The New “What did you do with your Z today” (with off topic replies)

FL 4Motion · 09-25-2023, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by vtec to vvel

If they are spending billions of dollars of taxpayers money, they need to figure this out quick and get their sh!t together. Also, with advanced technology and knowledge/experience, this should be a breeze for them on what does/doesn't work.

I'm going with the latter on this.

If if we were "late" on noticing the foreign object in our airspace, it should NOT have it made more than halfway across the country for them to take notice, let alone take it down.

I never put a monetary figure on this, as I was not aware. My issue with this, though, is that they are using mine and every American taxpayer dollars and basically experimenting with it

Again, they need to get their sh!t together or

Transparency and the truth can go a very long way. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but I know bullsh!t when I see/read/hear it. There is much more than what meets the eye.

Here’s how govt bidding/contracting works in a nutshell:

The pentagon decides it needs a new multipurpose 5th gen fighter/bomber/CAS airframe that can be utilized by both navy and af as well as be sold/integrated into our NATO Allies militaries (they get dumbed down electronics bc national security secrets).

The thinking behind the F35 was let’s get one airframe that is a jack of all trades that will replace both the F16 (af) and F18 (navy). In theory, this is cheaper than developing 2 new platforms.

Military (and this is true of all agency contracting) then publishes a list of performance metrics that need to be met and they open up the bidding process. Govt always goes with the lowest bidder in theory bc it’s a responsible use of taxpayer funds. The reality of this is that all the bidding contractors come in with artificially low bids bc if they don’t, they won’t be competitive. Once a contractor wins the contract, in this case to build the f35, they move forward to the point where it’s too expensive/painful for the govt to cancel and rebid it out and then say we need more $$ in order to keep going/finish. This is on top of all the extra expenses that will inevitably happen that honestly can’t be foreseen on a massive project like this.

The govt has no choice but to fork over more $$ to get the project across the finish line bc they’ve already invested too much time and money. Congress holds hearings, the “so called fiscal responsible” members get to look good to the public by berating the pentagon brass and corporate CEO’s and then the project keeps moving forward. The representatives from the state and districts where the company hired 1000s of workers and has influxes massive spending come to the defense of the company bc they need to say they got jobs and $$ for their district with this contract so they can get re-elected.

In the case of the f35, it gets finally green lighted for full combat missions even though it’s still flawed, basically a glorified beta release in software terms and it keeps getting tweaks as we go along to update the flaws.

It’s a shitty system but there’s no guarantee that if the govt went with a more expensive bid the outcome would be any different. Kinda like democracy and capitalism, they’re highly flawed and imperfect but they’re the least bad option we could have (fascism and socialism are much worse).

Msdaisy complained about the cost of the missiles used to shoot down the balloon. I just lumped my response in one post but didn’t differentiate the addressee oops.

As far as transparency goes, in almost everything except national security, I agree 100%. The more open and transparent, the better the accountability to the people as it should be.

But we can’t publicly divulge all our national security programs and operations otherwise we will lose our advantage to our enemies.

Unfortunately, too many times the govt will hid behind “national security” as an excuse to duck accountability and that’s bad obviously. But in 5he case of the Chinese spy balloon, that actually is a clandestine national security issue. I guarantee we learned a lot about Chinese spying tech and tactics etc from counter surveillance and subsequent recovery of the balloon. And none of us should know anything about that bc it’s rightfully classified.

eastwest2300 · 09-25-2023, 11:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FL 4Motion

Here’s how govt bidding/contracting works in a nutshell:

The pentagon decides it needs a new multipurpose 5th gen fighter/bomber/CAS airframe that can be utilized by both navy and af as well as be sold/integrated into our NATO Allies militaries (they get dumbed down electronics bc national security secrets).

The thinking behind the F35 was let’s get one airframe that is a jack of all trades that will replace both the F16 (af) and F18 (navy). In theory, this is cheaper than developing 2 new platforms.

Military (and this is true of all agency contracting) then publishes a list of performance metrics that need to be met and they open up the bidding process. Govt always goes with the lowest bidder in theory bc it’s a responsible use of taxpayer funds. The reality of this is that all the bidding contractors come in with artificially low bids bc if they don’t, they won’t be competitive. Once a contractor wins the contract, in this case to build the f35, they move forward to the point where it’s too expensive/painful for the govt to cancel and rebid it out and then say we need more $$ in order to keep going/finish. This is on top of all the extra expenses that will inevitably happen that honestly can’t be foreseen on a massive project like this.

The govt has no choice but to fork over more $$ to get the project across the finish line bc they’ve already invested too much time and money. Congress holds hearings, the “so called fiscal responsible” members get to look good to the public by berating the pentagon brass and corporate CEO’s and then the project keeps moving forward. The representatives from the state and districts where the company hired 1000s of workers and has influxes massive spending come to the defense of the company bc they need to say they got jobs and $$ for their district with this contract so they can get re-elected.

In the case of the f35, it gets finally green lighted for full combat missions even though it’s still flawed, basically a glorified beta release in software terms and it keeps getting tweaks as we go along to update the flaws.

It’s a shitty system but there’s no guarantee that if the govt went with a more expensive bid the outcome would be any different. Kinda like democracy and capitalism, they’re highly flawed and imperfect but they’re the least bad option we could have (fascism and socialism are much worse).

Msdaisy complained about the cost of the missiles used to shoot down the balloon. I just lumped my response in one post but didn’t differentiate the addressee oops.

As far as transparency goes, in almost everything except national security, I agree 100%. The more open and transparent, the better the accountability to the people as it should be.

But we can’t publicly divulge all our national security programs and operations otherwise we will lose our advantage to our enemies.

Unfortunately, too many times the govt will hid behind “national security” as an excuse to duck accountability and that’s bad obviously. But in 5he case of the Chinese spy balloon, that actually is a clandestine national security issue. I guarantee we learned a lot about Chinese spying tech and tactics etc from counter surveillance and subsequent recovery of the balloon. And none of us should know anything about that bc it’s rightfully classified.

you sir, you are well informed.

Rusty · 09-26-2023, 04:49 AM

eastwest2300 · 09-26-2023, 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Rusty

have a good day rusty

danegrey · 09-26-2023, 10:44 AM

Hi all,
time runs fast and at times gets away from me....
"Napping is my passion."
what can I say
have fun, enjoy the moment, for you never know

eastwest2300 · 09-26-2023, 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by danegrey

Hi all,
time runs fast and at times gets away from me....
"Napping is my passion."
what can I say
have fun, enjoy the moment, for you never know

glad to see you on here again, I hope you're well.

danegrey · 09-26-2023, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by eastwest2300

glad to see you on here again, I hope you're well.

Yes, well, just need a little down time from all the travels and running around..
Getting ready for the next batch of travel and running around

eastwest2300 · 09-26-2023, 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by danegrey

Yes, well, just need a little down time from all the travels and running around..
Getting ready for the next batch of travel and running around

living life to the fullest i see... enjoy

JNews86 · 09-26-2023, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by MZ DAIZY

https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyl...s-tiktok-video

So wait... McDonalds doesn't have gourmet chefs cooking to order using fresh ingredients?

Wow... who knew!! I'll never eat there again!

These losers on tiktok will post anything for attention. The McDonalds thing has been known for ages now.

Rusty · 09-26-2023, 08:47 PM

Rusty · 09-26-2023, 08:51 PM

Reps have been mailed.

Rusty · 09-27-2023, 04:50 AM

eastwest2300 · 09-27-2023, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Rusty

good morning...

eastwest2300 · 09-27-2023, 07:28 AM

danegrey · 09-27-2023, 08:16 AM

Happy Hump day
work week half over
enjoy the moment
'Manifest my A$$'

09-26-2023, 04:49 AM	#1923 (permalink)
Rusty Ronin Samurai - Assassin Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Fayettenam,Pennsyltucky Age: 68 Posts: 35,180 Drives: 2011 Nismo GM 6M Rep Power: 2684437	FL 4Motion, God-Speed, sx moneypit and 2 others like this. __________________ 浪人 - 殺し屋 "The Difficult Anytime, The Impossible By Appointment Only" http://www.the370z.com/members-370z-...o-journal.html

09-26-2023, 10:44 AM	#1925 (permalink)
danegrey A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Knoxville Age: 71 Posts: 3,190 Drives: 12 370Z BK Cherry M6 Rep Power: 649540	Hi all, time runs fast and at times gets away from me.... *"Napping is my passion."* what can I say have fun, enjoy the moment, for you never know FL 4Motion, eastwest2300, Rusty and 1 others like this. __________________ Lots of Changes the Z needs to be driven and driven hard for the car lives for it

09-26-2023, 08:47 PM	#1930 (permalink)
Rusty Ronin Samurai - Assassin Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Fayettenam,Pennsyltucky Age: 68 Posts: 35,180 Drives: 2011 Nismo GM 6M Rep Power: 2684437	FL 4Motion and eastwest2300 like this. __________________ 浪人 - 殺し屋 "The Difficult Anytime, The Impossible By Appointment Only" http://www.the370z.com/members-370z-...o-journal.html

09-26-2023, 08:51 PM	#1931 (permalink)
Rusty Ronin Samurai - Assassin Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Fayettenam,Pennsyltucky Age: 68 Posts: 35,180 Drives: 2011 Nismo GM 6M Rep Power: 2684437	Reps have been mailed. FL 4Motion and eastwest2300 like this. __________________ 浪人 - 殺し屋 "The Difficult Anytime, The Impossible By Appointment Only" http://www.the370z.com/members-370z-...o-journal.html

09-27-2023, 04:50 AM	#1932 (permalink)
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09-27-2023, 07:28 AM	#1934 (permalink)
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09-27-2023, 08:16 AM	#1935 (permalink)
danegrey A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Knoxville Age: 71 Posts: 3,190 Drives: 12 370Z BK Cherry M6 Rep Power: 649540	Happy Hump day work week half over enjoy the moment *'Manifest my A$$'* eastwest2300, Rusty and sx moneypit like this. __________________ Lots of Changes the Z needs to be driven and driven hard for the car lives for it

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