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Taurus .357 2 2.44%
Sig P220 11 13.41%
Springfield XD-9 9 10.98%
HKS USP .45 13 15.85%
Ruger P90 4 4.88%
shotgun 10 12.20%
357 Sig 4 4.88%
Smith and Wesson M&P series 6 7.32%
Glock 17/19/? 32 39.02%
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Old 12-05-2010, 10:34 PM   #181 (permalink)
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You do a lot of copying and pasting.
Your point?
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It's good stuff, Cliff.
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Above 1200fps I stick with monolithic constructed bullets (Barnes) and Gold-Dot. (for my 357SIG).

For my 9mm, I use the newly re-designed ranger T-series +P+ loading (in an effort to make up for my G19's shorter barrel.) The extra velocity doesn't do much to a human target (witness the effectiveness of the .45ACP at 850fps), but for getting through car doors, and other barriers (Again, witness the .45ACP, and not in a good way this time), velocity is instrumental.

I have tired of the "knockdown power" "Hydrastatic shock", etc. etc. people always talk about with handguns. With a handgun bullet, aside from placement (which is #1 by FAR!), how big of a permanent cavity is made is what is important. FMJ usually leaves a permanent cavity around 66% the size of the caliber. JHP's, depending on how "flat" they expand to/the sharpness of the shoulder, usually leave a permanent cavity 85-9X% the size of the expanded slug.

Also, average expansion is what is important, not extreme expansion. That is, an average between the narrowest and largest expanded diameters are much more telling than the often cited largest diameter.

All that being said, barring an emotional shut-down, you are going to have to cause the target to lose enough blood-volume to shut down (roughly 20-30%), and no handgun is going to do that in a timely fashion without striking a major artery. Hit the CNS or hope they decide to stop coming or hit a major artery leading upward that will drop pressure FAST.
Through car doors, and other barriers! I believe the OP is looking for a hand gun for home defense and target practice. Not some fantasy shoot out.
Also, if your 9mmJHP fails to open, then it's just a small 9mm bullet hole!
You are far to biased and self righteous on the caliber issue.
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Through car doors, and other barriers! I believe the OP is looking for a hand gun for home defense and target practice. Not some fantasy shoot out.
Also, if your 9mmJHP fails to open, then it's just a small 9mm bullet hole!
You are far to biased and self righteous on the caliber issue.
Not biased at all. 9mm, .40, .45acp, 357SIG, they all do about the same if you load them with the correct ammunition (FMJ just doesn't do as well as a good jhp). You can't load 16 rounds of .45 into a compact handgun as easily as you can 9mm, though. I carry wherever I can (legally), and that includes my car. I would not want to have something that couldn't get in (or out...) of a car. My only bias is one of capacity, and against the 5.7 for anything more than varmints or paper-punching.

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Not biased at all. 9mm, .40, .45acp, 357SIG, they all do about the same if you load them with the correct ammunition (FMJ just doesn't do as well as a good jhp). You can't load 16 rounds of .45 into a compact handgun as easily as you can 9mm, though. I carry wherever I can (legally), and that includes my car. I would not want to have something that couldn't get in (or out...) of a car. My only bias is one of capacity, and against the 5.7 for anything more than varmints or paper-punching.
I know zip about the 5.7, it looks like it would penetrate armour.
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I know zip about the 5.7, it looks like it would penetrate armour.
With SS190 or the correct handloads, it will penetrate soft armor of certain levels. However, its terminal ballistics are very similar to the 5.56 at 400+ yards, and Iraq has taught us how well THAT works way out there.
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Ah, another reason I don't like New Jersey. What a fvcked up state.
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Can't even have a flash-hider in that state from what I recall speaking with a Jersey SWAT officer.
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so i shot the xd-9 40 cal so what else in the 500$ would i need to go try?
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so i shot the xd-9 40 cal so what else in the 500$ would i need to go try?
.45, the 9mm, you need to be sure of what you want.
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