-2009, 03:47 PM

yay ^___^

and i understand the possibility (high one at that) of triggering a huge EMP burst, but i'm just thinking environmentally that's not gonna be fun. i don't know if the fallout would be necessarily less; it'll all start coming down as precipitation instead!

NOTE though, aren't the ATL and ABL different programs? the YAL-1A is a separate installation than the one I read for the ATL, which was installed on a C-130

Trips · 10-08-2009, 03:49 PM

heys guys

XwChriswX · 10-08-2009, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by phelan

yay ^___^

and i understand the possibility (high one at that) of triggering a huge EMP burst, but i'm just thinking environmentally that's not gonna be fun. i don't know if the fallout would be necessarily less; it'll all start coming down as precipitation instead!

NOTE though, aren't the ATL and ABL different programs? the YAL-1A is a separate installation than the one I read for the ATL, which was installed on a C-130

Hmm... just noticed that... that would be like the military... Build 2 different A/C to do the same thing...

Thats like the E-3 Sentry, and the E-8 JSTARS lol

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phelan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: CA Age: 38 Posts: 9,513 Drives: Scoobaroo Rep Power: 3406	High power laser weapon from airborne laser platform defeats ground target in flight test - Military & Aerospace Electronics ^ 100% kill rate, yup. 1/1 stationary vehicles. programming a target acquisition system to that amount of detail is going to be a MONSTROUS task. atmospheric interference along with the sheer difference in velocities and trajectories, topography, etc...that's a lot of variables to account for. it's a great science fiction idea that has been implemented in reality, but it really isn't worth it. __________________ 凛 ('Rin') - 2009 Nissan 370Z With silence comes peace. With peace comes freedom. With freedom comes silence.

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phelan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: CA Age: 38 Posts: 9,513 Drives: Scoobaroo Rep Power: 3406	wonder what the effect on the atmosphere would be if you tried to detonate a nuclear warhead while it's still waaaay up there, near its zenith? hey, am i using the word zenith correctly O_o; __________________ 凛 ('Rin') - 2009 Nissan 370Z With silence comes peace. With peace comes freedom. With freedom comes silence.

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phelan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: CA Age: 38 Posts: 9,513 Drives: Scoobaroo Rep Power: 3406	yay ^___^ and i understand the possibility (high one at that) of triggering a huge EMP burst, but i'm just thinking environmentally that's not gonna be fun. i don't know if the fallout would be necessarily less; it'll all start coming down as precipitation instead! NOTE though, aren't the ATL and ABL different programs? the YAL-1A is a separate installation than the one I read for the ATL, which was installed on a C-130 __________________ 凛 ('Rin') - 2009 Nissan 370Z With silence comes peace. With peace comes freedom. With freedom comes silence.

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