LOST the Final season: discussion thread

[Nick911sc]

Originally Posted by MC

desmond being what was behind that door was the most no **** reveal ever on lost.. but i mean we all knew he was coming back so hard not to see that coming...

if you watch this quick ABC sneak peek for next week (minor spoiler about desmond really being on the plane or not) .... im guessing yes he is the key .... after seeing it and what he says (not that it gives alot away but there is alot you can read in to that quick moment)

IMDb Video: It's a Boy

widmore talked about sacraficing desmond in the trailer for next week... and we know they are looking for electromagnetic pockets.... so if the failsafe key explosion...caused his mind to leap into different times in his own life... maybe the electromagnetism can allow him to leap into whatever the sideways is..what his mission is there.. i dunno.. maybe it has something to do with.. what lies in the shadow of the statue.... (locke) he who will save us all


also what is the link between sun being shot in the sideways.. loosing conciousness in the island time and then not being able to speak english? hmm... it has to be connected.. i dont believe its just a plot device from hitting her head

I agree with you. It seems that the two time lines cross each other. So as she was shot in one world, she lost a little bit of herself in the other. But, if you notice the use of the tomatoes resilience sometime after. Jack said something along the lines of..Someone never told this tomato it was supposed to die. Foreshadowing her perseverance into the future. Now obviously, I can assume Jack will be the person to save her life in the hospital that Jin just "happens" to take her to since shes been shot.


I'm sorry if I'm breaking any rules or anything in this thread. I've just recently found it and I'm a Lost fanatic! I'll begin talking about tonights episode whenever someone gives me the A Okay!

[MC]

Originally Posted by kekermahoney

OK cmon, its past west coast time start yapping! lol

give me a minute.. i think i need to watch it again i was talking all through it bouncing theories off my brother the whole time..... im very confused... i guess atleast the popular theory of the sideways being some sort of epilogue is now debunked... i dunno i think it might be some type of prison they are unknowingly trapped in because they "think" they are more content in that world.. maybe jacob created it and maybe MIB knows about it and thats what he wants to escape from, i mean desmond "waking" up the others matrix style is sort of what MIB is doing by having all the canidates leave together... like no more game pieces ...no more game maybe?

but the questions i have is did widmore know that would happen during the EM test?.. i think no because that was just a test to see if desmond could handle the EM ... but where was zoe taking him? like to the real EM pocket...what was supposed to happen there the same thing?

and eloise... like she seems aware that they are in this world that isnt supposed to be.... i guess she got off the island pregnant with daniel?... i think maybe she made some deal with whoever in exchange for having her son back.. she talked about a "violation" but of what.. this is begining to seems matrix and "the prisoner"(ery) i know the original show is differnet but in the AMC remake.. in that show like their conciousness goes to this place where it can heal from all the bad things that have happened to them and when you become aware of that reality it stops existing..

my brother is a huge comic fan and he said it reminded him of house of M.. but i havent read it

if jacob is behind this im thinking MIB is good (not really good but a lesser of the two evils)


oh and one more thought charlie had a vision of claire as he was choking right? so he had a vision of the island timeline.. juliet as she was dying had a vision of the sideways (coffe shop with sawyer?) so whats up with that?



and random trivia.. the paiting of the scales in widmores office and the fact that daniel's last name wasnt faraday because no paradox... his name was farady because he traveled back to tell his mom that name so she named him that and he grew up to travel back in time to... tell her that name in an endless loop like the compass

[Nick911sc]

The way I see it is this. This is speculation based off of quantum theory.

When the atomic bomb exploded. The world split off into 2 paradoxical time lines. But, they are indeed connected. Hence why they are getting flashes of memory going back to the island. Now remember, we've seen them time hoping back and forth throughout lost. And we've even seen them go back in time.

Faraday never became a scientist, therefore he continued his musical career. But he can remember his scientific studies because the lives are intertwined with those on the island. Just how jack had to ask about his appendix scar, almost like how Desmond now can consciously control both time lines.

There are others like Daniel's mom who know what is going on. But, they are not ordinary people. If you remember correctly, Eloise was also intruding on Desmond's time hoping previously when he wanted to buy a ring for Penny.

I'm sorry I'm ranting I'll stop for now and give this some time. Maybe I can be more coherent later.

[Reaper42]

Originally Posted by STItoEVOX

Nope. Still got Hawaii time!!

That sucks you guys in Hawaii get it last when its filmed in your backyard. I vote you guys get to see the finale first!......

....wait to reality to set in.....

....No **** that I wanna see it ASAP lol

[travisjb]

Originally Posted by MC

...did widmore know that would happen during the EM test?.. i think no because that was just a test to see if desmond could handle the EM ...

*spoiler for 6-april*

Ok, since we're throwing out theories... Widmore was testing to see if Desmond would survive the EM, which would be verification that they are in a parallel existence... because Desmond is immortal in all but the true time/existence, as Widmore somehow knew... Widmore also wanted to 'awaken' Desmond to the reality of his various existences. Desmond is 'not ready' to handle all the truths about branching realities, which will cause problems in the final episodes... and if Desmond is 'not ready' then it doesn't bode well that he asked for the manifest and decided that everyone else needs to be enlightened about the branched realities... perhaps by 'enlightening them', he dooms them to the island in the first place... Desmond's existence on the island has become aware of the many branches and seeks to converge them or close off that branch... those that exist permanently on the island seek to guard against that branch being closed off

[shabarivas]

haha the whole lost crew is smart - they purposely started calling it the "plot sideways" when all along.. it was the plot future lol... smart move i guess

[MC]

Originally Posted by Nick911sc

There are others like Daniel's mom who know what is going on. But, they are not ordinary people. If you remember correctly, Eloise was also intruding on Desmond's time hoping previously when he wanted to buy a ring for Penny.

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yeah and she showed him the guy in the red shoes (dharma logo i think) who all that **** fell on.. she knew how everything happened and was going to happen.. the way i always rationalized this was... she had faradays journal from when she shot him in the 70's if he wrote down about how desmond came to the island and pressed the button then the plane crashed and and then he flashed back to meet him at oxford and all that then she knew all of that.. didnt she say in season 5 somthing like for the first time i dont know what happens next?

i also always thought widmore was in on it too.. like he was cruel to desmond so desmond would try to get his approval which would make him join the sail boat race which would send him to the island..

i always thought they both knew his ultimate destiny and were making sure he stayed on that path..

[MC]

Originally Posted by travisjb

*spoiler for 6-april*

Ok, since we're throwing out theories... Widmore was testing to see if Desmond would survive the EM, which would be verification that they are in a parallel existence... because Desmond is immortal in all but the true time/existence, as Widmore somehow knew... Widmore also wanted to 'awaken' Desmond to the reality of his various existences. Desmond is 'not ready' to handle all the truths about branching realities, which will cause problems in the final episodes... and if Desmond is 'not ready' then it doesn't bode well that he asked for the manifest and decided that everyone else needs to be enlightened about the branched realities... perhaps by 'enlightening them', he dooms them to the island in the first place... Desmond's existence on the island has become aware of the many branches and seeks to converge them or close off that branch... those that exist permanently on the island seek to guard against that branch being closed off

it might be like donnie darko where a tangent universe was created and is making the other unstable ... widmore brought up how things will cease to exist if MIB leaves the island
( im guessing with the other remaining canidates) ... im not sure how he(MIB) is linked to it all but something ceasing to exist sounds like an implosion of a timeline to me..

if this is what we are seeing i dont think the bomb created it.. the bomb maintained the main island timeline .... i think the lack of the bomb created it.. the bomb was like the failsafe and possible saved the island from sinking from the EM leakage at the drilling site.. the lack of the bomb caused the tangent universe maybe?

but then its like a paradox. they flew over the sunken island and didnt crash but the island was sunken because.. they didnt crash on it ( to eventually detonate the bomb)


so im not sure that theory does it for me... you have this story about seemingly multiverses which is more scientific then you have this whole jacob vs MIB myth type story.. i cant yet see how its connected i keep going back to how this is a game jacob is playing and maybe this other sideways is part of it... and damon and carlton both said dont call it an alternate universe..

so ok i will take them at their word for a minute... what if its not a alternate universe what if its like a false created shared conciousness ( related to jacob or MIB's offers about saving/seeing loved ones again and all that) and it isnt actually a living breathing reality.. that would mean people like jacks son.. arnt real?

so many questions.

next week i see is a hurley episode ( the last single character centric episode of lost i think) maybe all those people he has seen arnt ghosts.. maybe they are versions of the people from the sideways? but then what about isabella? ok in talking in circles now

[travisjb]

interesting, but multiple paths of reality is much more plausible than multiple conciousnesses... remember that the characters have shared experiences... you're prob teeing off the fact that desmond and hobbit weren't in sync with each other's shared experiences, but that can be explained by the fact that in that 1 existence they were both new to the idea of multiple branches of reality... once 1-2 of the branches beging to realize there are other branches, they seek them out and are COMPELLED to connect them... like widmore's wife obviously had done much earlier in her life... it's clearly a slippery slope and once you venture down that path you are destined for the island or something else... that's what widmore is doing as well

[MC]

ok so mimicking an experience in the sideways from the island world triggers awareness its not just a near death experience i dont think

1) charlie choking on the plane was like him either drowning or even from when ethan hung him...

2) desmond seeing charlie drown and the hand on the glass triggered his

3) hurley and libby on the beach with the kiss ( the whole soulmate thing)

4) locke being hit recreated the falling from the window? ( its obvious thats not how he was paralyzed in the sideways


so whos next? here is my guess... jack operates to save locke and has to do the count to 5 and let the fear in thing?

speaking of hospital we have sun, jin, claire, charlie, jack and sayid either at the hospital or linked to it... im guessing this is where everyone reconnects? i had thought lockes wedding but now... who knows... hurley sawyer and kate i dont know ...


ok if desmond is so quick to run down locke like that, is that telling us that this reality doesnt matter as much as the island one? or is it the one that goes away? if so what does that mean for david?

next weeks episode is called the last recruit and im guessing from that final look and locke on his way to the hospital we will see alot of him and jack... how about if jack isnt the canidate but instead joins team MIB? does MIB even know about the sideways? if so could he use the knowledge of jacks other reality with a son as leverage?

i dunno... also found out after next week Lost doesnt come back until may 4th

[MC]

if MIB was christian the entire time then

#1 how was he on the freighter when he cant travel over water and why where there whispers before he appeared to michael and said you can go now ( or was that ghost christian welcoming michael to there little ghost trapped on the island thing?)


#2 who was the eye in the cabin that hurlley saw when christain was in the rocking chair?

#3 how did he appear to jack in the hospital if he cant leave the island?

[MC]

this thread is more dead than zombie sayid

this should get you excited for tuesday

[shabarivas]

dude... charlie and libby know of the other person in the "sideways" simply because they are dead on the island... the sideways is hardly sideways... its more like "infrontways" lol... whatever happens on the island happens and then progresses to become the so called "sideways" It certainly has to occur after what happens in the island...

[MC]

i cried

[shabarivas]

My friend read spoilers and told me its going to be nuts... i cant wait... dling now!! give me an hour or so haha