LOST the Final season: discussion thread

[MC]

ok so that was the most BOMBSHELL episode of lost EVER , im having a mental overload

i will wait until it airs on the west coast to discuss theories

but wow the numbers are answered and the reason why their lives are different in the other timeline is answered

[Reaper42]

So whats your thoughts?

[MC]

it depends on if you believe the MIB.. i thnk there are some truths in there but i think his motives are false... it seems that everyone we saw touched ( except kate) is a canidate for protector of the island. and jacob and been luring them there their whole lives.. this also explains why their lives are differnt before they changed things in 1977.. jacobs influence is compeltely removed from their lives... thats why the plane crashed thats why they were told they shouldnt have left and so on... i think the canidate thing is real because Llana is not on MIB's side and she brought it up last season.. and he said the island isnt special...well it obviously is... ya know with the whole time travel donkey wheel , healing powers and.. well a smoke monster..... but im hoping we will hear jacobs side next week... the whole revelation that MIB was a human at some point and lost someone he loved i think is true too but im not 100% that he doesnt want to kill the remaining canidates ( i guess so there would be no need for this "game" anymore maybe) and he is using sawyer.. much like he used ben.. i mean we saw him scoping out a drunk broken sawyer in smoke form before he approached him



the 3 main questions i have after this episode are..

#1if jacob has been luring all those names to the island... then why did he touch hurley and sayid AFTER the crash in 2004... and for that matter why did he touch Kate if she isnt one of the numbers....... ( i would guess it implies that jacob might have influenced things in other ways besides just touching them for example is possible he was responsible for the winning lottery ticket that now we know are his numbers)

#2 is obvious.... who the **** is that kid.... top answers being discussed are young ghost jacob ( thats possible to me) Aaron ( i think thats a stretch) and my theory that he was a manifestation of the island itself possibly using someone from MIB's past to convey the message about the rules and not killing sawyer


and #3 why cant MIB shift forms anymore....( per what Llana told ben) in my opinon is has to be because jacob is dead... because we saw him change into alex to trick ben only a few episodes ago and if he is indeed christian he changed into him when sun and lapidus were at the barracks.... so it cant be just because he changed into locke...

oh and i think i found a mistake in the show... remember the sonagram of claires baby dates 10-22-2004 that implied the new timeline 815 laned exactly 1 month later.... well if thats so why would randy and helen both refer to lockes wedding as being in october ( future tense) and speaking of the wedding who thinks jack will fix his back by then and he will walk at it just like jacks wife did at theirs.... and i bet boone will save the wedding catering problem ( helens phone convo) remember he runs a wedding catering service for his mom

but yeah all in all one of the best episodes of lost in a while...

the part with ben as the teacher was cool.. i think we will see some classic scenes with him and locke now off island..... and one little intereting side note point was... locke was a biology teacher..so he is literally a man of science in this world.. ( remember when richard visited locke as a teen and said he had alot or potential in science)

[shabarivas]

Originally Posted by MC

it depends on if you believe the MIB.. i thnk there are some truths in there but i think his motives are false... it seems that everyone we saw touched ( except kate) is a canidate for protector of the island. and jacob and been luring them there their whole lives.. this also explains why their lives are differnt before they changed things in 1977.. jacobs influence is compeltely removed from their lives... thats why the plane crashed thats why they were told they shouldnt have left and so on... i think the canidate thing is real because Llana is not on MIB's side and she brought it up last season.. and he said the island isnt special...well it obviously is... ya know with the whole time travel donkey wheel , healing powers and.. well a smoke monster..... but im hoping we will hear jacobs side next week... the whole revelation that MIB was a human at some point and lost someone he loved i think is true too but im not 100% that he doesnt want to kill the remaining canidates ( i guess so there would be no need for this "game" anymore maybe) and he is using sawyer.. much like he used ben.. i mean we saw him scoping out a drunk broken sawyer in smoke form before he approached him



the 3 main questions i have after this episode are..

#1if jacob has been luring all those names to the island... then why did he touch hurley and sayid AFTER the crash in 2004... and for that matter why did he touch Kate if she isnt one of the numbers....... ( i would guess it implies that jacob might have influenced things in other ways besides just touching them for example is possible he was responsible for the winning lottery ticket that now we know are his numbers)

#2 is obvious.... who the **** is that kid.... top answers being discussed are young ghost jacob ( thats possible to me) Aaron ( i think thats a stretch) and my theory that he was a manifestation of the island itself possibly using someone from MIB's past to convey the message about the rules and not killing sawyer


and #3 why cant MIB shift forms anymore....( per what Llana told ben) in my opinon is has to be because jacob is dead... because we saw him change into alex to trick ben only a few episodes ago and if he is indeed christian he changed into him when sun and lapidus were at the barracks.... so it cant be just because he changed into locke...

oh and i think i found a mistake in the show... remember the sonagram of claires baby dates 10-22-2004 that implied the new timeline 815 laned exactly 1 month later.... well if thats so why would randy and helen both refer to lockes wedding as being in october ( future tense) and speaking of the wedding who thinks jack will fix his back by then and he will walk at it just like jacks wife did at theirs.... and i bet boone will save the wedding catering problem ( helens phone convo) remember he runs a wedding catering service for his mom

but yeah all in all one of the best episodes of lost in a while...

the part with ben as the teacher was cool.. i think we will see some classic scenes with him and locke now off island..... and one little intereting side note point was... locke was a biology teacher..so he is literally a man of science in this world.. ( remember when richard visited locke as a teen and said he had alot or potential in science)

Simple...

#1 : Jacob touched kate and the others who arnt candidates simply cus they needed to also be there in order to ensure the candidates lives went the way jacob wanted it to go - in which case - did he expect to be killed ala ben?

#2 : the kid i think is not jacob but the MIB himself... kinda looked like him to me w/ the eyes etc... who knows maybe the kid is god

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So... I think... MIB is now "free" to be off the island... except he is now trapped in locke's body... you notice him saying "you cant tell me what i cant do" as Locke in the wheelchair and as the MIB...

Interesting episode... they better keep up the hype...

[MC]

yeah thats does make sense that they where drawn there almost in like a supporting role for the actual canidates....... but it appeared kates name was on the list in the ankh ( because they didnt kill her) so if you assume that list was the final canidates and jacob wanted them protected then im still confused about the lack of kates name on the wall



i think he did expect to be killed.. or atleast had a backup plan just incase... i think thats why he told hurely to get on ajira 316 because he knew hurely could communicate with him on the island... also i think he didnt fight being killed because he knew he lost the game ( or atleast this part of ) or he knew the real canidate was now on the island ( they're coming)

i hope the ending isnt too predicatable like jack is the canidate and has to sacrafice himself to take that role so everyone else can leave.....


as for the kid i hope there is a MIB flashback ( im guessing tiitus welliver was his true form?) that maybe has the kid in it

here is a compiled list i found on lostpedia of all the names on the wall so far

# /crossed off/ alive or dead
4 Yes Locke (John) Flight 815 (Dead)
8 No Reyes (Hugo) Flight 815 (Alive)
10 Yes Mattingley US Army
15 No Ford (James) Flight 815 (Alive)
16 No Jarrah (Sayid) Flight 815 (Alive)
20 Yes Rousseau (Possibly Alex Rousseau or Danielle Rousseau) French Team / Others
23 No Shephard (Jack) Flight 815 (Alive)
27? Yes …? Undetermined (Partial)
30 Yes …la Undetermined (Partial)
31 Yes Rutherford (Shannon) Flight 815 (Dead)
33 Yes Martin (Karl) Others (Dead)
34 Yes C? Undetermined (Partial)
42 No Kwon (Jin? Sun? Ji Yeon?) Flight 815 (Alive)
49 Yes …chan Undetermined (Partial)
50 Yes Troup (Gary) Flight 815 (Dead)
55 Yes Burke (Juliet) Others (Dead)
62 Yes …? Undetermined (Partial)
64 Yes Goldstein Undetermined
70 Yes Faraday[1] (Daniel) Freighter
90 Yes Troup (Gary) Flight 815 (Dead)
115 Yes Bargas Undetermined
117 Yes Linus (Roger? Ben?) DHARMA/Others
119 Yes Almeida Undetermined
134 Yes Chang (Pierre) DHARMA
140 Yes Lewis[2] (Charlotte) Freighter
171 Yes Straume (Miles) Freighter
175 Yes Costa Undetermined
195 Yes Pace (Charlie) Flight 815 (Dead)
222 Yes O’Toole Undetermined
238 Yes Jones US Army
251 Yes Yaris Undetermined
269? Yes Garner Undetermined
272 Yes Oralingo Undetermined
282 Yes Aguella Undetermined
285 Yes Jenn… Undetermined (Partial)
291 Yes Domingo Undetermined
313 Yes Littleton (Claire? Aaron?) Flight 815 (Alive)
317 Yes Cunningham US Army
321 Yes Fernandez (Nikki) Flight 815 (Dead)
335 Yes Henderson (Possibly Rose's maiden name) Undetermined
337 Yes Martin (Karl) Others
346 Yes Grant Undetermined
…? Yes Sullivan Flight 815
…? Yes Goodspeed (Horace? Olivia? Ethan?) DHARMA
…? Yes Lacombe French Team
…? Yes Reyno(lds?) Undetermined (Partial)
…? Yes …zki (Radzinsky?) (Minkowski?) Undetermined (Partial) 0.
…? Yes Pickett (Danny or Colleen) Others
…? Yes Brennan French team
…? Yes Aguila Undetermined

[shabarivas]

Woah cool... i was about to look those numbers up... nice man

[SmoothZ]

I gave up on Lost after season 2 and part of 3. It became mindless for me. I tried to get back into it in the second to last season, but.... things stopped making any sense a long time ago, and I felt like the writers were just making stuff up randomly to keep it going.

[StLRedrider]

if you ask me this season is weird as hell so far, idk.

[Reaper42]

Yea, not getting many answers, not wowed like i was last season

[MC]

i think tonight we got a few answers..... it seems MIB and christian are not one in the same we also found out the that infected/claimed are indeed the MIB's resurected minion.

also jack is probably going to be "the" canidate... also got some clarification from last week.. kate's name was missing from the cave but it was on the lighthouse wheel as #51 and wasnt marked out.... so she is a candidate.... also got to see how jacob has been watching the candidates their whole lives..

everyone was going crazy saying who is 108 ?... well if you freeze frame its wallace... and is already crossed out.... its probably not important.. i think jacob was lying to hurley about someone coming to the island... he was all to get jack to the lighthouse knowing jack would see his own # and look into the mirror this will give jack the purpose he needs to do something later in the show( im guessing sacraficing himself to save the island and his friends)


not sure what to say about his flash sideways.... i guess it gives some closure to his daddy issues by him not repeating the same ways with shocker..........his SON!

to me it seems like the flashes are just Epilogues to the story of lost.. the whole scar thing made you gasp at first because we all know juliet removed his appendix on the island... but i mean his moms not going to lie about him getting it out when he was 7 years old in this universe... but the fact that he noticed it in another deja vu way is interesting.... so far it seems only him and kate are semi aware of the other universe..( could it be something to do with them being the adam and eve skeletons and not rose and benard.... doubt its but possible i guess)

[shabarivas]

Well but those are all things (other than the lighthouse) that we already had a strong suspicion of... not as revealing as I was hoping it would be (like last week...) but this will definitely be interesting

[travisjb]

candidates for what!? I'm not buying the 'protector of the island' bit !

theories please!

[MC]

i might me over analyzing but..... in the mirrors it showed where jin and sun got married and it showed where sawyers parents funeral was... both are places where jacob touched them.. when it went by SHEPARD is showed jacks childhood home where he hadnt lived for years...... this is NOT where jacob touched him ....

does this mean anything? could this apply to christian

last time i spent a good week over analyzing the sonagram date they admited it was just a damn prop error lol


my little brother and i were just discussing this and he was like if the mirror showed a vending machine at a hosptial it might not have had the same dramatic effect on jack......

Originally Posted by shabarivas

Well but those are all things (other than the lighthouse) that we already had a strong suspicion of... not as revealing as I was hoping it would be (like last week...) but this will definitely be interesting

yeah more like confirmations than new pieces of the puzzle... looks like next week is a sayid centric episode and MIB and his crew sneak in the temple and **** it up.. wonder what will happen to sayid.. since he is now infected jacob seemed not to treat him like a candidate anymore and not worry about his well being

[Togo]

Where does Desmond fit into all this?

[MC]

good question.. last time we saw him he was in 2007 recovering from a gunshot wound with penny eloise and widmore at the hospital.... eloise told him the island isnt done with him yet...

it depends on if you think the two univereses will merge or if they are seperate and the sidways on just offers a look into their lives... if you believe they will merge it seems desmond might be traveling between the two at will as faraday said he is special and the rules dont apply to him" or he just could have well ...been on the plane... i know the actor who played him said in an interview he would be back on the island at some point... so who knows