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dad 06-23-2010 03:04 PM

Should the President have the power to shut down the Internet?
 
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Cyberium 06-23-2010 03:31 PM

Well the Internet is the last frontier that isn't controlled as of right now. All other media / entertainment is bought and paid for by people who are trying to push an agenda one way or another. According to Obama, he wants the power to shut the internet down in times of crisis or attack. Why? Well when there is a problem or attack of any kind would he want some truth told on the internet, or his propaganda pushed through your tv? The Internet has been a big headache for the people running the show for a long time. I have never seen tyranny pushed as hard and as in your face as this before.

WarmAndSCSI 06-23-2010 03:39 PM

Just the mere fact that this nonsense made it to the Senate demonstrates how ****** our country is at this point. I don't even think our politicians understand (or care about) the intent of the Internet - free exchange of information. Putting a policy like this into effect makes us just as ignorant as countries who block or censor Internet content in order to "protect the best interests of their citizens."

theDreamer 06-23-2010 03:43 PM

The real question should be, does the President (or Congress) understand what the internet is? If not, how can they even logically do anything such as this or any other proposal I have seen. I can tell you right now, most politicians have no clue what the internet really is or what it can/cannot do.

Cyberium 06-23-2010 03:56 PM

@theDreamer

The problem is, they DO understand what the internet is capable of. This is why the bill has gotten so far

WarmAndSCSI 06-23-2010 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer (Post 590292)
The real question should be, does the President (or Congress) understand what the internet is? If not, how can they even logically do anything such as this or any other proposal I have seen. I can tell you right now, most politicians have no clue what the internet really is or what it can/cannot do.

:iagree:

It's kind of sad since many of these old, decrepit politicians have been active in politics since ARPANET was first conceived.

The Internet as a network infrastructure AND idea is not something a government should ever have a role in controlling.

Cyberium 06-23-2010 04:03 PM

The bottom line is that freedom of speech is becoming a thing of the past. Look at the peaceful protesters that protest at any G20 or any other large government meetings. They are met with swat teams and tear gas to try and discourage anyone voicing an opinion against total government control.

theDreamer 06-23-2010 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cyberium (Post 590309)
@theDreamer

The problem is, they DO understand what the internet is capable of. This is why the bill has gotten so far

They understand what they internet is capable of in certain fields, illegal downloads, virus transporter, etc. They have yet to look out beyond these few items and actually see the depth of this growing market.
I do not doubt some understand how it hurts them, but that is not what should be looked at.

theDreamer 06-23-2010 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cyberium (Post 590316)
The bottom line is that freedom of speech is becoming a thing of the past. Look at the peaceful protesters that protest at any G20 or any other large government meetings. They are met with swat teams and tear gas to try and discourage anyone voicing an opinion against total government control.

Not directly, when you put world leaders together now it is a large target for terrorists or other evil organizations (whatever they are called today) to strike.

Cyberium 06-23-2010 04:13 PM

@theDreamer

Now I know why you picked that name... your still asleep my friend. It's on record that at protests that there are paid government patsy's that cause trouble so the peaceful protesters all get gassed and sound cannons shot at them. It really is ridiculous the corruption that is in government these days. And I'm not just some conspiracy theory nut, I have done years of research on these sorts of things and it's really sickening. I have fallen so far down the rabbit hole that I can't see the light anymore.

theDreamer 06-23-2010 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cyberium (Post 590325)
@theDreamer

Now I know why you picked that name... your still asleep my friend. It's on record that at protests that there are paid government patsy's that cause trouble so the peaceful protesters all get gassed and sound cannons shot at them. It really is ridiculous the corruption that is in government these days. And I'm not just some conspiracy theory nut, I have done years of research of these sorts of things and it's really sickening. I have fallen down so far down the rabbit hole that I can't see the light anymore.

What?
I know those things, but what I am saying is that Freedom of Speech is not a dead topic nor is it a thing of the past. The internet has brought this out again, and politicians fear it. What do people in power do when they fear something? They ban it or limit its access to the point people do not want it anymore. The problem is the government (not just the US) have no clue what to do and are trying to throw out random legislation to control this market.

WarmAndSCSI 06-23-2010 04:38 PM

<insert picture of a can of worms>

Fact is, most of us free-speaking Internet forum users strongly agree on the core of this matter.

hybridnation 06-23-2010 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cyberium (Post 590274)
Well the Internet is the last frontier that isn't controlled as of right now. All other media / entertainment is bought and paid for by people who are trying to push an agenda one way or another. According to Obama, he wants the power to shut the internet down in times of crisis or attack. Why? Well when there is a problem or attack of any kind would he want some truth told on the internet, or his propaganda pushed through your tv? The Internet has been a big headache for the people running the show for a long time. I have never seen tyranny pushed as hard and as in your face as this before.

well said

Jordo! 06-23-2010 05:37 PM

If there's a legitimate threat posed to us as a whole (incredilby unlikely), sure -- but seriously, are you guys worried that this might happen?

You should be more worried that Obama didn't repeal a lot of the more unsettling Bush/Cheney era Patriot Act laws that let the NSA engage in warantless wiretapping/email scouring -- one of the few true bones of contention I have with Obama -- :icon14:

shabarivas 06-23-2010 05:41 PM

Should the president be able to tell YOU to "Shut up?" and more importantly - do you have to listen to him?


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