Originally Posted by FL 4Motion (Post 4042203)

Kill them all! They’re pests.

Originally Posted by JNews86 (Post 4042163)

That was me he called poor. Yet he has no idea how much I make. And yeah I was mostly ball busting at first but after that the gloves came off.

Originally Posted by eastwest2300 (Post 4039989)

One other thing, you keep mentioning feds in your posts about me, apparently rusty has given you bad information, i work for amazon, and have been with amazon for several years now.. last time i checked, amazon and feds are two entirely different organizations.. just spittin facts son.:rofl2::rofl2::rofl2::rofl2:

Originally Posted by eastwest2300 (Post 4039994)

You and I, we're friends for life.:rofl2::rofl2::rofl2::rofl2:

Originally Posted by eastwest2300 (Post 4040139)

jnews, you still butt hurt about your garbage azz new york knicks or is it the yankees, they're pretty sh1tty too... just like the state of the new york.. spittin facts bruh. You wish you could be here in south florida, don't ya? bet your broke azz couldn't afford it.

#poorpeopleproblems

Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 4040232)

I'll buy you an ice cream cone next time I see ya. LMAO!!!!

Originally Posted by -ZS-Carpenter (Post 4040234)

You must wait for him to have 3 cards denied at the ice cream shop while he acts like he doesn't know what's going on before you buy the grown man an ice cream cone so he doesn't feel left out

Originally Posted by -ZS-Carpenter (Post 4040246)

Multiple cards declined for an ice cream cone. We have about 10 witnesses to the event

Originally Posted by JNews86 (Post 4040245)

Did his card really decline?

Originally Posted by Rusty (Post 4040248)

Yep. I was there. Think it was Jar who broke down and bought him an ice cream cone after about 15 minutes of whining. Wifey and me were sitting at a picnic table watching the show.

Originally Posted by JNews86 (Post 4040250)

And he seriously tried to call me poor last night lmao

Originally Posted by -ZS-Carpenter (Post 4040296)

As are we all. Another curious thing is after realizing what a stupid idea that was he got a replacement hood and just left the 100lbs of garbage at his "friends" house to dispose of. If I get a chance this weekend I'll post some pics of it. IDK if pics will do it justice but it is something to see in person

Originally Posted by eastwest2300 (Post 4040306)

Unfortunately I could tell you the truth, but those few people that think they know, dont really know, and they're feeding you bullsh*t..

Ohh, and one other thing, my fans often talk about this ice cream thing with my credit card, again they're not telling you the truth, the truth is, we went to this place on lake michigan that only accepted cash, I had never been to this place and I didn't know thats all they accepted was cash, I don't carry cash on me, so yes Jarblue bought me an ice cream cone. (Thank you Jarblue). But all this talk about my credit card being declined, its laughable. Its those same guys driving their 2009/2010/2011/2012/2013 -- 370Zs... Last time I looked in the garage, there's this beautiful Absolute Zero Toyota Supra 3.0 Premium Edition thats almost paid off, and its sooooo much faster than the 370z :icon17:.. So trust me when I say this, my credit rating is legit, I don't have to put money down for sh*t for anything..and that my friend, thats a fact!:rofl2::rofl2::rofl2::rofl2:

Originally Posted by FL 4Motion (Post 4042206)

Later ‘taters, I’m out. Y’all have a good night, don’t let the malaria carrying ‘skeeters bite. :tiphat:

Originally Posted by FL 4Motion (Post 4042178)

When I first heard about this, my first thought was someone is trolling hunter irl. :rofl2:

Originally Posted by FL 4Motion (Post 4042188)

They’re everywhere around here. We have them in our neighborhood. Along with wild hogs, black bears occasionally, bobcats, an occasional panther, deer, rattlesnakes, Pygmy rattlers, (all the snakes really) etc.

And we’re not even rural lol, we’re in suburbia.

Originally Posted by vtec to vvel (Post 4042198)

I remember that. And then the ice cream story came out and that's when you went to town :icon18::icon18:

Originally Posted by vtec to vvel (Post 4041435)

https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/21/us/ho...-dg/index.html

"The Titanic submersible was going down nearly 13,000 feet. Just how deep in the ocean is that?"

We have the ability/technology to send people to the moon and rovers to Mars, which are thousands upon millions of miles away, and have the capabilities to track them so they don't get lost. Yet, we can't track a vehicle on our home turf that is less than 3 miles down underwater? Are there not any in-case-of-emergency functionalities on these things?

Originally Posted by filip00 (Post 4041436)

Listen, take the following as a given, because these are the facts:
1. You can't predict the weather with 100% confidence. You can't, forget it.
2. Nobody can guarantee safety from hurricanes, force majeur events etc.

Now with those two in mind....would you rather that you have a newscaster who says:

"Hurricane is underway, we expect it will go throught states A, B and C, we got no idea if it will go to other states like C, D, E, good luck folks."

or would you like something like:

"Hurricane is underway, we expect it will go throught states A, B and C, we think that states like C, D, E are safe, to the best of our knowledge."


Because the first one will get them legally off the hook, and I dunno, you'll be happy? But what will happen is panic, a lot of people AGAIN hoarding stuff and idiots spreading everywhere......so they are doing the second, but you'r angry because nobody guarantees safety.

I mean think about it for a moment.

Originally Posted by filip00 (Post 4041437)

Correct.

It's much easier to secure someone from vacuum than from the depths and crazy pressures that are experienced in the bottom of the Mariana trench for example.
It's much easier to track and communicate to people in space, where there are NO OBSTACLES for radio wave communication, whereas in the sea, the opposite is true.
Thirdly, we have mapped the whole moon, because all you need is a telescope. To map the ocean floor, what do you think is necessary? That's a question for you to answer.

With the first two answers that I've given you, and the third one you can answer yourself -> you will answer the whole conundrum that bothers you.
Spoiler alert:

Originally Posted by DaveZ03 (Post 4041438)

Looks like we've only mapped <10% of the global ocean, to filip00's point.

https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/exploration.html

Originally Posted by filip00 (Post 4041439)

I am amazed that this apparently isn't common knowledge.

Originally Posted by vtec to vvel (Post 4041440)

I'm not angry nor asking for 100% accurate results, and I understand weather is not an exact science. BUT, given the education/technology/qualifications/etc. needed, meteorologist should and need to give a better picture of its projected path based on conditions and factors (i.e. warm air, warm water, wind shear, troughs, any jet streams that could push the hurricane away to a different direction, etc.). They have plenty of tools and resources and KNOWN variables to depict these phenomenons. There will be different scenarios, but these should be very limited, and not have the spaghetti models with the entire alphabet.

Originally Posted by vtec to vvel (Post 4041442)

So you're telling me it's much easier to communicate with someone that is millions of miles away and in space with unknown territory/variables than someone who is less than 3 miles underwater on home turf with better known variables?

We can map the moon, but we can't map out 3 miles of underwater of the general area of where the Titanic is? We don't need to map out the entire ocean for this, let alone the Mariana Trench.

Originally Posted by vtec to vvel (Post 4041443)

I am amazed society has apparently only mapped <10% of the global ocean.

Originally Posted by DaveZ03 (Post 4041449)

I look forward to reading your thesis on how we can improve not only ocean mapping, but also meteorology. I await with baited breath.

Originally Posted by vtec to vvel (Post 4041454)

I didn't bring up ocean mapping, someone else did. Perhaps you can enlighten us on this.

Meteorology: Again, it's not an exact science, but it's not rocket science either. They (the meteorologists) should be able to make better educated projections, at least a lot more educated and accurate than what they have been.

Originally Posted by vtec to vvel (Post 4041459)

I'm a little late on this, but I now understand the reference, courtesy of youtube.

Holy sh!t....

Originally Posted by DaveZ03 (Post 4041464)

I'm just curious how we are supposed to find something that is lost in the middle of something we don't even have 10% mapped out. How did we send people to the moon? We mapped out the way, the fuel needed, the technology needed, the additional resources REQUIRED, etc.

So your question about how we can't solve the problem of finding folks in the ocean is clearly dependent on the understanding of the environment we are exploring. By exploring, we map.



Quick google search:

https://techcrunch.com/2023/06/20/a-...-he-was-fired/

https://www.npr.org/2023/06/21/11834...te-submersible

Amazing what a quick search can yield. Also it's easy to complain. It's hard to come up with solutions that are grounded in science. Enjoy the rest of your day.

Originally Posted by vtec to vvel (Post 4041466)

That is exactly my point. We have the time/energy/resources to map out space for the moon, which is thousands of miles away, but can't take the same resources to map out less than 3 miles underwater?

This is a "problem" that can easily be solved: map out the general area of the ocean of their target area. In this case, the resting place of the Titanic. Like you said, explore to map the 3 miles of underwater. I think we both can agree that it is MUCH easier to explore/map 3 miles underwater than it is to explore/map thousands of miles into space.




Lol Did I come across as complaining? I was thinking it was more of expressing shock/astonishment. At the end of the day, this doesn't affect me personally so I really don't have any complaints about this.

Originally Posted by DaveZ03 (Post 4041467)

If it is SO MUCH easier, than why aren't you doing it? Do you have a solution to present? I'll wait...

Originally Posted by filip00 (Post 4041469)

They can't. Now what? Should we all fire them?

they can give accurate predictions maybe 24h in advance. More than that is pure guesswork.

Now what?

Originally Posted by filip00 (Post 4041471)

Yes, I'm telling you exactly that. I'll even give you another analogy. One person in space, the other on earth. The dude in space only needs to make a flash of light and you will see it, regardless of your distance. If you replace light by radiowaves, you will get communication.

Now beneath the deep ocean...is a different medium. There are other objects in between (hint: there are virtually NO objects in space between us and the moon [except maybe some satellites]), and there are also deep sea caverns, and the pressure is larger, and waves do not travel freely in this medium.....even light can't penetrate it.....do...you....see where I'm going with this?

Originally Posted by filip00 (Post 4041472)

I am shocked that you are what, questioning this? You think that's not the case, or what? Or you think they should've mapped more? How? Read my comment above.

Originally Posted by filip00 (Post 4041474)

Saddest part is - I didn't need to look up the fact that the ocean floor is virtually completely unmapped. Also, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand the difference between mapping an ocean floor and a foreign space body. YES THE MOON IS FURTHER. YES. But that does not mean you can't observe it from afar. That does not mean you can't map the whole fckn thing - we've got incredible telescopes.

And ocean? Do you have underwater telescopes? WE DON'T. Do we have super submersible vessels that withstand crazy pressures deep beneath? NO SIR, WE DON'T HAVE THOSE EITHER. And I'm not sarcastic here - WE DON'T HAVE THESE. Even the most advanced nuclear submarines can only submerge a couple of hundred meters deep.
So seriously - how DO you go about mapping the ocean floor? Light doesn't penetrate deeper than maybe 100 meters. Then what? I mean, do you even fathom the practical problems of mapping the ocean floor?

The only thing we've got is sonar. Fckn sonar. You know what that gives us? It gives us a ROUGH ESTIMATE of depth and where the walls are. That's it. Good luck with anything else. If there's an underwater cave - we'll miss it unless we go around the siphon to see it.

****, I'm tired of explaining.

Do me a favor now and you tell me. Seriously - you tell me, what do you think is going on? You think that we actually mapped the ocean floor? You think there's a conspiracy against it or what? Seriously asking this, I'm not joking, I genuinely want to understand how do you view this, because it will help me understand how someone else doesn't understand this, and I'll maybe be able to explain better and easier next time.

Originally Posted by vtec to vvel (Post 4041485)

Didn't think my posts and opinions would create such traction lol. You do you and I'll do me.

But be careful, there are those here that will take these posts as political and report. Still wondering who among us that is.

DaveZ03, be sure to send a blank check my way and I will gladly take on the ocean mapping project. Someone has to do it.

Originally Posted by filip00 (Post 4041487)

So you can't be arsed to be at least that decent to tell me - what YOUR take on this whole thing is? I mean, you plant the **** seed, insinuate that something else is going on, but you can't actually follow through and elaborate? I'm disappointed man. Do explain, because like I said - I'm genuinely interested in what's going on in your head, because I think you're the perfect "normal" dude here, who might be able to fill in the gap between myself, and someone who is a conspiracy theorist. So I wonder, who's in between, what do average people think - what *actually* happened there?

Originally Posted by danegrey (Post 4042217)

Its friday, and the weekend it here...
so enjoy the day and the weekend
:)

Originally Posted by vtec to vvel (Post 4042205)

I found it, and had another good laugh taking a trip down memory lane :rofl2::rofl2: