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Hotrodz · 06-02-2020, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by FL 4Motion

It’s a lot more than unconditional love tho, there is a service being rendered when for example, Someone gets overwhelmed bc of too much info to process and their tbi, ptsd, brain lesions, neurodegenerative issues overwhelmn them and their dog is able to keep them from hurting themselves, or someone else. In that moment, the dog is no different than an antipsychotic or mood stabilizer or cognitive behavioral therapy. But that is classified as an emotional support animal, really that’s about as much of a service dog as you can get, helps with disease/injury and improves persons quality of life.

We all a agree that there is no free pass for a poorly behaved animal regardless of it’s official or unofficial status and that includes the human owners too.

My issue is that what qualifies an individual for having a service dog is too narrow sometimes, it’s not just seizures, blindness, paralysis aka the obvious ones, that’s all.

The list is long and I just provide the obvious for sake of discussion. A dog that is not trained to provide a service and is not certified no matter what it is is not a service animal by definition!

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FL 4Motion · 06-02-2020, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Hotrodz

The list is long and I just provide the obvious for sake of discussion. A dog that is not trained to provide a service and is not certified no matter what it is is not a service animal by definition!

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I agree, but not everyone that could use a service dog can get one, there are shortages of trained dogs a lot of times, but they can get and train an emotional support dog which can can provide a lot of the same support/service. Heck, a lot of times, the calming, steady emotional support IS the service.

With physical issues like stroke, paralysis etc, the service dog is opening doors, turning on lights etc, with psychiatric issues, it really is emotional support, as well as alerting on the stress etc. the training requirements or certification isn’t going to be at the same level, most household dogs with good obedience and socializing training could probably to it.

The VA treats ptsd service dogs as second class service dogs and does not provide the same level of support to them (Ex. vet coverage) compared to physical service dogs. I suppose this issue triggers me bc when I hear “all dogs provide emotional support” or something to that effect, it goes in the same line as when someone treats combat related brain damage and psychiatric injuries as somehow not the same as physical wounds.

Hotrodz · 06-02-2020, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by FL 4Motion

I agree, but not everyone that could use a service dog can get one, there are shortages of trained dogs a lot of times, but they can get and train an emotional support dog which can can provide a lot of the same support/service. Heck, a lot of times, the calming, steady emotional support IS the service.

With physical issues like stroke, paralysis etc, the service dog is opening doors, turning on lights etc, with psychiatric issues, it really is emotional support, as well as alerting on the stress etc. the training requirements or certification isn’t going to be at the same level, most household dogs with good obedience and socializing training could probably to it.

The VA treats ptsd service dogs as second class service dogs and does not provide the same level of support to them (Ex. vet coverage) compared to physical service dogs. I suppose this issue triggers me bc when I hear “all dogs provide emotional support” or something to that effect, it goes in the same line as when someone treats combat related brain damage and psychiatric injuries as somehow not the same as physical wounds.

The issue is not that you can't get a service dog for some of the things you speak of the problem is the lack of trained and certified dogs. All the programs which provide such dogs survive on donations and it takes a long time to train a dog effectively and then not all dogs are capable of being trained.

I get what you are saying including knowing a little about training dogs as I trained upland bird dogs with a professional dog trainer for years.

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Spooler · 06-02-2020, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Hotrodz

The issue is not that you can't get a service dog for some of the things you speak of the problem is the lack of trained and certified dogs. All the programs which provide such dogs survive on donations and it takes a long time to train a dog effectively and then not all dogs are capable of being trained.

I get what you are saying including knowing a little about training dogs as I trained upland bird dogs with a professional dog trainer for years.

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Yeap, professionally trained service dogs are very hard to get and very expensive. I think his issue is the way the VA classifies them. It strikes a nerve because of their lack of providing care for said dogs when the Veteran is in need.

Hotrodz · 06-02-2020, 07:32 PM

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Yeap, professionally trained service dogs are very hard to get and very expensive. I think his issue is the way the VA classifies them. It strikes a nerve because of their lack of providing care for said dogs when the Veteran is in need.

Agreed!

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FL 4Motion · 06-02-2020, 07:41 PM

Some folks who need service dogs also can’t get them bc they are not capable of caring for the dog and attending the required training, in cases like this an emotional support dog fills that need/gap and their spouse helps with the care of the four legged family member.

Spooler, sorry about liking that post of yours but not sure how else to show support.

FL 4Motion · 06-02-2020, 07:51 PM

Also sorry about totally fvcking this thread all to hell, I just get furious about people who claim “emotional support dog “ and are lying. Makes life a lot harder for all the honest folks.

Full disclosure: my wife and I never take our dog anywhere a “regular” pet can’t go bc he is not a service dog and I don’t want to lie, get in trouble, or make things worse for those with certified service dogs. He is my emotional support dog and has been thru obedience training, he’s better behaved than most humans in public, especially most children. I’m very protective of him tho so that could almost backfire and make things worse in some situations.

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FL 4Motion A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: FL Posts: 4,776 Drives: Baby Shark Rep Power: 701616	Some folks who need service dogs also can’t get them bc they are not capable of caring for the dog and attending the required training, in cases like this an emotional support dog fills that need/gap and their spouse helps with the care of the four legged family member. Spooler, sorry about liking that post of yours but not sure how else to show support.

06-02-2020, 07:51 PM	#7 (permalink)
FL 4Motion A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: FL Posts: 4,776 Drives: Baby Shark Rep Power: 701616	Also sorry about totally fvcking this thread all to hell, I just get furious about people who claim “emotional support dog “ and are lying. Makes life a lot harder for all the honest folks. Full disclosure: my wife and I never take our dog anywhere a “regular” pet can’t go bc he is not a service dog and I don’t want to lie, get in trouble, or make things worse for those with certified service dogs. He is my emotional support dog and has been thru obedience training, he’s better behaved than most humans in public, especially most children. I’m very protective of him tho so that could almost backfire and make things worse in some situations.