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Hotrodz · 06-02-2020, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by FL 4Motion

One of the problems is that service animals are classified too narrowly and support animals bc they are unregulated, the designation gets misused too often. An emotional support dog for someone with tbi and ptsd gets no special status as you pointed out yet serves just as important a role in that persons life as an officially designated service dog that alerts someone of an impending seizure.

The problem is in the above scenario, the disabled person with the critically important support animal has no legal support for their animal, the people around them can’t just tell why that person needs a support animal, and too many people fake needing a support animal so no one can tell what’s what anymore.

You are missing the point as service animals were limited to the two animals for exactly, Jar's point. A service animal provides service other than being a pet. Support animals are equivalent to a pet and only have that designation because it is proven that pets have a real impact on people. Many behavioral health professionals recommend to many people who do not have a pet that get a dog or cat to provide them comfort to deal with stress, anxiety, depression and the list goes on. There is no training or certification required for a service animal. The designation will help some get affordable housing if they have a note from their psychiatrist stating there animal is a support animal. Also, a veteran or anyone with PTSD can get a Service dog for there illness. They trained to see it coming on and alert their master.

I have dealing with service dogs and support animals practically my career, both of them. No you can't have a chimpanzee as a service animal or support animal. They are dangerous on will bit your face off or rip your junck and limbs from your body.

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FL 4Motion · 06-02-2020, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by JARblue

People like to judge others. I don't understand why being discriminatory and negative is better than trying to understand from their perspective.

I deal with accessibility building codes for a living. It's amazing how often I tell someone a code requirement and they say it's the most ridiculous thing they've ever heard of. Then I explain how the requirement actually removes the architectural barrier and makes the element accessible to people with certain disabilities they hadn't thought of. All of a sudden it's ok.

Why does something have to be ridiculous just because you don't understand it?

At the risk of being too religiousy, the old saying “but for the grace of god go I”, needs to be on the forefront of more people’s minds. Empathy is too often a four letter word.

JARblue · 06-02-2020, 06:47 PM

My support animal is fluffy bunny rabbit. But my service animal is a wild rhino

Hotrodz · 06-02-2020, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by JARblue

People like to judge others. I don't understand why being discriminatory and negative is better than trying to understand from their perspective.

I deal with accessibility building codes for a living. It's amazing how often I tell someone a code requirement and they say it's the most ridiculous thing they've ever heard of. Then I explain how the requirement actually removes the architectural barrier and makes the element accessible to people with certain disabilities they hadn't thought of. All of a sudden it's ok.

Why does something have to be ridiculous just because you don't understand it?

So spot on! In my current position I deal with this all the time as the COO for my company. You the regulations surrounding an inpatient psychiatric facility are pretty much unattainable but we do it and we allow service dogs within the unit.

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Hotrodz · 06-02-2020, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by JARblue

My support animal is fluffy bunny rabbit. But my service animal is a wild rhino

Does your dog bite...no but he will ram the hell out of you! LMAO

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Spooler · 06-02-2020, 06:54 PM

I opened a can of worms errr Dogs..

FL 4Motion · 06-02-2020, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Hotrodz

You are missing the point as service animals were limited to the two animals for exactly, Jar's point. A service animal provides service other than being a pet. Support animals are equivalent to a pet and only have that designation because it is proven that pets have a real impact on people. Many behavioral health professionals recommend to many people who do not have a pet that get a dog or cat to provide them comfort to deal with stress, anxiety, depression and the list goes on. There is no training or certification required for a service animal. The designation will help some get affordable housing if they have a note from their psychiatrist stating there animal is a support animal. Also, a veteran or anyone with PTSD can get a Service dog for there illness. They trained to see it coming on and alert their master.

I have dealing with service dogs and support animals practically my career, both of them. No you can't have a chimpanzee as a service animal or support animal. They are dangerous on will bit your face off or rip your junck and limbs from your body.

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I think I wasn’t clear before, I wasn’t advocating for an expanded definition of what kinds of animals can be service animals, rather I am advocating that what types of disabilities qualify for service animals should be expanded. To my knowledge there are no service dogs for ptsd and tbi, only emotional support dogs and the training isn’t standardized for support animals and this is where #hit starts to break down and some folks take advantage.

Also, I’m just going to say it even though I may come off as being thin skinned, when you say dogs, pets etc are all emotional support animals and help their humans, while true, in the context o& this particular discussion comes off, at least to me as belittling and demeaning folks with real psychiatric and brain disabilities.

SouthArk370Z · 06-02-2020, 07:06 PM

A well-behaved dog is welcome around me any time (I like most dogs better than I like most people). A poorly behaved dog is still welcome (most bad behaviors can be corrected within a few minutes - just show the dog who the alpha is) but the owner is put on my feces list, especially if they get upset when I knee their dog in the chest for jumping up on me.

Spooler · 06-02-2020, 07:13 PM

I guess we don't see what onzedge see's. He flies way more than most. I still won't judge folks just in case I get it wrong one time. That one time would make me feel like a piece of crap. Now if they have a bird, lizard, rhino, wolf, mouse, Gerbal, rat, etc. All beats are off. That chit is fake.

Hotrodz · 06-02-2020, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by FL 4Motion

I think I wasn’t clear before, I wasn’t advocating for an expanded definition of what kinds of animals can be service animals, rather I am advocating that what types of disabilities qualify for service animals should be expanded. To my knowledge there are no service dogs for ptsd and tbi, only emotional support dogs and the training isn’t standardized for support animals and this is where #hit starts to break down and some folks take advantage.

Also, I’m just going to say it even though I may come off as being thin skinned, when you say dogs, pets etc are all emotional support animals and help their humans, while true, in the context o& this particular discussion comes off, at least to me as belittling and demeaning folks with real psychiatric and brain disabilities.

Your not thin skin at all, you just don't have a complete perspective. I never meant to demean people who that have or use support dogs, cats or horses as the benefits are huge. I was purely stating the lawful difference between the two. Support animals exist because there a reason many of us have "pets" so those in the behavioral mental health field recognized the benefits of owning a pet and gave it a name to help people that would benefit from having a companion that provides unconditional love. We are in total agreement surrounding that.

That said if you own service animal, support animal or pet. I am with Jar it needs to be under control at all times.

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Hotrodz · 06-02-2020, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler

I guess we don't see what onzedge see's. He flies way more than most. I still won't judge folks just in case I get it wrong one time. That one time would make me feel like a piece of crap. Now if they have a bird, lizard, rhino, wolf, mouse, Gerbal, rat, etc. All beats are off. That chit is fake.

The issue is not onzedge's dog. If all dogs on planes were as well behaved there would not be an issue!!!

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FL 4Motion · 06-02-2020, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Hotrodz

Your not thin skin at all, you just don't have a complete perspective. I never meant to demean people who that have or use support dogs, cats or horses as the benefits are huge. I was purely stating the lawful difference between the two. Support animals exist because there a reason many of us have "pets" so those in the behavioral mental health field recognized the benefits of owning a pet and gave it a name to help people that would benefit from having a companion that provides unconditional love. We are in total agreement surrounding that.

That said if you own service animal, support animal or pet. I am with Jar it needs to be under control at all times.

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It’s a lot more than unconditional love tho, there is a service being rendered when for example, Someone gets overwhelmed bc of too much info to process and their tbi, ptsd, brain lesions, neurodegenerative issues overwhelmn them and their dog is able to keep them from hurting themselves, or someone else. In that moment, the dog is no different than an antipsychotic or mood stabilizer or cognitive behavioral therapy. But that is classified as an emotional support animal, really that’s about as much of a service dog as you can get, helps with disease/injury and improves persons quality of life.

We all a agree that there is no free pass for a poorly behaved animal regardless of it’s official or unofficial status and that includes the human owners too.

My issue is that what qualifies an individual for having a service dog is too narrow sometimes, it’s not just seizures, blindness, paralysis aka the obvious ones, that’s all.

Spooler · 06-02-2020, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Hotrodz

The issue is not onzedge's dog. If all dogs on planes were as well behaved there would not be an issue!!!

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Never said he had an issue with his dog. I said we haven't seen what he has due to his frequent flights.

Hotrodz · 06-02-2020, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by FL 4Motion

It’s a lot more than unconditional love tho, there is a service being rendered when for example, Someone gets overwhelmed bc of too much info to process and their tbi, ptsd, brain lesions, neurodegenerative issues overwhelmn them and their dog is able to keep them from hurting themselves, or someone else. In that moment, the dog is no different than an antipsychotic or mood stabilizer or cognitive behavioral therapy. But that is classified as an emotional support animal, really that’s about as much of a service dog as you can get, helps with disease/injury and improves persons quality of life.

We all a agree that there is no free pass for a poorly behaved animal regardless of it’s official or unofficial status and that includes the human owners too.

My issue is that what qualifies an individual for having a service dog is too narrow sometimes, it’s not just seizures, blindness, paralysis aka the obvious ones, that’s all.

The list is long and I just provide the obvious for sake of discussion. A dog that is not trained to provide a service and is not certified no matter what it is is not a service animal by definition!

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FL 4Motion · 06-02-2020, 07:46 PM

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Never said he had an issue with his dog. I said we haven't seen what he has due to his frequent flights.

Too many human azzholes take advantage of a good program or idea and ruin it for the rest of us. Story told a million times a million different ways over I suppose.

Smuggling a gerbil in your rectum bc it calms your emotionally spastic colon is not legit, (I’m looking at you zoren).

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Spooler A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Ga Posts: 13,831 Drives: 2013 Nismo 370z Rep Power: 2684392	I guess we don't see what onzedge see's. He flies way more than most. I still won't judge folks just in case I get it wrong one time. That one time would make me feel like a piece of crap. Now if they have a bird, lizard, rhino, wolf, mouse, Gerbal, rat, etc. All beats are off. That chit is fake. FL 4Motion, JARblue, Hotrodz and 2 others like this.

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