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Originally Posted by ImportConvert How is it possible that my TRS was a lemon when it was hand-assembled? That kind of stuff just was overlooked as LB didn't care. It

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Old 12-01-2010, 10:43 PM   #1 (permalink)
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How is it possible that my TRS was a lemon when it was hand-assembled? That kind of stuff just was overlooked as LB didn't care. It HAD TO have been seen. Pure junk.

Lemons happen far more often in the 1911 world than in the Glock world. I have yet to own a Glock that was a lemon. The only 2 1911's I owned were lemons. One was Wilson Combat's top model, the other was Les Baer's TRS. Neither were reliable. Neither were what I would consider well made, as the Baer had FTRB's well past the 500 round mark, and that is after I slurried the action with CLP and JB Bore-paste to try to loosen it up. The Wilson's rear-sight came loose twice, the ejecting shells chipped the Armor-tuff off down to the base parkerizing, and when they tuned it so it wouldn't do that, it wouldn't feed the last round from Wilson 47D's about 10% of the time.

Sorry, my Glock's have a great finish, the sights don't come off, and they don't jam all the time.

I used to be the biggest tuperware hater in town and loved the 1911 to death, but then I spent more on 1911's than I did on my daily driver, and they all just sucked, whereas my Glock experience has been boring. That is to say, it always hits right where I point it, never jams unless you seriously limp-wrist it, and in general, just does what it is supposed to do---accurately and reliably deliver the bullet where you want. Every time. All the time.

The ammo used in the LesBaer that caused FTRB's was anything I had, JHP's, 230gr American Eagle, shot pretty much anything on hand in it.

The Wilson kept choking on Ranger T-series 230gr. I was TRYING to make it 500 rounds with this to ensure it was reliable. I even sent it to Wilson to zero the weapon with and they pronounced that the round was reliable in the gun and saw no reason why it shouldn't be a good choice. It was not the nose that hung up but the case-rim binding between the extractor an breech-face. It was either that, or accept that I will have all my finish chipped off on the top of the slide on a $4400 pistol. no thanks. I picked "buy this junk back, please", and got my custom SIG (2X the capacity, shoots 1.17" 5-shot groups CTC at 25 yards with Gold Dots, and never jams). The trigger on it after Torie worked it over is about a 8/10 with the WIlson's trigger being a 10/10. Fit/finish on the Wilson was a big better, but both are "tight" (don't rattle when shaken HARD), and the QPQ finish on my SIG is far superior to the Armor-Tuff, which got it's first scratch down to the metal when the FFL dealer gently clipped the nylon cord in the trigger/gard with some scissors, lol. Horrible finish. Chipped/removed by ejected casings. Fail.

I just don't see ANY advantage to a 1911 over a SIG. Both are big chunks of solid steel (if that is what you want) for a range/bedside pistol.
The 1911 is an excellent model and "highly reliable"! One "lemon" 1911, does not destroy the reliability of the tens of thousands that have been produced!
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The 1911 is an excellent model and "highly reliable"! One "lemon" 1911, does not destroy the reliability of the tens of thousands that have been produced!
Of the 3 1911's in my family, none ran right (including a TRS and a Tactical Supergrade and a Colt). Also, every poll I have ever seen on other forums with thousands of members, the 1911 comes out on the bottom, every time, regarding reliability.

It's an older design and it's showing its age.

Here is a quote from one of the men most familiar with the 1911 platform you are going to find, Hilton Yam, :

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What are the main pitfalls of running a 1911 for duty? Weapon maintenance and end user responsibility are the two big issues. The end user needs to be dialed in to the gun's quirks to be able to run it effectively. The day of handing out rack grade 1911s to the masses and using them for duty are pretty much over. A unit, team, or department that is looking at running 1911s needs to seriously consider having the following:
1) Two 1911s issued to each user, to allow for continuity when [notice...not "if"] one weapon goes down for service. Lacking this, the issuing unit needs to have a pool of spare guns to lend out to users when a gun goes down for maintenance.
2) Dedicated and skilled armorer support. Being able to maintain the weapon is key, and it requires more than a one day armorer school to learn how to effectively change parts in this gun. [yep, you have to know how to profile the hook on, and tension the extractor correctly, and then test-fire, tweak, etc.]
3) Transition training for the end users so that they may learn the unique manual of arms and proper maintenance of the 1911.
http://www.10-8performance.com/1911_Duty_Use.html

You won't find ANYONE recommending 2 glocks need to be issued to an agent/officer because of the time htey will spend at the armorer's. If they DO go down, you swap parts out and in 10 minutes it's working 100% again.

I can build a P226 sig from the ground-up (except sights, I don't have a sight-pusher) in 45 minutes, lubricating the thing and assuring everything is right, and touching up the hammer/sear if you give me a pile of parts. The 1911, not so much. To get it to really run right, a LOT! of fitting is required. Good luck finding one properly done for under $1800 or so (unless you buy used, in which case I recommend Wilson Combat due to their awesome warranty. They once told me they have less than a 1% return/failure rate. I guess since I had to return my weapon to them 2 times and then the 3rd time they bought it back, I am astronomically unlucky?). The cheapest 1911 I would buy, if I were to go through that mess again, is a Springfield Pro.

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Also, every poll I have ever seen on other forums with thousands of members, the 1911 comes out on the bottom, every time, regarding reliability.

It's an older design and it's showing its age.
I don't think so!

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That link you provided, the whole site is devoted to the 1911--Not a very good debate, if you ask me!
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