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All of the guns you listed are capable of 1-2.5" groups at 25 yards. If you shoot one more accurately than the other, it's because you find it easier to hold/sqeeze the trigger on/sights more to your liking/whatever. That is the gun you should go with as your body and mind clearly seem to prefer it.

Just my .02, but buy what YOU shoot best, not what others say is best/looks coolest on COD4, etc.

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I sold a Tactical Supergrade 1911 back to wilson because it wasn't reliable after 2 warranty return trips for various things within 2 weeks of ownership. I have never had to call Glock for a warranty issue like the sights shooting loose and wobbling around or the weapon failing to feed the last round with multiple new Glock magazines. Want that? Buy a 1911. Not for me.

The Benelli M4 is an awesome weapon. Are you tired of the junk OEM rail tearing up QD optics like LaRue? Tired of the junk OEM tube? I am friends with a guy who has beat both problems with VERY high QC parts. My friend Greg and I were the ones who put him to making that pic. rail, and ironically, I sold my M4 for $1100+ a G19 w/OEM Trijicons abotu 2 weeks before he completed the project. They are 7075 and type III ano. This guy spares no expense or QC measure and developes what he is asked to develop if enough people ask and it is feasible. The highest quality part on my M4 was the Ti tube he made. IIRC, he holds all his stuff on that tube to aerospace tolerance (+-.0001").
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You might be in for a wait, on some items, but he always delivers and only charges right before shipping. He's nearly a 1-man machine shop, so sometimes there are delays as you might imagine. Last I checked he said he was taking care of that, but he puts QC, etc. above snappy delivery times.

I love HK's as well. I just prefer to carry the G19 I have and my P226 is my range toy. I wanted a replacement for the Wilson and a GGI worked P226 Elite ST in 357SIG fit the bill. Same accuracy, almost 2x the capacity.

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I used to own a Wilson CQB that was flawless, but I had a polymer frame KZ45 that was the worst gun I ever owned.

I have a Springfield Professional FBI model, a Springfield Custom Shop "Custom Carry", and my two custom Colt Commanders (and my old Colt Defender that I sold) were all built by Springfield Custom. They do excellent custom work at reasonable prices. They also did custom work on one of my Les Baer TRS models, and they built a custom TRP for me.

I tried to send them a pile of Glocks to install Heine sights, but I think they actually laughed at that request!

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I got stuck with a TRS once, too. Les Baer ranks a step below HiPoint in my book. Workman-ship, wise, anyway. Here is a picture of my (formerly) hard-chrome (from LB) TRS, or as I like to call it "Tool of Recycled Slag">



I all but gave that pistol away. 1911's were great back in the day, but it's like going back to points ignition when we have direct ignition. When nearly 5K can't buy me one that runs 500 rounds down the tube without a jam, I don't want it. Give me a Glock. I want something that goes "bang". not "....wait for it...oh ****! It's jammed...again."

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I had two TRS's. One was a basic blued CA-certified model with the hideous front cocking serrations. Springfield Custom did a smoother carry bevel on it, installed Heine Slant Pros, recrowned the barrel, straightened the lines and feed ramp, and refinished in Black-T.

The other was a custom order hard chrome with no front cocking serrations that I pulled some strings to get into CA from Les Baer.

Both were great guns. Well finished, accurate, 100% reliable. I only sold them, like the CQB and the Ed Brown Kobra Carry, because I prefer to spec my own custom 1911's. I'm really picky about features I want, and how I want them done.

Aside from the horrible KZ45, all my 1911's have been 100% reliable with any ammo. I carried a custom Colt Defender that was flawless as well, even in the much-maligned Officer's size.

My TRS's were on par with anything else and I'd recommend them to anyone looking for a semicustom 1911 at a reasonable price. They have a great reputation and I think you got a lemon, unfortunately. It happens.

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How is it possible that my TRS was a lemon when it was hand-assembled? That kind of stuff just was overlooked as LB didn't care. It HAD TO have been seen. Pure junk.

Lemons happen far more often in the 1911 world than in the Glock world. I have yet to own a Glock that was a lemon. The only 2 1911's I owned were lemons. One was Wilson Combat's top model, the other was Les Baer's TRS. Neither were reliable. Neither were what I would consider well made, as the Baer had FTRB's well past the 500 round mark, and that is after I slurried the action with CLP and JB Bore-paste to try to loosen it up. The Wilson's rear-sight came loose twice, the ejecting shells chipped the Armor-tuff off down to the base parkerizing, and when they tuned it so it wouldn't do that, it wouldn't feed the last round from Wilson 47D's about 10% of the time.

Sorry, my Glock's have a great finish, the sights don't come off, and they don't jam all the time.

I used to be the biggest tuperware hater in town and loved the 1911 to death, but then I spent more on 1911's than I did on my daily driver, and they all just sucked, whereas my Glock experience has been boring. That is to say, it always hits right where I point it, never jams unless you seriously limp-wrist it, and in general, just does what it is supposed to do---accurately and reliably deliver the bullet where you want. Every time. All the time.

The ammo used in the LesBaer that caused FTRB's was anything I had, JHP's, 230gr American Eagle, shot pretty much anything on hand in it.

The Wilson kept choking on Ranger T-series 230gr. I was TRYING to make it 500 rounds with this to ensure it was reliable. I even sent it to Wilson to zero the weapon with and they pronounced that the round was reliable in the gun and saw no reason why it shouldn't be a good choice. It was not the nose that hung up but the case-rim binding between the extractor an breech-face. It was either that, or accept that I will have all my finish chipped off on the top of the slide on a $4400 pistol. no thanks. I picked "buy this junk back, please", and got my custom SIG (2X the capacity, shoots 1.17" 5-shot groups CTC at 25 yards with Gold Dots, and never jams). The trigger on it after Torie worked it over is about a 8/10 with the WIlson's trigger being a 10/10. Fit/finish on the Wilson was a big better, but both are "tight" (don't rattle when shaken HARD), and the QPQ finish on my SIG is far superior to the Armor-Tuff, which got it's first scratch down to the metal when the FFL dealer gently clipped the nylon cord in the trigger/gard with some scissors, lol. Horrible finish. Chipped/removed by ejected casings. Fail.

I just don't see ANY advantage to a 1911 over a SIG. Both are big chunks of solid steel (if that is what you want) for a range/bedside pistol.

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The 1911 is an excellent model and "highly reliable"! One "lemon" 1911, does not destroy the reliability of the tens of thousands that have been produced!

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Anyone owns the HK Socom MK23 model?

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hmm rember i want to carry it conceal it someday

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Of the 3 1911's in my family, none ran right (including a TRS and a Tactical Supergrade and a Colt). Also, every poll I have ever seen on other forums with thousands of members, the 1911 comes out on the bottom, every time, regarding reliability.

It's an older design and it's showing its age.

Here is a quote from one of the men most familiar with the 1911 platform you are going to find, Hilton Yam, :

http://www.10-8performance.com/1911_Duty_Use.html

You won't find ANYONE recommending 2 glocks need to be issued to an agent/officer because of the time htey will spend at the armorer's. If they DO go down, you swap parts out and in 10 minutes it's working 100% again.

I can build a P226 sig from the ground-up (except sights, I don't have a sight-pusher) in 45 minutes, lubricating the thing and assuring everything is right, and touching up the hammer/sear if you give me a pile of parts. The 1911, not so much. To get it to really run right, a LOT! of fitting is required. Good luck finding one properly done for under $1800 or so (unless you buy used, in which case I recommend Wilson Combat due to their awesome warranty. They once told me they have less than a 1% return/failure rate. I guess since I had to return my weapon to them 2 times and then the 3rd time they bought it back, I am astronomically unlucky?). The cheapest 1911 I would buy, if I were to go through that mess again, is a Springfield Pro.

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Then you would probably like a compact model best. I find that my G19 dissapears in an MTAC holster.

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It's huge, it doesn't hold very many rounds for its size, it's a conversation piece or a gamer's delight or a range-gun. Similar to the Desert Eagle, just way more reliable.

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Have the same Holster for my G36. I use the Blackhawk Serpa CQC for my G23.

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