just wondering?
 

are universities more respected than colleges while looking for a job? also, after completing a 4-year degree in a bachelor of business administration... what kind of jobs/pay could one expect? would the pay go up significantly through the years? i just wanna know cuz my bud did it and their givin him bout 40g a year and that's total BS as teachers make that much and his degree and school was much harder to get into and complete.. not to mention the genericness of the degree allows him to get a job at a wider range of occupations.. thanks for the help guys!

Think supply-demand. If there is a pretty "generic" degree, chances are the demand won't be high enough to net a very impressive salary. Once you start going off the beaten path and doing something a little bit different, your potential for a good job increases.


It has been rumored that lately, people from small colleges (liberal arts type education) are being more sought out by businesses. They are looking for someone with a versatile mind. They want people that have been taught how to think, rather than what to think. Meaning that they want someone who will be able to adapt to different work, rather than just knowing how to do one thing.

I'll see if I can find the story that I read that in. Pretty interesting idea though.

Bossman, there must be a million other people with a business administration degree. Hence your friend's issue with finding that high paying salary.

I use to do a lot of hiring, and BAs were a dime a dozen. When everyone has it, it's only as good as a high school diploma.

It's easier to get higher paying jobs in niche positions and niche industries than anything. The more broad the degree is, the less money you can expect. When a degree is targeted in a specific niche, that person holding that degree will be more likely to get that job than people holding a broadly aimed degree. It may be that the person can do the job, but maybe not as well as someone who's education targeted that niche intensely.

I was a network engineer for a LONG time and found that no matter how many idiots got their degrees in computer science, or got certificates saying they're MCSE, they didn't have the targeted education or experience I did so I got every job I wanted while they kicked up dirt wondering how I did it.

I recommend you pick a specific subject (one that is either very new or not very tapped) and you blitz-kriege the crap out of it. That way you're a monster in the subject when you go for a job. At that point, you can usually name your price too.

UCLA would have paid me 120K/yr 4 years ago if I wanted the job.

so basically it's gonna be around 40k for a while with his BBA.. how bout if you spent another 2 years and upgraded to an MBA? I mean that's some ceo status isn't it? haha.. what kind of rates we lookin in that degree bracket?

^^ just happens to be bad timing with the economic recession...lol

I really dont know about BBA, i only know about engineering.......

We are getting to the point where a bachelors is the equivalent to what a high school degree was 15 years ago. I don't have a masters, so I don't think I'm above anyone, but it seems that a bachelors doesn't mean much anymore.

sucks...eh...... the golden rule is specialization, that's where the dollars are

being a dime a dozen doesnt not help..........

Yeah, remember when you could get a good job just being good at computers? Not anymore! You have to specialize in network maintenance, or IT, or specific programing ... all jobs are the same way. I'm in safety, but you can't just be a safety guy anymore. You have to specialize in ergonomics, or hearing conservation, or fall safety ...

"Don't be good at a lot, be great at a little"

yea..... just focus on one thing and master it..........no need for a jack-of-all trades

hahaha thanks guys.. so would an MBA be much better or just a waste of time?

YEP! Exactly!

I specialize in PHP programming. I'm good at Javascript/AJAX/JSON, CSS, and HTML stuff, but when it comes down to the hardcore scripting languages, PHP is where I kick serious @ss. Back when I was doing prospecting and freelancing, I was getting paid double what other programmers were getting paid because I could do everything in half the time! :)

Specialization is VERY key in this market, no matter where the economy is. Until we're in a full depression, every job is needed still. There's still going to be people that are trying to save their businesses and will pay to have things done! That's where people who specialize in something can capitalize.

PHP+Javascript FTW! :ughdance:

I'm happy i dont have to take a C++ class..... not liking it, programing is not for me....
I'll stick with math and physics for now

I thought programming was fun. I made a couple simple programs that did funny or useful (at the time) things. Of course, that was like, 8 years ago and I wouldn't know wtf I'm doing now. I could probably still make a decent website, but with all the programs they have to help people make websites without having to know html, jav, etc, who can't make a website anymore?

mba are always good, but it is also the one masters EVERY gets, and is more focused unfortunately to what school you got it in. What i have never understood is why a person who has a 4 year degree in BA goes for 2 more years to learn essentially the same thing? I guess if you focus your mba into a specific target then that helps.

masters are funky things dude

i have a M.S. (<-- master of science, i like saying it) in alternative energy, and a specialization in bio-fuels. Company i work for does not care about it, we do not do anything in this area, so its like if i never had a masters degree. I do not get paid extra for it. still nice to say "master of science" heh.


if that dude is making 40k/yr, he should be very grateful, because as everyone says, roughly 2,000,000,000,000,000,000 graduate with that degree every semester. so just to have a job is great.

C++ was purposely made difficult by Micro$haft to ensure certain people couldn't program using it. It's not an easy language to learn and if you know any other languages, it's even more difficult. M$ didn't follow any programming standards when they started it. C++ isn't only a Micro$haft language, but to use it for Windows is just retarded.

I beg to differ. There's a million REALLY bad websites that suck even with today's tools for creating them. It still takes talent to make a nice website. That's why people pay to have their sites done!
:ughdance:

so if 40k is to be expected for a bba.. what kind of figures do you guys think one can expect from the masters? and would you have to start from the bottom if your fresh outta college? like my friend just got his BA in finance and they started him as a BANK TELLER! what?! you can get the job with a hs diploma? 4 years and 30grand for nothing? so going back to my second question.. would you start at the bottom with a masters too or would they start you as a manager or someting?

An MBA from Harvard will land you in some nice paying jobs/corps. Point is where you get the degree from has a bearing on the starting pay. An MBA will provide a higher entry level but not really a jump into management...........depends on who's hiring too. Just my :twocents::twocents: I'm just an engineer not a business type.

still no figures.. 60k? 70..80?

50k

there are literally only 10 schools out there that can get you into a high management job, but on top of that, you could have a masters from Harvard but with no experience you are worthless. essentially experience counts about 75% of the time more than the diploma. So your best bet is get the BA, work for 2-3 years then get the mba, then you can start migrating into managerial positions.

there is nothing worse than a manager who never worked at the bottom. They are worthless as hell. they do not function in a company, cannot understand the team they lead, and all they can do is play with excel, do not be one of those dudes.

Company i work for all 5 of our project managers never had any design experience with their engineering degrees, hell one of them is even a civil engineer, so now, i have to suffer with ridiculous time lines, no money for prototypes, its just a mess.

thanks chupa.. i assume you then can work your way up from 50?