Good handguns

bullitt5897 · 11-17-2010, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

I liked my shotgun (M4 with custom titanium 7-shot mag tube, etc.) but realistically, I live in a studio appartment. The pistol under the corner of the matress made more sense for ME. For others, I am a fan of the shotgun as well. It is just simply wicked.

Here mine was with all the "go fast" goodies before I sold them to fund other things.

Here it is in its final evolution before I sold it for a G19 w/night sights and cash.

If I were to buy a long-gun for HD again, it would be an AR with a 16" barrel and a mid-length gas system from Noveske or LaRue or someone similar. Slap an ACOG with a T1 in a side-mount on it and a good light and done. 77gr OTM rounds make a HUGE mess when they fragment. Not QUITE 12ga mess, but very close.

That is a pretty Shotgun

My 2 home defense toys before I went bonkers on all the tactical gear:

ImportConvert · 11-17-2010, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by bullitt5897

That is a pretty Shotgun

My 2 home defense toys before I went bonkers on all the tactical gear:

Nice setup! I like it. Quality tid-bits there

370zproject · 11-17-2010, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by dad

Stay away from the 9mm, it doesn't seem to phase some one who is intoxicated or high on hard drugs! A .45 acp, is an excellent choice for self defense. Ruger, Sig Arms, Kimber, Spring Field XD are all excellent hand guns!

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no 9 mill?

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Originally Posted by phelan

A friend was going to sell me his Sig P226. ~500 bucks. Bad idea? Should I look into the XD or something?

I'm debating 9mm or 45 ACP...same as project tho, first gun, haven't really fired many. I guess I need to hit the practice range first...

yea same

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Originally Posted by Lug

Fock! Who told you?

.....pulls submini-22 out of arse

so for a 45 what should i get?

ImportConvert · 11-17-2010, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by bullitt5897

LOL I did say "crazy" didnt I... I dont consider the .22mag a good self defense round at all. Also, when I was referring to knock down I am referring to the capability for a specific caliber to stop a target its not a myth and the amount of force felt by the shooter does not equal the amount of force felt by the target... that is bad physics as there is several contributing factors of why you the shooter do not feel the kick and or force of the shot... Due to the nature of the slanted slope of a bullets nose there will be an increase in the amount of pressure on that small given area. This will cause the bullet to penatrate the target better than a blunt object... Now if you use hollow points thats a whole game changer as they change shape to inflict the largest amount of dispersing energy at a given penetration depth... in other words what would have felt as a golf ball sized pain and entry wound will know feel like a softball or bigger sized pain and entry wound. A .22 will not phase someone who is pissed charging at you and a .45 will at least stop the initial charge maybe even spin the person or throw them on their butt. This is all relative to where you hit the target and the targets size/weight. Knock down power is simply the amount of Ft/Lbs the bullet carries at a given distance...

Lets take a rifle round for example...

5.56 NATO and 6.8 SPC

I have shot and tested both extensively...

5.56 Nato (Hornady 75gr Tap) *this is the best bullet to transfer the most energy*

100yds = 1090 ft-lbs
200yds = ~918 ft-lbs
300yds = 750 ft-lbs
400yds = 616 ft-lbs
500yds = 497 ft-lbs

6.8 SPC (Hornady 110gr VMax) *this is the best bullet to transfer the most energy*

100yds = 1510 ft-lbs
200yds = 1226 ft-lbs
300yds = 987 ft-lbs
400yds = 836 ft-lbs
500yds = 660 ft-lbs

As stated larger caliber bullets have a greater force at equal distance... If you need graphs I can do a comparison graph to show the difference.

YouTube - Bullet Proof vest Test

Physics cannot be denied. There will be no "throwing on the butt" by anything you can shoulder/hand-fire.

ImportConvert · 11-17-2010, 08:28 PM

Oh, for those of you that keep screaming "stay away from the 9mm, get a .45". Well, handguns suck. Period. Just get one that shows CONSISTANT expansion and penetrates 12"+ in IWBA protocol testing. The 9mm does this just fine. I can recount many articles where the .45 when placed COM did nothing to stop the attacker. The one I would like to reference, has been removed, but some of you may recall where a police officer went to a domestic dispute armed with his .45 Glock and 3 magazines full of Gold-Dots. The perp was hit 13 times and the last shot was to the cranial vault. That was the only one that stopped him, he was putting lead (shotgun) on the cop the entire time. The officer later was incapacitated by his wounds (large bird-shot, one pellet or two managed to get into his skull and cause frontal brain-damage, as I recall).

Based on what I have learned from Dr. Gary Roberts, and what I have learned in my time working at a hospital, blood-loss is the only thing that matters. The bullet that crushes more tissue will cause more blood-loss will cause quicker incapacitation.

However, this comes at a price. The .45 is harder to fire multiple-times with accuracy. However, if you can fire it equally well as a 9mm and don't mind the capacity penalty, I argue that the .45 is indeed a better choice for SOME applications. I have found the 9mm to be better suited toward penetrating hard barriers such as wood, car doors, etc. It has more kinetic energy per frontal area in the 124 and 127gr +P and +P+ loadings than the .45.

So far, the 357SIG seems to take the cake, there, though. It is my bedside pistol, and it does nasty, nasty things--but it still sucks and I still have a spare 13 round mag loaded and ready.

flashburn · 11-17-2010, 08:29 PM

Looks like someone is getting ready to fend off a Taliban invasion on his home.

Pretty badass, but I don't really see those as being effective home defense weapons.

StLRedrider · 11-17-2010, 08:32 PM

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FERRARI · 11-17-2010, 08:41 PM

Nothing like the FN FIVE-SEVEN That is why all Spooks carry it 2,242'/SEC

370zproject · 11-17-2010, 08:41 PM

put a poll up will use results to go find a good gun

StLRedrider · 11-17-2010, 08:45 PM

to each their own, my kimbers are the most accurate pistols but a little too big to carry. this hk i carry fits nicely right at my waist in between my pants and boxers, not as accurate but at the range were it's needed this .40 will pack a good punch!!!!!

StLRedrider · 11-17-2010, 08:55 PM

i voted for the springfield, not that expensive, 9mm is a cheap ammo that wont take you to the bank. very rugged pistol with not alot of tlc needed. and they come in several cool color options.

370zproject · 11-17-2010, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by StLRedrider

i voted for the springfield, not that expensive, 9mm is a cheap ammo that wont take you to the bank. very rugged pistol with not alot of tlc needed. and they come in several cool color options.

i need something with little tlc?

ImportConvert · 11-17-2010, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by FERRARI

Nothing like the FN FIVE-SEVEN That is why all Spooks carry it 2,242'/SEC

Who carries it? The president's body-guards carry the 357SIG. The FAMS carry the 357SIG. The only people with the 5.7x28 carry it in the SBR'ed and full-auto P90 configuration where they can dump A LOT! of those little things on-target in a hurry.

StLRedrider · 11-17-2010, 09:02 PM

as far as i know full auto is illegal

StLRedrider · 11-17-2010, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by 370zproject

i need something with little tlc?

tender loving care, the springfield is a very rugged pistol as is the glock. they are ment to be used and abused dirty. eventually everything needs to be broke down and cleaned

View Poll Results: best personal gun for home
Taurus .357	2	2.44%
Sig P220	11	13.41%
Springfield XD-9	9	10.98%
HKS USP .45	13	15.85%
Ruger P90	4	4.88%
shotgun	10	12.20%
357 Sig	4	4.88%
Smith and Wesson M&P series	6	7.32%
Glock 17/19/?	32	39.02%
357SIG	4	4.88%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 82. You may not vote on this poll

11-17-2010, 08:28 PM	#65 (permalink)
ImportConvert A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: SWMO Posts: 4,454 Drives: 2019 CX5 GT Reserve Rep Power: 7627	Oh, for those of you that keep screaming "stay away from the 9mm, get a .45". Well, handguns suck. Period. Just get one that shows CONSISTANT expansion and penetrates 12"+ in IWBA protocol testing. The 9mm does this just fine. I can recount many articles where the .45 when placed COM did nothing to stop the attacker. The one I would like to reference, has been removed, but some of you may recall where a police officer went to a domestic dispute armed with his .45 Glock and 3 magazines full of Gold-Dots. The perp was hit 13 times and the last shot was to the cranial vault. That was the only one that stopped him, he was putting lead (shotgun) on the cop the entire time. The officer later was incapacitated by his wounds (large bird-shot, one pellet or two managed to get into his skull and cause frontal brain-damage, as I recall). Based on what I have learned from Dr. Gary Roberts, and what I have learned in my time working at a hospital, blood-loss is the only thing that matters. The bullet that crushes more tissue will cause more blood-loss will cause quicker incapacitation. However, this comes at a price. The .45 is harder to fire multiple-times with accuracy. However, if you can fire it equally well as a 9mm and don't mind the capacity penalty, I argue that the .45 is indeed a better choice for SOME applications. I have found the 9mm to be better suited toward penetrating hard barriers such as wood, car doors, etc. It has more kinetic energy per frontal area in the 124 and 127gr +P and +P+ loadings than the .45. So far, the 357SIG seems to take the cake, there, though. It is my bedside pistol, and it does nasty, nasty things--but it still sucks and I still have a spare 13 round mag loaded and ready. Last edited by ImportConvert; 11-17-2010 at 08:32 PM.

11-17-2010, 08:29 PM	#66 (permalink)
flashburn A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2009 Location: Central Florida Posts: 1,884 Drives: '12 Corvette GS 6M Rep Power: 19	Looks like someone is getting ready to fend off a Taliban invasion on his home. Pretty badass, but I don't really see those as being effective home defense weapons. __________________ Current Ride: 2012 Chevrolet Corvette Grand Sport Centennial Edition Carbon Flash 6M Previous Ride: 2009 Nissan 370Z Sport Platinum Graphite 7AT

11-17-2010, 08:32 PM	#67 (permalink)
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370zproject A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Memphis Age: 35 Posts: 16,104 Drives: 09 A/T 370z blue Rep Power: 53	put a poll up will use results to go find a good gun __________________ Brake Upgrade Package ate blue, hawk hp ceramic pads, and slotted rotors

11-17-2010, 08:45 PM	#70 (permalink)
StLRedrider A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: St.louis,Mo Posts: 17,755 Drives: O9Sprt/Touring,p-51 Rep Power: 60	to each their own, my kimbers are the most accurate pistols but a little too big to carry. this hk i carry fits nicely right at my waist in between my pants and boxers, not as accurate but at the range were it's needed this .40 will pack a good punch!!!!! __________________ Dream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today J.Dean

11-17-2010, 08:55 PM	#71 (permalink)
StLRedrider A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: St.louis,Mo Posts: 17,755 Drives: O9Sprt/Touring,p-51 Rep Power: 60	i voted for the springfield, not that expensive, 9mm is a cheap ammo that wont take you to the bank. very rugged pistol with not alot of tlc needed. and they come in several cool color options. __________________ Dream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today J.Dean

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StLRedrider A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: St.louis,Mo Posts: 17,755 Drives: O9Sprt/Touring,p-51 Rep Power: 60	as far as i know full auto is illegal __________________ Dream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today J.Dean

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