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If I remember correctly, these vaccines were free, no?

With the amount of clots/heart attacks/strokes, it seems like additional unnecessary deaths occurred with the vaccines.

I'm sure there will be other pandemics coming, and I know I will not buy into those vaccines then, regardless of the consequences.
Yes, they were”free” bc the govt bought and paid phizer et al for all of them and then the govt acted as the distributor for them instead of the pharmaceutical industry.

Yes, for sure some unnecessary deaths have occurred.

There’ll definitely be more pandemics, as global temps rise, more and more diseases that were confined to tropical areas will freely spread in once temperate zones (USA). And we can expect more viral etc mutations. To wit, there’s apparently so crazy dangerous fungal infection spreading esp in hospitals and among immune compromised people that has mutated bc it used to not survive above 98 deg but now it can and that means it survives inside the human body now, it’s also immune to most if not all known anti fungals.

The real tragedy here is a lot of folks feel the way you do about vaccines/emergency public health measures bc of the Covid vaccine and pandemic response shitshow. The danger is Covid was really just a tabletop exercise in reality for what we need/should do in the event of a real pandemic which is inevitably coming. When damn the side effects give me shot bc 90% of folks are dying type pandemic hits, and we have amazing medical technology to quickly save us, but too many folks feel the way you do, there’s gonna be a lot of unnecessary suffering death and damage to our economy/society.

It’s the story of the boy who cried wolf unfortunately.
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I think we fundamentally have a different view of what a lower level employee is “worth” to a business, I think part of that is generational.

I heard her speech differently in that I took away that she was saying don’t worry about bonuses until after we hit our numbers which to me means once their target is reached, then we talk carrots.

To be fair, I wasn’t sitting there rewinding and analyzing her speech and picking it apart either, so I may have inferred something she didn’t say.
Fair enough.

At my brokerage office, I am the team lead and have 4 other loan officers underneath me, and there are about 7 other teams at my branch. I see the way the other team leads treat their subordinates, and a common theme seems to be treating them with respect has higher loan production/volume numbers. At the same token, I do coach them privately if needed. As a team lead, we get a % of all the loans that are closed within the team, but there was a time when 1 particular loan officer just had a horrible month. I refused the rip % and gave him encouragement and saying let's do better next month. That was about a year ago and each month since, he's been carrying the entire team. 1 particular team lead is basically absent when needed and/or belittles his team if something goes wrong - guess where their numbers are at?

And likewise, I only saw the 30-second click that was posted and was going off of that footage.
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Yes, they were”free” bc the govt bought and paid phizer et al for all of them and then the govt acted as the distributor for them instead of the pharmaceutical industry.

Yes, for sure some unnecessary deaths have occurred.

There’ll definitely be more pandemics, as global temps rise, more and more diseases that were confined to tropical areas will freely spread in once temperate zones (USA). And we can expect more viral etc mutations. To wit, there’s apparently so crazy dangerous fungal infection spreading esp in hospitals and among immune compromised people that has mutated bc it used to not survive above 98 deg but now it can and that means it survives inside the human body now, it’s also immune to most if not all known anti fungals.

The real tragedy here is a lot of folks feel the way you do about vaccines/emergency public health measures bc of the Covid vaccine and pandemic response shitshow. The danger is Covid was really just a tabletop exercise in reality for what we need/should do in the event of a real pandemic which is inevitably coming. When damn the side effects give me shot bc 90% of folks are dying type pandemic hits, and we have amazing medical technology to quickly save us, but too many folks feel the way you do, there’s gonna be a lot of unnecessary suffering death and damage to our economy/society.

It’s the story of the boy who cried wolf unfortunately.
I used to believe in global warming. Not so much anymore.

And "amazing medical technology". We can send a man to the moon (did we really though?), but we can't find a cure for cancer/AIDS.
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Fair enough.

At my brokerage office, I am the team lead and have 4 other loan officers underneath me, and there are about 7 other teams at my branch. I see the way the other team leads treat their subordinates, and a common theme seems to be treating them with respect has higher loan production/volume numbers. At the same token, I do coach them privately if needed. As a team lead, we get a % of all the loans that are closed within the team, but there was a time when 1 particular loan officer just had a horrible month. I refused the rip % and gave him encouragement and saying let's do better next month. That was about a year ago and each month since, he's been carrying the entire team. 1 particular team lead is basically absent when needed and/or belittles his team if something goes wrong - guess where their numbers are at?

And likewise, I only saw the 30-second click that was posted and was going off of that footage.
Ahh, remember she’s talking about peons who physically build furniture if I’m not mistaken. Your job/example is of higher skilled higher educated higher responsibilities middle management type jobs.

Here we’re in agreement, I totally am with you and your response to the one employee struggling example. That was the right way to handle it and it’s exactly how I’d have done it.

Also, assuming she is berating middle management, she’s still not wrong bc we’re not talking about one guy falling down and needing a bit of an attaboy pick me up/mentoring.

We’re talking about the entire management team bitching about carrots when the $$ targets aren’t being hit. You have to know when to lay the smack down on your people to snap them out of their pity party so they refocus. She’s right either way imo.
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Ahh, remember she’s talking about peons who physically build furniture if I’m not mistaken. Your job/example is of higher skilled higher educated higher responsibilities middle management type jobs.

Here we’re in agreement, I totally am with you and your response to the one employee struggling example. That was the right way to handle it and it’s exactly how I’d have done it.

Also, assuming she is berating middle management, she’s still not wrong bc we’re not talking about one guy falling down and needing a bit of an attaboy pick me up/mentoring.

We’re talking about the entire management team bitching about carrots when the $$ targets aren’t being hit. You have to know when to lay the smack down on your people to snap them out of their pity party so they refocus. She’s right either way imo.
I'm not entirely sure who she was addressing, but I figured it was everyone, including the sales force and builders. The builders can put together the goal with no problem, but they also need to sell that inventory, so I would come to the conclusion she was speaking to everyone below her.

Between my job and theirs, at the end of the day, sales is sales. I have clients that have left me/my team for other lenders.

I agree with you on knowing when to put the hammer down. If they were moaning/groaning for lack of bonuses due to lack of performance, then hell no on bonuses. But if they were trending to hit their goals and there were whispers about no bonuses, I myself would have delivered that message a different way.

I really appreciate having these discussions on differing opinions/views. Makes it interesting and not so one-sided.
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I used to believe in global warming. Not so much anymore.

And "amazing medical technology". We can send a man to the moon (did we really though?), but we can't find a cure for cancer/AIDS.
Assuming your being serious and not kidding. Sometimes hard to infer from text vs in person talking…

This /\ is the real tragedy of the “post truth” world we live in now. Common binding ideas, facts, beliefs have been replaced with believe whatever crazy bullsh1t I want and I can go on the web and find other people to support me and agree and read compelling if still wrong rationalizations to make me feel better about myself. And many people have made a lot of money and careers feeding the conspiracy theory post truth alternative facts ecosystem.

Some examples of this is the rise in climate change denialism and the gender fluid/trans movement. Let’s break it down a bit for both examples bc they’re symptomatic of the same problem.

Climate change deniers: in the 70s the leading nasa and noaa and climate scientists were warning of a coming cool down or new ice age. This was bc at that time, the best scientific understanding was as we keep adding particulate pollution into the atmosphere we’re gonna reduce sunlight which would have a cooling effect. That’s valid and actually still true.

Then with better emissions regulations and cleaning up pier plants etc, less particulate pollution is going up into the sky. Additionally, we now know the co2 and methane emissions don’t block the incoming sunlight but they do trap heat inside the atmosphere thereby creating, you guessed it, a warming effect, hence the term global warming.

It’s referred to as climate change bc as global temp rise, this isn’t uniformly distributed across the world. Also, if the northern tier gets on average a few degrees warmer, then instead of bitter cold and less snow, you get still bitter cold but just warm and wet enough for. Shitton more snow. In other words, some areas get hotter and dryer, some areas become more prone to flooding and rain events and snow. The southeast is getting hotter and a bit drier, the northeast is getting a bit hotter and wetter which means more snow in winter, same with northern tier. The southwest is getting hotter and drier.

Remember you take averages so just cause we’re warming doesn’t mean no more cold snaps etc.

The rising temps also mean global weather patterns and winds are shifting and changing. This can lead to more unpredictable severe weather like tornadoes, flash floods etc. for Florida, we really see the effects of climate change acutely. Compared to 15-20 years ago we are averaging 5-10 degrees above normal in dry season, and 3-5 degrees warmer in wet season. Doesn’t sound like much but it’s miserable. Hurricanes are now dumping more water for longer when they hit bc the oceans are warmer and that is hurricane fuel.

Scientists use among other tools arctic and Antarctic ice cores that can show us temps and carbon in our atmosphere going back hundreds of millions of years. Since the 1800s and the industrial revolution, carbon emissions and global temp have risen faster than any time in history except the early dinosaur period, (cretatious iiirc). Back then it was bc of massive numbers of volcanoes causing what we are doing bc of emissions.

We act like immature children that don’t want to take responsibility for our actions. I’m a free market capitalist, the industrial revolution and fossil fuels are the greatest achievement of mankind and we built our amazing society on the back of fossil fuel but it’s time to acknowledge that everything has consequences and it’s time to revolutionize our society and move to cleaner energy.
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Ok, now onto the transgender gender identity example of post truth world bs.

Scientifically, there are only two biological sexes, and society expresses biological male and female as men and women. Gender is the social expression of biological sex. Men have penises and women have vaginas. More specifically, males produce sperm and females produce eggs which are fertilized by said sperm. (Hard to believe I’m rehashing basic sex Ed but here we are)

All animals on this planet that are even somewhat advanced are like this. There are worms that can change from male to female and vice versa and basic organisms reproduce differently like bacteria and virus but since humans can’t go from producing sperm to producing eggs, we don’t fall in this category.

If someone is gay, there is a wiring issue going on in their brain, this happens to other species in nature as well but it’s not “normal” bc if it was, we wouldn’t be here.

If someone is transgender, that is a psychiatric disorder known as gender dysphoria. It might be caused by incorrect hormone bath of the fetus in the womb, maybe, brain wiring, maybe sexual or psychological abuse or maybe some combo of the above.

As a quick aside, I personally believe that the increased toxins in our environment over the last 100 years, many of which are estrogen receptor positive and mimic estrogen in the body is related to the rise in trans and perhaps gay people. Our males testosterone levels are 50% of what our grandfather and great grandfathers were on average. Women hit puberty on average 2years sooner than they did 50 years ago and boys are less masculine than in the past. Our plastics and **** chemicals in our food and water are contributing to lower fertility and possibly increased transgender population. Again, just my opinion but I believe m right on this.

So VtV, keep on eating those McYoked post workout meals filled with chemicals out the wazoo, I’ll be sure to pick up a sexy mini skirt for ya when you’re ready.

Ok, back to serious discussion…

Current gender theory says gender is fluid and transgender is normal. Scientifically and biologically, it’s not, male is male and female is female based on the biological criteria I listed above.

NOW, and I want to be crystal clear on this point:

NO ONE should be discriminated against bc of sexual orientation or gender identity and the right to life liberty and the persuit of happiness should apply equally fairly and justly to ALL Americans and human rights to all people around the world.

BUT, we can’t ignore scientific facts either, as a moderate libertarian, I believe strongly there is a happy medium here and it’s as follows:

1. Pronouns. Let’s use common sense but also respect. If you are transgender, prior to transitioning, your pronouns should match your biological sex. Once you’ve transitioned to the point your presenting as the opposite gender, then out of respect, we should address that person by the pronouns of their gender identity. Ie, a trans woman who presents as a woman is she/her.

1a. They/them are plural pronouns and are bullsh1t to refer to an individual as. Gender fluid folks are also psychologically disturbed and can’t commit to a side. Which is fine, but then the appropriate pronouns are the ones that match your biological sex.

2. Bathrooms. Again, common sense and respect. A trans woman pre transition uses the mens bathroom, a trans woman after a certain point in transitioning or post transition uses the womens bathroom. Womens bathroom are all private/semi private stallls, there’s no issue here. Don’t confuse transgender and sexual predator. They are NOT related.

3. Locker rooms. Trans people should have a separate private locker room bc it could be uncomfortable and unfair to women to see a biological male naked in their shower or changing areas.

4. Sports. Again common sense. Men vs men and women vs women. Trans people can compete in gender open leagues where men and women are already on the same team or they can create and compete in trans specific leagues.

Remember, transgender is a medical mental condition. It would be like a guy in a wheelchair demanding he play basketball on the regular basketball team, it makes no sense and we shouldn’t change the world for that one guy. However, creating a wheelchair basketball league is a great positive answer.

We wouldn’t eliminate stairs into a building so as not to offend cripples and force everyone to use ramps, BUT adding wheelchair ramps to a building is the right way to respect and provide opportunities for disabled folks while not negatively impacting everyone else.

For too long conservatives marginalized and defamed and discriminated against gay and especially trans peoples. There has been an over correcting in some aspects of society for sure, but demonizing people and associating them with pedophiles and sex predators is just wrong. Again, we need to address this just like climate change from a common sense scientific facts based approach without emotional malice towards others even if they make you uncomfortable.
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Ok, now onto the transgender gender identity example of post truth world bs.

Scientifically, there are only two biological sexes, and society expresses biological male and female as men and women. Gender is the social expression of biological sex. Men have penises and women have vaginas. More specifically, males produce sperm and females produce eggs which are fertilized by said sperm. (Hard to believe I’m rehashing basic sex Ed but here we are)

All animals on this planet that are even somewhat advanced are like this. There are worms that can change from male to female and vice versa and basic organisms reproduce differently like bacteria and virus but since humans can’t go from producing sperm to producing eggs, we don’t fall in this category.

If someone is gay, there is a wiring issue going on in their brain, this happens to other species in nature as well but it’s not “normal” bc if it was, we wouldn’t be here.

If someone is transgender, that is a psychiatric disorder known as gender dysphoria. It might be caused by incorrect hormone bath of the fetus in the womb, maybe, brain wiring, maybe sexual or psychological abuse or maybe some combo of the above.

As a quick aside, I personally believe that the increased toxins in our environment over the last 100 years, many of which are estrogen receptor positive and mimic estrogen in the body is related to the rise in trans and perhaps gay people. Our males testosterone levels are 50% of what our grandfather and great grandfathers were on average. Women hit puberty on average 2years sooner than they did 50 years ago and boys are less masculine than in the past. Our plastics and **** chemicals in our food and water are contributing to lower fertility and possibly increased transgender population. Again, just my opinion but I believe m right on this.

So VtV, keep on eating those McYoked post workout meals filled with chemicals out the wazoo, I’ll be sure to pick up a sexy mini skirt for ya when you’re ready.

Ok, back to serious discussion…

Current gender theory says gender is fluid and transgender is normal. Scientifically and biologically, it’s not, male is male and female is female based on the biological criteria I listed above.

NOW, and I want to be crystal clear on this point:

NO ONE should be discriminated against bc of sexual orientation or gender identity and the right to life liberty and the persuit of happiness should apply equally fairly and justly to ALL Americans and human rights to all people around the world.

BUT, we can’t ignore scientific facts either, as a moderate libertarian, I believe strongly there is a happy medium here and it’s as follows:

1. Pronouns. Let’s use common sense but also respect. If you are transgender, prior to transitioning, your pronouns should match your biological sex. Once you’ve transitioned to the point your presenting as the opposite gender, then out of respect, we should address that person by the pronouns of their gender identity. Ie, a trans woman who presents as a woman is she/her.

1a. They/them are plural pronouns and are bullsh1t to refer to an individual as. Gender fluid folks are also psychologically disturbed and can’t commit to a side. Which is fine, but then the appropriate pronouns are the ones that match your biological sex.

2. Bathrooms. Again, common sense and respect. A trans woman pre transition uses the mens bathroom, a trans woman after a certain point in transitioning or post transition uses the womens bathroom. Womens bathroom are all private/semi private stallls, there’s no issue here. Don’t confuse transgender and sexual predator. They are NOT related.

3. Locker rooms. Trans people should have a separate private locker room bc it could be uncomfortable and unfair to women to see a biological male naked in their shower or changing areas.

4. Sports. Again common sense. Men vs men and women vs women. Trans people can compete in gender open leagues where men and women are already on the same team or they can create and compete in trans specific leagues.

Remember, transgender is a medical mental condition. It would be like a guy in a wheelchair demanding he play basketball on the regular basketball team, it makes no sense and we shouldn’t change the world for that one guy. However, creating a wheelchair basketball league is a great positive answer.

We wouldn’t eliminate stairs into a building so as not to offend cripples and force everyone to use ramps, BUT adding wheelchair ramps to a building is the right way to respect and provide opportunities for disabled folks while not negatively impacting everyone else.

For too long conservatives marginalized and defamed and discriminated against gay and especially trans peoples. There has been an over correcting in some aspects of society for sure, but demonizing people and associating them with pedophiles and sex predators is just wrong. Again, we need to address this just like climate change from a common sense scientific facts based approach without emotional malice towards others even if they make you uncomfortable.
You bring very valid points to the table, crazy but in today's society, many would interpret these facts as hate speech of sort.
Biology doesn't care about your emotions or prejudice or anything else. There's X and Y chromosomes. There are diseases. There is evolution, i.e. survival of the fittest. Not strongest, not best, not smartest, but *fittest*. That is to say - if a meteor hits the planet, you want to be a shrew that can hide and survive of crumbs, you don't want to be a huge dinosaur.
So if you (unfortunately) feel like a woman, but you have Y chromosome, as well as a penis, testicles, a prostate which can get cancer, etc. - then yeah, you're not a woman. We can try to fix you up, but you'll never menstruate, you'll never have a baby inside you and you will probably not get ostheoporosis but prostate cancer.

If you're gay, I respect you, even feel sorry that it's unlikely that you'll pass your genes to the next generation as unfortunately you need opposite sexes to reproduce, at least if you're of homo sapiens species.

I'd add this part. If we have laws to prohibit kids from drinking, driving, bearing arms, getting tattoos, and similar life altering stuff, etc until they're 18 (excluding usa here), all because we deem them immature and not old enough....then MAYBE it also doesn't make sense to allow them to use hormone therapy or similar as teenagers, just because it's currently popular to be one of 143 genders. Maybe, just maybe, we shouldn't let these kids make these crazy decisions, but let them grow up and inform them of implications and consequences.

And yeah. Please stop with the transphobic ********. Nobody is afraid of trans people nor does anyone have a phobia of them. I like my women without a penis, and if someone's trans, I'll gladly point them to a reliable therapist to help them sort out the chemistry in their brain, instead of taking a knife to the crotch thinking they'll magically cheat nature.
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On transgendered kids. It's ok for kids to get the surgery without parents approval in some states. But they have to be 21 to buy cigarettes. 18 for the military. 18 to buy a long gun, 21 for a pistol. 21 to vote. So why allow them to get the surgery that will change them for life.
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Ok, now onto the transgender gender identity example of post truth world bs.

Scientifically, there are only two biological sexes, and society expresses biological male and female as men and women. Gender is the social expression of biological sex. Men have penises and women have vaginas. More specifically, males produce sperm and females produce eggs which are fertilized by said sperm. (Hard to believe I’m rehashing basic sex Ed but here we are)

All animals on this planet that are even somewhat advanced are like this. There are worms that can change from male to female and vice versa and basic organisms reproduce differently like bacteria and virus but since humans can’t go from producing sperm to producing eggs, we don’t fall in this category.

If someone is gay, there is a wiring issue going on in their brain, this happens to other species in nature as well but it’s not “normal” bc if it was, we wouldn’t be here.

If someone is transgender, that is a psychiatric disorder known as gender dysphoria. It might be caused by incorrect hormone bath of the fetus in the womb, maybe, brain wiring, maybe sexual or psychological abuse or maybe some combo of the above.

As a quick aside, I personally believe that the increased toxins in our environment over the last 100 years, many of which are estrogen receptor positive and mimic estrogen in the body is related to the rise in trans and perhaps gay people. Our males testosterone levels are 50% of what our grandfather and great grandfathers were on average. Women hit puberty on average 2years sooner than they did 50 years ago and boys are less masculine than in the past. Our plastics and **** chemicals in our food and water are contributing to lower fertility and possibly increased transgender population. Again, just my opinion but I believe m right on this.

So VtV, keep on eating those McYoked post workout meals filled with chemicals out the wazoo, I’ll be sure to pick up a sexy mini skirt for ya when you’re ready.

Ok, back to serious discussion…

Current gender theory says gender is fluid and transgender is normal. Scientifically and biologically, it’s not, male is male and female is female based on the biological criteria I listed above.

NOW, and I want to be crystal clear on this point:

NO ONE should be discriminated against bc of sexual orientation or gender identity and the right to life liberty and the persuit of happiness should apply equally fairly and justly to ALL Americans and human rights to all people around the world.

BUT, we can’t ignore scientific facts either, as a moderate libertarian, I believe strongly there is a happy medium here and it’s as follows:

1. Pronouns. Let’s use common sense but also respect. If you are transgender, prior to transitioning, your pronouns should match your biological sex. Once you’ve transitioned to the point your presenting as the opposite gender, then out of respect, we should address that person by the pronouns of their gender identity. Ie, a trans woman who presents as a woman is she/her.

1a. They/them are plural pronouns and are bullsh1t to refer to an individual as. Gender fluid folks are also psychologically disturbed and can’t commit to a side. Which is fine, but then the appropriate pronouns are the ones that match your biological sex.

2. Bathrooms. Again, common sense and respect. A trans woman pre transition uses the mens bathroom, a trans woman after a certain point in transitioning or post transition uses the womens bathroom. Womens bathroom are all private/semi private stallls, there’s no issue here. Don’t confuse transgender and sexual predator. They are NOT related.

3. Locker rooms. Trans people should have a separate private locker room bc it could be uncomfortable and unfair to women to see a biological male naked in their shower or changing areas.

4. Sports. Again common sense. Men vs men and women vs women. Trans people can compete in gender open leagues where men and women are already on the same team or they can create and compete in trans specific leagues.

Remember, transgender is a medical mental condition. It would be like a guy in a wheelchair demanding he play basketball on the regular basketball team, it makes no sense and we shouldn’t change the world for that one guy. However, creating a wheelchair basketball league is a great positive answer.

We wouldn’t eliminate stairs into a building so as not to offend cripples and force everyone to use ramps, BUT adding wheelchair ramps to a building is the right way to respect and provide opportunities for disabled folks while not negatively impacting everyone else.

For too long conservatives marginalized and defamed and discriminated against gay and especially trans peoples. There has been an over correcting in some aspects of society for sure, but demonizing people and associating them with pedophiles and sex predators is just wrong. Again, we need to address this just like climate change from a common sense scientific facts based approach without emotional malice towards others even if they make you uncomfortable.

This isn’t about discrimination or making people feel uncomfortable. This is about which gender you are biologically. As I’ve stated before, just because you can change your gender legally and anatomically does NOT change it biologically. YOU CANNOT CHANGE SCIENCE. It’s not discrimination if I address you as the natural-born gender you are biologically. Sure, they may get butthurt over me not addressing them as to the gender which they claim to be, but I’m not going to pretend that men are women and women are men. Just as they have a right to claim the gender of their choice, I have the right to reject their beliefs and the right to deny calling them whatever pronoun they request.

Not gonna lie. I skimmed through your last couple posts due to their lengths.

Sports: If you are transgender and playing where both teams are unisex, that’s one thing. But, for example, if you are a biological male playing on an all-women’s team, no,

Remember, science does NOT recognize nor is there a so-called “gay gene”.
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