Conceal carry weapon

Nismo221 · 04-20-2011, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

I actually think in many cases the 9mm, especially FMJ, is more likely to go through a wall than some of the larger calumets... The 9mm velocities are high, especially the hot rounds. For PD, I'm pretty confident in 9mm 124gr Speer Gold Dot.

As far as waist clips go... If you are talking about what I think you are, I'd highly recommend against it. I would never use any holster system that didn't fully cover the trigger guard.

The clip I have the only thing that sticks out is the hand grip. It took time practicing drawing the gun but I like it alot now. But as for the rounds velocite you have to remeber the mass behind the velocite. If you take a small rock and throw it very fast then take a large rock but throw it slower the larger rock is still going to do more damage. But also if you have a spare tire and a rangeor field where you shot at it, the 9mm will not puncture the car tire but a .40 will!

jnaut · 04-20-2011, 11:24 PM

.40 =

wstar · 04-20-2011, 11:49 PM

I'm biting my tongue on linking tons of firearms wounding research. I'll leave you with one really good link you should all read through carefully though: Best Choices for Self Defense Ammo. The information there is compiled from many (modern, accurate, scientific) sources on ballistics and wounding research, kills a lot of common myths you hear in the gun world, and lays out practical advice on ammo selection.

jayhuffdaddy · 04-21-2011, 12:41 AM

This is what I carry. Here is a size sheet along with it.

Nismo221 · 04-21-2011, 12:44 AM

Cool link! you have to really read through it but there is a comparison of Federal round penetration between 9mm, .40, and .45. Suprised that the .40 and .45 only penetrate just alittle less than an inch more than the 9mm. But if you look at the .40 compared to the .45, the .40 velocity is 960fps and penetrates 12.6" in gelatin. The .45 velocity is 926fps and penetrates the same 12.6".

On another note I'm suprised to see such a small change in effect in +P ammo. I would have expected more.

m4a1mustang · 04-21-2011, 07:43 AM

Guns are very personal things. As long as you are comfortable and accurate with what you shoot and are confident in it, you're fine. We can talk all day about caliber but I can tell you I'll never volunteer to stand infront of even a Daisy BB gun. I'm definitely not going to be one to judge what anyone carries. I might question how they carry it, but that's it.

wstar · 04-21-2011, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by italy3541

like i said before i dont know to much about guns. but what i have learned so far is.. for self defence use hollow point ammo, this will have great stopping power even with a 9mm and if you miss whoever your trying to shoot it will not go threw walls, it will just flatten out. for the shooting range solid ammo is fine beacuse you dont have to worry about it going threw walls.. i learned this the first day i had my gun and was shopping for ammo.. the people at the gun shops out here are very good about giving you proper info on owning, shooting and keeping the gun in good firing order.

also they type of ammo is important. not just for the stopping power but also certain types of low grade ammo can clog up your gun and even pit the barrel. i cant remember what the names of the types of ammo were that you should not buy, but i have it written down somewhere...lol..

Actually gun shop "experts" tend to give the worst advice imaginable, on average. "Stopping Power" is one of those keywords one should immediately recognize as a sign that the person you're talking to has no clue what they're talking about. Some of the statements you've made here about ammo (and especially walls) is completely false. Scroll up a few posts and read the link I posted.

wstar · 04-21-2011, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by italy3541

as for penetrating drywall according to that article as i said a hollow point usualy will not make it all the way threw..

I'm not going to bother dissecting everything you wrote. I'm not out to argue with you personally, just stop the spread of misinformation. From the linked article:

The first two bullets in that graph are hollowpoints fired from handguns. They actually have much deeper penetration in human tissue after going through drywall than they would have without going through drywall. In other words, a hollowpoint that might have lost most of its energy after passing through just one human being may easily go straight through two human beings if it goes through a wall first. This is because the drywall tends to close up the hollowpoint and prevent proper expansion, effectively turning a JHP into an FMJ.

mark_taba85 · 04-21-2011, 10:54 AM

I should've known that it would somehow steer away from the main topic. lol

although, there are a lot of information.

thanks guys.

I was thinking of getting the S9rc.

Although, it is a 9mm. I think there are more than enough rounds to punch holes in one guy with 15 rounds! lol

On the other hand, I am getting the m&p9 and XDM40 for shitz and giggles but will definitely wait til I put the gun in my hand to make a final decision for my CCW.

m4a1mustang · 04-21-2011, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by mark_taba85

I should've known that it would somehow steer away from the main topic. lol

although, there are a lot of information.

thanks guys.

I was thinking of getting the S9rc.

Although, it is a 9mm. I think there are more than enough rounds to punch holes in one guy with 15 rounds! lol

On the other hand, I am getting the m&p9 and XDM40 for shitz and giggles but will definitely wait til I put the gun in my hand to make a final decision for my CCW.

Go to a gun store and hold as many guns as you can. You might find that you absolutely hate the gun you are thinking of getting.

I really wanted to get a Springfield XD9SC but when I actually went to check it out I found that I hated it. I went home with a Glock 26 instead.

m4a1mustang · 04-21-2011, 11:08 AM

Not to be an ***, but just to be technically correct:

A clip is just that... a clip. A magazine is a spring-loaded container full of lead.

Isamu · 04-21-2011, 11:12 AM

can I just use the "stopping power" perk and be done with it?

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wstar · 04-21-2011, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Go to a gun store and hold as many guns as you can. You might find that you absolutely hate the gun you are thinking of getting.

^ This. There are a lot of gun ranges around me that do rentals. They have a wide array of used handguns behind the counter, you rent them for like $5 on top of their usual range fees and you can go try them out. I'm a huge fan of Glock's pistol design just on technical merits (mostly reliability and simplicity), but I know a few guys who won't shoot them just because they're a horrible fit for their hands, so they shoot HK, Sig, what-have-you.

mark_taba85 · 04-21-2011, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Go to a gun store and hold as many guns as you can. You might find that you absolutely hate the gun you are thinking of getting.

I really wanted to get a Springfield XD9SC but when I actually went to check it out I found that I hated it. I went home with a Glock 26 instead.

eh....whatever the case is. I am going to get the M&P even though I didn't try it. It is quite a rare kit. Plus, it is like being issued a weapon. You have to get used to it and count on it to save your life. Shitty beretta

Although, I am definitely going to look into the XDM40 since I want that too.

The gunshop that is holding the M&P kit has an indoor range and rents guns for $10 while I use my free range usage for buying a "gat" lol

I am looking at spending about $1500 for 3 guns for now...hahaha..I have a M&P MOE AR15 being made with our unit logo.

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Originally Posted by italy3541

The sr9c is what I have. I love it, it fits good in my hand. I have a few pics I'd it up in my albums. And $450 brand new with 2 clips I thought was a good deal. I will say that cocking the gun is hard at first till it gets broken in. I'm still trying to get mine to slide more easily. I think it's going to take a few more trips to the shooting range before it loosens up.

Was it $450 OTD? did you buy it locally or online?

mark_taba85 · 04-21-2011, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by italy3541

it was $450 plus tax, i bought it at Trop Gun Shop they are in Elizabethtown PA. i held a ton of dirrenet guns while i was there.. the guys there were nice and told me a lot about each gun.. they didnt seem to mind explaining all the things that made each gun different to me,(THEY KNEW I WAS GETTING MY FIRST GUN AND DIDNT MAKE FUN OF ME OR NOT WANT TO TALK TO ME BECAUSE I WAS A NEWBI). after about a hour of holding almost every gun they had it came down to the ruger and the glock. in the end i went with the ruger because of how it fit my hand.. but i will say that the glock is a real nice gun, the slide was a lot easier to move and had good balance, but it just didnt fit my hand right, the grip was too short for me, so it felt uncomfortable in my hand.. i will definatly go there again for my next gun once i get used to handeling this one...

hmmm...not bad. So it must've been about $490 OTD. You should check out budsgunshop. Their prices are the best online with free shipping. I have debated about getting it online or local. The shop I am getting it at offers military discount. It might be about a savings of about $10-$30 per gun from getting it online, but at least i'll be able to hold it and I immediately get it. The prices I am offered before tax and other fees are cheaper than online, but TN tax is about 10% yowza!

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Nismo221 Enthusiast Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Decatur, Alabama Age: 36 Posts: 489 Drives: 2010 370z Nismo Rep Power: 15	Cool link! you have to really read through it but there is a comparison of Federal round penetration between 9mm, .40, and .45. Suprised that the .40 and .45 only penetrate just alittle less than an inch more than the 9mm. But if you look at the .40 compared to the .45, the .40 velocity is 960fps and penetrates 12.6" in gelatin. The .45 velocity is 926fps and penetrates the same 12.6". On another note I'm suprised to see such a small change in effect in +P ammo. I would have expected more. __________________ Stillen Gen 3, Motordyne M370 Intake Manifold, 25 row oil cooler, Z1 test pipes, Greddy Ti-C 70mm dual exhaust, 15mm front/20mm rear spacers, RE-11's, V1 detector, LED interior lights, LED tag lights, Password JDM CF engine and radiator cooling covers.

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