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Hotrodz · 06-02-2020, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler

Never said he had an issue with his dog. I said we haven't seen what he has due to his frequent flights.

Agreed! I just pointing out the discussion took a hard left turn because of his post.

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FL 4Motion · 06-02-2020, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Hotrodz

The list is long and I just provide the obvious for sake of discussion. A dog that is not trained to provide a service and is not certified no matter what it is is not a service animal by definition!

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I agree, but not everyone that could use a service dog can get one, there are shortages of trained dogs a lot of times, but they can get and train an emotional support dog which can can provide a lot of the same support/service. Heck, a lot of times, the calming, steady emotional support IS the service.

With physical issues like stroke, paralysis etc, the service dog is opening doors, turning on lights etc, with psychiatric issues, it really is emotional support, as well as alerting on the stress etc. the training requirements or certification isn’t going to be at the same level, most household dogs with good obedience and socializing training could probably to it.

The VA treats ptsd service dogs as second class service dogs and does not provide the same level of support to them (Ex. vet coverage) compared to physical service dogs. I suppose this issue triggers me bc when I hear “all dogs provide emotional support” or something to that effect, it goes in the same line as when someone treats combat related brain damage and psychiatric injuries as somehow not the same as physical wounds.

Hotrodz · 06-02-2020, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by FL 4Motion

I agree, but not everyone that could use a service dog can get one, there are shortages of trained dogs a lot of times, but they can get and train an emotional support dog which can can provide a lot of the same support/service. Heck, a lot of times, the calming, steady emotional support IS the service.

With physical issues like stroke, paralysis etc, the service dog is opening doors, turning on lights etc, with psychiatric issues, it really is emotional support, as well as alerting on the stress etc. the training requirements or certification isn’t going to be at the same level, most household dogs with good obedience and socializing training could probably to it.

The VA treats ptsd service dogs as second class service dogs and does not provide the same level of support to them (Ex. vet coverage) compared to physical service dogs. I suppose this issue triggers me bc when I hear “all dogs provide emotional support” or something to that effect, it goes in the same line as when someone treats combat related brain damage and psychiatric injuries as somehow not the same as physical wounds.

The issue is not that you can't get a service dog for some of the things you speak of the problem is the lack of trained and certified dogs. All the programs which provide such dogs survive on donations and it takes a long time to train a dog effectively and then not all dogs are capable of being trained.

I get what you are saying including knowing a little about training dogs as I trained upland bird dogs with a professional dog trainer for years.

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Spooler · 06-02-2020, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Hotrodz

The issue is not that you can't get a service dog for some of the things you speak of the problem is the lack of trained and certified dogs. All the programs which provide such dogs survive on donations and it takes a long time to train a dog effectively and then not all dogs are capable of being trained.

I get what you are saying including knowing a little about training dogs as I trained upland bird dogs with a professional dog trainer for years.

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Yeap, professionally trained service dogs are very hard to get and very expensive. I think his issue is the way the VA classifies them. It strikes a nerve because of their lack of providing care for said dogs when the Veteran is in need.

Spooler · 06-02-2020, 08:31 PM

I have PTSD and it was not due to my military service. I got it when I was 9 or 10. I don't like talking about it so I will leave it at that.

Hotrodz · 06-02-2020, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler

Yeap, professionally trained service dogs are very hard to get and very expensive. I think his issue is the way the VA classifies them. It strikes a nerve because of their lack of providing care for said dogs when the Veteran is in need.

Agreed!

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FL 4Motion · 06-02-2020, 08:41 PM

Some folks who need service dogs also can’t get them bc they are not capable of caring for the dog and attending the required training, in cases like this an emotional support dog fills that need/gap and their spouse helps with the care of the four legged family member.

Spooler, sorry about liking that post of yours but not sure how else to show support.

FL 4Motion · 06-02-2020, 08:51 PM

Also sorry about totally fvcking this thread all to hell, I just get furious about people who claim “emotional support dog “ and are lying. Makes life a lot harder for all the honest folks.

Full disclosure: my wife and I never take our dog anywhere a “regular” pet can’t go bc he is not a service dog and I don’t want to lie, get in trouble, or make things worse for those with certified service dogs. He is my emotional support dog and has been thru obedience training, he’s better behaved than most humans in public, especially most children. I’m very protective of him tho so that could almost backfire and make things worse in some situations.

bunk · 06-03-2020, 09:41 AM

Back to our regularly scheduled program...

PS.
I had a Dr at work write me up an ESA letter so I can have a dog bigger than 20lbs in my apartment.

Fuzzzy · 06-03-2020, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by onzedge

I pay $125.00 each way for her to fly in the cabin and I have Diamond Medallion status on Delta (an am a 2 million miler). I am not one of those cheaters who claim she is a "support animal". Those people disgust me.

That Gracie is a seasoned and welcomed traveler is obvious from your previous pics itt. I apologize if I did not make it obvious that my comment was made totally in jest.

bunk · 06-03-2020, 06:35 PM

Pepper, SIT! GOOD GIRL!!

ihaveashihtzu · 06-06-2020, 04:33 AM

pluto

onzedge · 06-06-2020, 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Fuzzzy

That Gracie is a seasoned and welcomed traveler is obvious from your previous pics itt. I apologize if I did not make it obvious that my comment was made totally in jest.

onzedge · 07-26-2020, 11:19 AM

Road trip (Dog is my co-pilot)...

Fuzzzy · 07-26-2020, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by onzedge

Road trip (Dog is my co-pilot)...

ICWYDT

06-02-2020, 08:31 PM	#830 (permalink)
Spooler A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Ga Posts: 13,795 Drives: 2013 Nismo 370z Rep Power: 2684392	I have PTSD and it was not due to my military service. I got it when I was 9 or 10. I don't like talking about it so I will leave it at that. FL 4Motion, JARblue, Hotrodz and 1 others like this.

06-02-2020, 08:41 PM	#832 (permalink)
FL 4Motion A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: FL Posts: 4,776 Drives: Baby Shark Rep Power: 701615	Some folks who need service dogs also can’t get them bc they are not capable of caring for the dog and attending the required training, in cases like this an emotional support dog fills that need/gap and their spouse helps with the care of the four legged family member. Spooler, sorry about liking that post of yours but not sure how else to show support. JARblue and Spooler like this.

06-02-2020, 08:51 PM	#833 (permalink)
FL 4Motion A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: FL Posts: 4,776 Drives: Baby Shark Rep Power: 701615	Also sorry about totally fvcking this thread all to hell, I just get furious about people who claim “emotional support dog “ and are lying. Makes life a lot harder for all the honest folks. Full disclosure: my wife and I never take our dog anywhere a “regular” pet can’t go bc he is not a service dog and I don’t want to lie, get in trouble, or make things worse for those with certified service dogs. He is my emotional support dog and has been thru obedience training, he’s better behaved than most humans in public, especially most children. I’m very protective of him tho so that could almost backfire and make things worse in some situations. JARblue, Rusty, Hotrodz and 2 others like this.

07-26-2020, 11:19 AM	#839 (permalink)
onzedge A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Battle Lake MN Age: 64 Posts: 183,964 Drives: 370Z 240Z Rep Power: 2684736	Road trip (Dog is my co-pilot)... FL 4Motion, JARblue, Rusty and 2 others like this. __________________ Koni\|Swift\|Michelin\|Motordyne\|Berk\|RJM Performance\|Gates\|SPL\|Motul\|Technafit\|Ate Super Blue\|Hawk Tommy Kaira\|Momo\|Optima\|Hella\|Hotchkis\|Red Line\|ZSpeed\|Stillen\|B&M\|H&R

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