LOST the Final season: discussion thread

[MC]

Originally Posted by Attaboy

was it a leap of faith, or a logical deduction that he was willing to risk? Jack did seem to realize Jabob had intentions for them all on a grand scale and that anything seemingly supernatural is possible. But at the same time... the way Jack acted as the fuze neared it's end seemed more like he had faith.

the writers of this show are great about leaving things so they can be interpreted many ways. it's very irritating because you cant always draw solid conclusions, but that's what keeps me coming back week after week.

i mean i think it was indeed faith but it wasnt blind faith because he had obiously seen the lighthouse so he knew jacob had been watching him.. whatever jacob is doing it seems he is pushing them to the brink to see what choice they will make... the jack and the dynamite was just like how he never told richard the whole plan or even more importantly how jacob would never let ben see him and ben ended up failing that test of faith... according to miles jacob up until the last second had hoped ben would make a different choice... so that put a new spin on everything for me.. i had always thought jacob always knew that would happen, and while it appears he obviously has a back up plan it seemed he sincerely wanted ben not to do it ( not for his own life but for bens?)

i think jacob is indeed manipulating them but i think he sees so many steps ahead of them that its for an ultimate good that in the short term it seems he is decitful but i think he is all about the end game...... where MIB seems to be upfront and truthful but he is manipulating them for his own needs.. told claire he could get aaron back told sayid he could reunite her with nadia and sawyer that he can get him off the island.. and ben that he could run the island ( which if you go back and listen to bens napoleon speech, its mirrors this, basically he would be incharge of nothing it would be no real power

[kekermahoney]

man you guys are great, I enjoy hearing all the different theories! Having a really fun/hard time trying to figure out if Jacob OR the smoke monster is the bad guy.. Hope most of my questions get answered BEFORE Widmore (sp) blows up the island with his sub LOL Then again if he is stopped or captured then the sub is a one way ticket out of Dodge!

[Matt]

Originally Posted by kekermahoney

how cool was it when Jack, the man of science, finally took a leap of faith with that dynamite!!

It was cool to finally see him believe he was there for something other than "getting off the island". He fought Locke tooth-and-nail about the island not having a purpose, and now finally sees he was wrong.

I think we'll see a difference in Jack from this point in on.

[MC]

been seeing more and more people share this theory and now i think im jumping on the band wagon aswell.. the sideways world flashes are the REAL timeline.. the past 5 seasons of lost aswell as the 6th on the island we have been watching have been an altered version of the original timeline.

in the "real" original time line Dharma comes to the island like usual and drills into the Swan area and releases electromagnetic energy that somehow sinks the island.. the world and our characters continue on with no influence of jacob or the island.....

jacob who wants to protect the island causes the altered timeline to save it, the one weve always thought was the original timeline.. 815 crashes.... all the events play out as shown. they travel back to 77 and detonate jughead which SAVES the island from sinking ( my proof is the failsafe key. dharma gets the idea for it from witnessing how the bomb contained the energy) and later causes the events which lead them to crash in the first place.... so they can well detonate jughead.... the caused themselves to crash and the island not to sink.....

if the 2 will literally converge or merge before the end of the show or is the sideways almost like a mini season 7 aftermath??? i have no clue yet... but the show has created characters like jacks son so i dont see them destroying that timeline

until proven wrong this is what im going with....

[MC]

continuing...

its almost like a paradox like the compass or even MIB looking like locke in that scene

MIB asks richard to give time traveling locke the compass in 2007 so he can give it back to richard in 1954.. MIB knows this will plant the seed in richards head that locke is special thus this is where his plan starts.. that will lead to taking lockes form and jacobs death..... but the paradox part is... MIB already has taken the form of dead locke when he asks richard to give the compass to time traveling locke... so in order for him to have taken the form of a dead locke... his plan has already had to have worked as the long drawn out manipulation of locke was complete as he had left the island died and returned...... so its a paradox or a infinite loop just like the compass itself.. the compass doesnt exist outside of the loop... it has no origin only handed from richard to locke back and forth in 07 and 54 over and over and over again

speaking of locke dying... since he was touched by jacob i guess hanging himself wouldnt have worked in the first place.... wonder if thats why ben burst into the room at that exact time....

[Attaboy]

alright MC.. i meant to post about tonights episode, but after seeing the trailer for next week's episode, that's all i can think about. we're due for a breakthrough episode

[shabarivas]

Wow ... pretty crazy episode... not too much happened but i guess ill wait for the west coast feed to air before revealing anything...

[MC]

Originally Posted by Attaboy

alright MC.. i meant to post about tonights episode, but after seeing the trailer for next week's episode, that's all i can think about. we're due for a breakthrough episode

yeah i think the hardcore lost fans are gonna tear this episode apart.. like i see where some are saying it was right there with what kate does... im not saying it was worthless because i found out about widmore and then the mommy issues thing... like WTF?

those are the only real 2 points i think are worth discussing.. and spending some time on.... everything else was shirtless filler.. and it was mean to make us think juliet when it wasnt... im not saying its wasnt good.. it fits in the context of the story they are telling ... like for instance if you had season 6 on DVD then you could have watched it and moved on... it just sucks with so little time left you have to wait 7 days then get a episode that is so so ..... but then there is next week which should provide many many answers so im just getting ready for that instead of dwelling on the mediocre "recon" but lost did this to us last year after the kickass Dead is Dead they showed some like it hoth....

once it airs on west coast i do want to hear what everyone thinks about the revelation of what "team" widmore might be on and of course MIB's little speech to kate and who is in the locked room...

[MC]

here is a teaser for next week's "Ab Aeterno" from eonline.. they said that jacob tells ricard what the island is and its described as a four letter word....hmmm

oh and this just got announced!

August 24th LOST the complete collection 38 discs on DVD 36 on Blu Ray

279.99 on bluray but on amazon its available for preorder for $195

[kekermahoney]

I like a ton of TV shows, but this is the only one i'd sit and watch ALL over again.. Despite knowing how it ends, it'll be a blast putting all the pieces together.. also ZERO commercials, which would mean I could watch all episodes in about 7 hours LOL

[Reaper42]

Wow im surprised all of you didnt really like tonights episode. I thought it was Awesome! Seeing how sawyer is actually a cop in the alternate reality was a BIG surprise, i mean i had a big hunch that he was gunna be a good guy instead of a con man, but never a cop going after con men himself! And that Miles is his partner (do you think Miles can still sense the dead?) Its just like sawyer and miles back when they were running security in the 70's for dharma. That made a BIG thing with charlies brother, usually they only hint very vaguely and other characters (like lockes wife talking to boon's catering company on the phone) but this was pretty prominent. Charlie and Desmond are both the two biggest episodes im waiting for. But honestly I there was a lot more i wanted to see with this sawyer story, and i wish this episode was a bit longer.

Btw lost has always had episodes centered on specific characters, but here and there with a majority of the episodes dealing with the group or a big event as a whole. But this season, its like each episode is like, oh next week is gunna be the "ben episode", oh next week is gunna be the "sawyer episode". I think its kinda weird imho

[MC]

i actually guessed he was a detective ( well cop of some kind maybe) before the show aired... i saw one of the sneak peaks on ABC.com of him and the girl (from prison break) at the first and i was like man that looks like a sting... then i thought about him being sincere about warning hurley not to talk about how much money he had on the plane... and then i thought if jacob didnt push him to finish the letter then he might not have made the choices he did... so yeah i sorta saw that coming... didnt think about the miles and dharma security connection..until miles came busting in the room.... that makes it more obvious now looking back....

yeah speaking of the wedding and this episode....i think that sawyer will find out that an anthony cooper will be in town for lockes wedding and show up there to find out if he is "sawyer" i think we are going to get alot of paths crossing at lockes wedding.. still pissed it wasnt juliet and was charlotte i was waiting for her to show up and talk about going dutch on coffee ( you know her dying words during LA X... that would really change what our percption of the sideways world is.....





ok now that its aired on the west coast... here we go

uhh MIB had a crazy mother and has growing pains due to it?...WHAAAT... like she messed his mind up or something? i mean this just opens up the doors to crazy speculation... i always assumed jacob made him the smoke monster but now the crazy mother... who knows.. did jacob draw his (canidate) mother to the island and he was born there to a crazy mother and he blames jacob for it? this is what im initially going with......




or whenever time he is from he had a crazy mother that cursed him? is this on the island or was it from his home? is this the backstory from another time they are hinting at for episode 15? his mother might be like an egyptian queen


ok on to widmore.... i said last week immediately after the episode i thought he was coming to take MIB off the island in exchange for getting the island back ( same deal that ben was offered) but then sunday night i watched the jeremy bentham episode and the scene with widmore and locke got me rethinking everything. he told locke he had peacefully protected the island for years until ben banished him and he would help locke get his friends back ( did he know they were canidates?) and make sure he stays alive because there was a war coming and if locke didnt return to the island the WRONG side would win....

at first i thought that meant he would get locke body back to the island so MIB could take its form and carry out the plan to kill jacob.... but now i see it differently

i mean widmore had the sonic fences so i believe he is there to stop MIB.. now if he is actually working for jacob im not sure yet... because if you remember when bram tried to recruit miles he said miles was working for the wrong side (widmores) and bram was definately on team jacob

so is widmore on his own side and using jacobs death as a time to seize back control of the island.... but then again jacob did say someone is coming to the island... but that was 108 wallace not widmore...


and finally im guessing desmond and maybe penny? are locked in that sub room? wouldnt be suprised if eloise was on the sub too

thoughts?

[MC]

ok i just rewatched a few important parts on hulu and something seems a strange the 2nd time through... is the audience being conned?

first of all the ajira plane has the front windows busted out and is that thing even capable of flying again ? 2nd .... sawyer is the one who volunteered the notion that widmore was there to kill or do harm to MIB widmore never confirmed it...he just smiled when sawyer was talking.... then sawyer goes back to the main island and MIB admits he didnt send sawyer over there to do recon on the passengers... so what did he send him over there for?

here is a out of left field theory

is it possible its a con and MIB and widmore really are working together? it might make sense except for the sonic fence being set up... that would seem to prove he and MIB arnt on the same side... but how about if its something crazy like a permanent body for MIB is locked in that room not a cast member like desmond..... maybe the smoke monster form is a curse MIB can be seperated from it ( maybe that explains the disembodied person in the rocking chair in the cabin.. and the sonic fence is maybe to keep the smoke monster away once seperated...

unlikley i know but rewatching it , it just doesnt make sense.. i dont believe MIB ever intends to use Ajira 316 he sent sawyer over there because he knew widmore was there.... also the part where claire cried and made up with kate seemed contrived..maybe he told her to "play nice" to kate after he pimp smacked her then whispered something in her ear.. she is claimed you know...


maybe im just trying to make more out of the episode than what it really was.. but the episode was called recon.. and if you go back and watch it ... i dont think things are as they seem.. i doubt the sonic fence theory is true but im do think MIB is one step ahead of sawyer

[Matt]

A few quick comments:

1.) Miles's ability to speak to the dead seemingly came after he and his mother left the island (in preparation for the explosion?). It's possible that, in the flash sideways, he never received that "gift" (like Locke's walking or Richard's immortality). That would make him one hell of a detective though!

2.) Why did it seem that Charlotte was looking for something? She didn't seem to simply be snooping around. She seemed intent on finding something specific. Do you think Cooper hired her? Maybe Miles is setting something up?

3.) I agree with MC on the possibility of MIB and Widmore working together. His smirk when Sawyer said he's walk MIB right into Widmore's trap told a story. The reason Widmore is there is still unknown, but I seriously doubt his plan is to kill MIB. His arrival after Jacob died is too coicidental.

4.) Next week's episode may rival "The Constant" as my favorite episode so far!

[MC]

1) yeah i doubt he has his powers but i remember seeing that his last name was on the cave wall lst.. so i bet jacob was why he could hear the deads last thoughts.. so if the sideways is a world without jacobs interference then yeah no powers..

2) well her and miles i guess were friends as kids on the island and they stayed friends after they left or were evacuated... also he mentioned his dad so it looks like he got off the island too before it sank.. in the original timeline she wanted to find the island again, but i didnt get that impression i dunno i think her story is over she was just a blind date in my opinon and her curiosity was a plot device to show how sawyer is still chasing anthony cooper

3) one more thing to add to my theory that supports this.. MIB told ben to meet them at the hydra when he offered ben the island... well he must have known widmore was there... he was leading ben right to a slaughter.. i mean in the shows time it cant be but a few weeks at the most after ben tried to kill penny... so i think by ben choosing to stay he might have prolonged his life...



4) i know for a fact next weeks richard episode is jaw dropping.. last night i was looking at something online and a link said official ABC Promo pics for lost episode 9... well i clicked it expecting to see pics of them sitting around the camp fire or something but... no those pics were crazy one even featured a certain someone... i mean i didnt spoil myself its just a visual confirmation of what i already know the episode will be about... still i would say dont look at them if you want to maximum shock value.