Silvia S16

MC · 02-17-2009, 10:41 PM

^yup dead it seems. i was gonna get one as a daily driver too

Devil Z · 02-17-2009, 10:58 PM

This pissed me off....

ssqpolo · 02-17-2009, 11:09 PM

ya i still dont know why they would cancel a high volume selling car over a super expensive low volume car like a GTR sedan...but thats why theyre the head of multinational corporations and I'm just a guy in a Z

CrownR426 · 02-18-2009, 10:42 AM

I saw previews of this whip while back.
Wouldn't be suprised if Nissan really put a hold on this due to economical issues.
Looks pretty dangerous to me, probably gonna compete with the civic si?

frost · 02-18-2009, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ssqpolo

ya i still dont know why they would cancel a high volume selling car over a super expensive low volume car like a GTR sedan...but thats why theyre the head of multinational corporations and I'm just a guy in a Z

I would guess with the Z and the altima coupe, there just isn't enough of a reason to put a vehicle in between the two. I mean, that's a lot of sporty vehicle for a market that is not supporting sporty vehicles right now. However, I would rather they ditch the altima coupe and go forward with the silvia ... assuming it would actually look like the pics.

zigzagz94 · 08-22-2009, 06:07 PM

http://autonews.ultimatecarforum.com...21/nissan-s16/

I take any news of a Silvia/RX-7/Supra replacement coming soon with a huge grain of salt but this one peaked my interest.

The article claims the teaser image/photoshop was leaked at the Nissan GT 2012 meeting. I think I remember that an early glimpse of the restyled 370Z was also leaked at one of those meetings a couple years back. I'm not saying that validates this story, but it makes me wonder. Carlos Goshn has said the Silvia project was dead but from what I've been told/researched the project was pretty far along. Maybe the success of the GC and the impending threat of the Toyobaru coupe have made Nissan re-think the Silvia revival to compete in the cheap RWD coupe market.

I highly doubt the articles claimed 2010 release date though. It was originally rumored that Nissan wanted to beat Toyota to the market by about a year which would fit this time line but all of that was before the Goshn comments about the car being cancelled.

Maybe Goshn was pulling some type of automotive jiu-jitsu on Toyota/Subaru claiming the Silvia was dead nothing to see here, and then bam surprise buttseks reveal at this year's Tokyo motor show. It would be a pimp move as right now all of the hype is over Toyota's concepts (LF-A/L, Toyobaru).

zigzagz94 · 08-22-2009, 06:21 PM

I'm new and don't know how to post pics hopefully this works otherwise just click the link. I think the chop looks nice.

BanningZ · 08-22-2009, 06:27 PM

This would peak my interest if there were any official confirmations

Pharmacist · 08-22-2009, 06:56 PM

Unlikely to be any more new sports cars models in the near future. Not enough demand. Gas prices are increasing, and the economy is still in recession. In addition, there are rising environmental concerns about pollution, greenhouse gases, diminishing oil reserves, etc......

Small fuel efficient cars, hybrids, electric cars, etc.... are gonna be the future of the auto industry. Sports cars unfortunately may become more and more niche and only few models will survive as limited production high priced cars for the rich. We gotta be grateful Nissan actually went ahead with production of the z34, especially when its main rivals toyota and honda are abandoning the performance/sports car niche, and the american car companies are semi-bankrupt.

zigzagz94 · 08-22-2009, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Pharmacist

Unlikely to be any more new sports cars models in the near future. Not enough demand. Gas prices are increasing, and the economy is still in recession. In addition, there are rising environmental concerns about pollution, greenhouse gases, diminishing oil reserves, etc......

Small fuel efficient cars, hybrids, electric cars, etc.... are gonna be the future of the auto industry. Sports cars unfortunately may become more and more niche and only few models will survive as limited production high priced cars for the rich. We gotta be grateful Nissan actually went ahead with production of the z34, especially when its main rivals toyota and honda are abandoning the performance/sports car niche, and the american car companies are semi-bankrupt.

I have to respecfully disagree with you. The turbo 4cyl hyundai genesis coupe gets 30mpg, cost 22k, and doesn't even have direct injection yet. The GC is not a light car either at 3300lbs. Drop some weight and add DI and the combnined mpg could improve. Small, lightweight, 4cyl engine sportscars can still be popular in the future of the auto industry.

As far as not enough demand, well Ford sold over 91,000 mustangs in 2008 (most v6's). That was right before a model refresh and during one of the worst recessions in history. To put that in perspective Mitsubishi only sold 97,000 cars total.

So you see the demand for cheap,RWD, coupes is there as the sales of Mustangs and genesis coupes have demonstrated. Also add to that fact Toyota has already confirmed that they will be introducing their own (with the help of Subaru) small, rwd, coupe in the next few years and the possibility of a nissan entry into that segment becomes more believable.

Pharmacist · 08-22-2009, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by zigzagz94

I have to respecfully disagree with you. The turbo 4cyl hyundai genesis coupe gets 30mpg, cost 22k, and doesn't even have direct injection yet. The GC is not a light car either at 3300lbs. Drop some weight and add DI and the combnined mpg could improve. Small, lightweight, 4cyl engine sportscars can still be popular in the future of the auto industry.

As far as not enough demand, well Ford sold over 91,000 mustangs in 2008 (most v6's). That was right before a model refresh and during one of the worst recessions in history. To put that in perspective Mitsubishi only sold 97,000 cars total.

So you see the demand for cheap,RWD, coupes is there as the sales of Mustangs and genesis coupes have demonstrated. Also add to that fact Toyota has already confirmed that they will be introducing their own (with the help of Subaru) small, rwd, coupe in the next few years and the possibility of a nissan entry into that segment becomes more believable.

I thought the Toyobaru was dead. Is it still on? Also, Nissan already has a cheap rwd coupe, that's the 370! Introducing another one may create redundancy in their line up, not to mention that if it was a cheaper model, there's the risk it may claw away from sales of the 370.

Also, there is the issue of practicality. None of these cars is particularly practical. The only market is either people rich enough to afford a second car as a weekend toy, or young single newly grads (like myself) who have no wife or kids or any excess baggage. Sales volume will always be limited compared to other models, with a higher marginal cost than the average sedan or suv. For sports cars to be profitable, there will always be a hefty markup by the manufacturer, so they probably won't get too affordable, definitely not Corolla or Civic affordability.

It does puzzle me however, as to why anyone (let alone 90000 people) buy a V6 Crustang?

zigzagz94 · 08-22-2009, 09:05 PM

It Lives! Toyota Confirms Sports Car Project With Subaru is On "Fast Track" | Motortrend News & Auto Blog - Wide Open Throttle

Toyobaru is still on and has apparently been put on a fast track for production by new President Akio Toyoda:

"I am happy to announce this morning that Toyota plans to build an exciting, fun-to-drive, affordable sports car and launch it within the next few years. I am very excited about it, and I plan to fast-track it," he said.

A 30-40k 370Z isn't cheap to most people. The toyobaru and the proposed silvia are supposed to be priced at the sub to mid 20k mark. Think of them as more practical 2+2 coupe versions of the miata. And we all know how well the completely impractical miata sells.

Having a sub 370z RWD sports car in the line up will steal sales away from the FWD sporty coupes like the eclipse, civic si, etc. Plus it will bring in new customers to nissan who can then graduate to a more expensive Z just as Z owners aspire to own the GT-R. This three sports car tier type of system worked perfectly well for nissan in the past and there is no reason it won't work now.

02-18-2009, 10:42 AM	#19 (permalink)
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08-22-2009, 06:07 PM	#21 (permalink)
zigzagz94 Base Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Charon's ferry Posts: 8 Drives: Supercharged Eclipse Rep Power: 16	http://autonews.ultimatecarforum.com...21/nissan-s16/ I take any news of a Silvia/RX-7/Supra replacement coming soon with a huge grain of salt but this one peaked my interest. The article claims the teaser image/photoshop was leaked at the Nissan GT 2012 meeting. I think I remember that an early glimpse of the restyled 370Z was also leaked at one of those meetings a couple years back. I'm not saying that validates this story, but it makes me wonder. Carlos Goshn has said the Silvia project was dead but from what I've been told/researched the project was pretty far along. Maybe the success of the GC and the impending threat of the Toyobaru coupe have made Nissan re-think the Silvia revival to compete in the cheap RWD coupe market. I highly doubt the articles claimed 2010 release date though. It was originally rumored that Nissan wanted to beat Toyota to the market by about a year which would fit this time line but all of that was before the Goshn comments about the car being cancelled. Maybe Goshn was pulling some type of automotive jiu-jitsu on Toyota/Subaru claiming the Silvia was dead nothing to see here, and then bam surprise buttseks reveal at this year's Tokyo motor show. It would be a pimp move as right now all of the hype is over Toyota's concepts (LF-A/L, Toyobaru). Last edited by zigzagz94; 08-22-2009 at 08:38 PM.

08-22-2009, 06:27 PM	#23 (permalink)
BanningZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: nowhere Posts: 5,478 Drives: 06' Nismo Frontier Rep Power: 29	This would peak my interest if there were any official confirmations __________________ Become a Premium Member: Click HERE MB 06' Nismo VQ40DE

02-17-2009, 10:41 PM	#16 (permalink)
MC Moderator Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: NC Posts: 3,238 Drives: 2015 GTR NISMO Rep Power: 24	^yup dead it seems. i was gonna get one as a daily driver too

02-17-2009, 10:58 PM	#17 (permalink)
Devil Z Base Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: peoria Posts: 200 Drives: N/A Rep Power: 242	This pissed me off....

02-17-2009, 11:09 PM	#18 (permalink)
ssqpolo Track Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 882 Drives: '12 Black Nismo Rep Power: 267	ya i still dont know why they would cancel a high volume selling car over a super expensive low volume car like a GTR sedan...but thats why theyre the head of multinational corporations and I'm just a guy in a Z

08-22-2009, 06:56 PM	#24 (permalink)
Pharmacist A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2009 Location: Toronto, Ontario Posts: 1,249 Drives: 09 370z Sport 6MT Rep Power: 18	Unlikely to be any more new sports cars models in the near future. Not enough demand. Gas prices are increasing, and the economy is still in recession. In addition, there are rising environmental concerns about pollution, greenhouse gases, diminishing oil reserves, etc...... Small fuel efficient cars, hybrids, electric cars, etc.... are gonna be the future of the auto industry. Sports cars unfortunately may become more and more niche and only few models will survive as limited production high priced cars for the rich. We gotta be grateful Nissan actually went ahead with production of the z34, especially when its main rivals toyota and honda are abandoning the performance/sports car niche, and the american car companies are semi-bankrupt.

08-22-2009, 09:05 PM	#27 (permalink)
zigzagz94 Base Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Charon's ferry Posts: 8 Drives: Supercharged Eclipse Rep Power: 16	It Lives! Toyota Confirms Sports Car Project With Subaru is On "Fast Track" \| Motortrend News & Auto Blog - Wide Open Throttle Toyobaru is still on and has apparently been put on a fast track for production by new President Akio Toyoda: "I am happy to announce this morning that Toyota plans to build an exciting, fun-to-drive, affordable sports car and launch it within the next few years. I am very excited about it, and I plan to fast-track it," he said. A 30-40k 370Z isn't cheap to most people. The toyobaru and the proposed silvia are supposed to be priced at the sub to mid 20k mark. Think of them as more practical 2+2 coupe versions of the miata. And we all know how well the completely impractical miata sells. Having a sub 370z RWD sports car in the line up will steal sales away from the FWD sporty coupes like the eclipse, civic si, etc. Plus it will bring in new customers to nissan who can then graduate to a more expensive Z just as Z owners aspire to own the GT-R. This three sports car tier type of system worked perfectly well for nissan in the past and there is no reason it won't work now.