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Hotrodz · 06-02-2020, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by SouthArk370Z

Not so much doubt as willing to wait for more evidence before condemning someone. A video, out of context, can be misleading. Apparently the vids that are circulating are spot on.

Just a tidbit from what is common practice with trappers when they have animal caught in a trap and they don't want shoot it because it will ruin the pelt. The use a catch pole like ones you see dog catchers use and and place the noose around the critters neck tighten th noonse and pin the animal to the ground choking it. Then they stand on the critters chest. Standing on chest reduces the ability of the animal to take and expand its lungs to full capacity. Each breath or attempted breath further collapses the lung and reduces its ability to inflate. The animal suffocates and dies.

This is exactly what happened to Mr. Floyd. The kneeled on his back collapsing his lungs while one of the kneeled on his neck restricting his airway. This is exactly what what the coroner described. Mr. George Floyd was murdered pure and simple! I don't need any more evidence than has been presented as I have over 20 years of investigating wildlife homicide or poaching. There absolutely no difference in the investigation of the killing of a deer or a person!

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Zyonara91 · 06-02-2020, 04:29 PM

Here's my 2 cents, take it for what it's worth. Note I'm from Canada, parents are Indian and came here in the early 70s.

Racism always has and will exist, therefore the fight for against it will always go on as well. It's like hot and cold, light and darkness etc. This world is one of duality, you cannot have bad without good and good without the bad, that's just the way the way it is in my eyes. Is racism acceptable? No, it is not, regardless of what form it is.

The Situation

The way the cop had his knee on the man was wrong. Why so much pressure? He should have been charged with first degree murder, he knew what he was doing. The cops around him who refused to check the man's status in terms of health while pinned messed up to and should be charged accordingly as well, whether it be with 3rd or 2nd degree murder. The message we should be taking here is no one is above the law whether it be officers, officials or civilians. It applies to us all equally, and that is what needs to be enforced. Letting people get away due to money and ties as made a mockery of the justice system, not only in the U.S but Canada as well.

Protests
Freedom of speech is the greatest gift of all. If you can have a discussion in a civilized, academic and mature manner based on facts and merits then you have something good going on. However not everyone has the mental capacity for this.

You want to protest, go ahead, protest, you have the right to. However, when you start going around looting, advocating violence and so forth, you deserve nothing less than a baton to your head. I don't care what your skin colour or religious beliefs are, if you're disturbing the peace (looting, violence, taking on innocent civilians and destroying peoples livelihoods) you need your *** beat.

I know, for a fact, people are using the BLM movement to carry on inhumane actions which give the movement a bad name. But let's be real here, there are members in that group who advocate for racism towards white people regardless of their political stance etc. It is wrong to say the BLM is completely innocent and there are not members in there with ulterior motives. Are all BLM protesters bad? Hell no. Some are there to push the right message, that is for sure. Same with cops, there are some amazing cops out there and there are those within their ranks who do not protect and serve the people.

You cannot paint an entire ethnicity, religion, group etc with a single brush. That is absurd, it really is. That's like saying all Indian people smell of curry, fun fact, we don't

Racism
I do not promote racism of any kind, hate breeds hate. My mom told me stories of her living in a all white area when growing up here in Canada. Her family was one of the first Indian families in that area. They were called all sort of names, denied all types of opportunities etc. However my mother and her family knew not all white people are like that, that you cannot paint everyone with the same brush.

My mom still has family in the area, they along with the white people all get along just fine! BBQs, invited to family weddings etc. I just hate how white people are made to seem like some sort of racist demons on the media. I've had enough of this "white man bad" bull crap and how they are constantly told to apologize for crap that similar coloured people did to other people of other colours decades or centuries ago. Like wtf is that about?

White privilege? Does it exist? Sure, but not to the extreme the media makes it out to be. I've been treated better by white people than how they treat their own. I've seen brown and black people treat white people bad due to their skin, it's absurd and stupid. To say white people do not experience racism is idiotic as well, anyone that supports that ideology either hasn't travelled the world or is just an idiot. If there is white privilege then there is also brown privilege, black privilege etc.

I always hear how white people are racists etc, sure, there are some that are but not all of them are. Do me a favour, take a trip to India, a land where it is mostly all brown people. You have a damn caste system, where fellow Indians are thrown into categories based on their caste. Everything from marriage to job opportunities revolve around it, and these are people who are the same colour or different shades of it. Can you imagine that crap here? There would be riots everyday. . . Does this make Indian people racists? You tell me. . . What do you say as a white/black person when an Indian parent tells you that you can't marry their daughter/son because of your skin colour? Are you allowed to call them racists? Or is that there right? Dilly of a pickle huh?

Then you have religious differences and people will outright ridicule you and your belief. It never ends. Racism is VERY heavy in parts of Asia, people are just afraid of calling it out because well, then they are racist too! How ironic. Is it a good thing? Of course not, it needs to be changed for the better.

I see people still complain about slavery and use it in their arguments. Slavery was a terrible thing in America and there was a civil war to end it. Apologies have been made and I do not think anything else needs to be said about that time. Recall it in order not to repeat the same mistakes but we should not use it as a "trump card".

The British had India under its thumb, am I going to cry about how my ancestors were rapped and looted? No. That was the past and things happened and now we have to put our best efforts forward to ensure it does not happen to us or anyone again. Am I going to blame Brits today? Pfft, no, why the hell would I do that? The Brits of today are not like the Brits of past trying to spread British imperialism etc. Some people have to let **** go, it may not have been pleasant to read about and for people to go through but the past can't be undone.

It takes little effort to hold a grudge but it takes a big person to forgive and let go. I get people are angry about things but damn, don't riot and leave destruction in your path.

These days you have a different opinion than someone else you are deemed a racists or a nazi, makes no sense and it's the go to card for many people. Which is a pathetic move and sad.

In conclusion

People have the right to protest peacefully. People have the right to be upset. However don't go around being a moron about things.

Not all communities can be painted with the same brush. You have to look at individual actions and then add them up and come to a sum, sort of like an average. When I do that, the good always outweighs the bad, for any group. Racism won't die unless we kill the part of ourselves that feeds it. As long as racism is prevalent I will do my part to fight it on all fronts as any decent person would and should do.

If you are in riot cities be safe, pray as well if that is your thing. We all will get through this injustice, but we have to go through it together and learn from it together, that's how the best of lessons are learned. I just find it sad how humans can find anything to divide ourselves, skin colour being one thing, and we call ourselves the most "intelligent" species on this planet. Sure.

JARblue · 06-02-2020, 05:26 PM

I have a big problem with the 3rd degree murder indictment. But it is understandable considering the circumstances.

The biggest problem with 1st and 2nd degree murder is you have to prove intent. In the case of 1st degree you often need premeditation as well. Sure we all know the cop's intent was to kill Mr. Floyd, but prosecutors felt that placing that decision in the hands of a jury was dangerous. Case in point look at the former DA lady that was looking good for Biden's VP (not a chance in hell now

) - in Minneapolis under her there were 12 cases of black victims killed by cops that went to a grand jury and didn't even get an indictment. That means they didn't even think an investigation was warranted. That's a problem in Minneapolis that goes beyond the police force

So with the 3rd degree murder charge the prosecutors simply have to prove that placing your knee on someone's neck like that could kill them. That's a slam dunk. Or should be

SouthArk370Z · 06-02-2020, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Zyonara91

Here's my 2 cents, take it for what it's worth. ...

That post was worth a lot more than two cents. Well said.

SouthArk370Z · 06-02-2020, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by JARblue

I have a big problem with the 3rd degree murder indictment. But it is understandable considering the circumstances.

The biggest problem with 1st and 2nd degree murder is you have to prove intent. In the case of 1st degree you often need premeditation as well. ...

So with the 3rd degree murder charge the prosecutors simply have to prove that placing your knee on someone's neck like that could kill them. That's a slam dunk. Or should be

Definitely. Better to get a conviction for 3rd than an acquittal for 1st.

If he is not convicted, the last few days are going to look like a day at Disneyland.

JARblue · 06-02-2020, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by SouthArk370Z

Definitely. Better to get a conviction for 3rd than an acquittal for 1st.

If he is not convicted, the last few days are going to look like a day at Disneyland.

I think that is pretty much exactly the prosecutors' thinking. Absolutely CANNOT have an acquittal no matter what the charge.

Hotrodz · 06-02-2020, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by JARblue

I have a big problem with the 3rd degree murder indictment. But it is understandable considering the circumstances.

The biggest problem with 1st and 2nd degree murder is you have to prove intent. In the case of 1st degree you often need premeditation as well. Sure we all know the cop's intent was to kill Mr. Floyd, but prosecutors felt that placing that decision in the hands of a jury was dangerous. Case in point look at the former DA lady that was looking good for Biden's VP (not a chance in hell now

) - in Minneapolis under her there were 12 cases of black victims killed by cops that went to a grand jury and didn't even get an indictment. That means they didn't even think an investigation was warranted. That's a problem in Minneapolis that goes beyond the police force

So with the 3rd degree murder charge the prosecutors simply have to prove that placing your knee on someone's neck like that could kill them. That's a slam dunk. Or should be

This is the problem, Black people have been convicted of 1st and 2nd degree murder for less. This part of the bais that runs deep in America and why people are protesting. Intent, how about his previous complaint record not to mention all the ones that never were documented.

That piece of **** had his hand in his pocket because he was holding his ****. He was getting off over dominating and stealing Mr. Floyd's power. I know purely speculation but this is not uncommon with those that get off over dominating their victims.

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Spooler · 06-02-2020, 06:17 PM

Prosecuter needs to do his best to do better than 3rd degree. Not only that. The other 3 pieces of crap that stood by and did nothing need to be accessories at least. WTH

Hotrodz · 06-02-2020, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler

Prosecuter needs to do his best to do better than 3rd degree. Not only that. The other 3 pieces of crap that stood by and did nothing need to be accessories at least. WTH

They all participated in holding him down or getting him to the ground. Again if you and I rob a Circle K and you shoot and kill someone and I am driving the getaway car...guess what I get charged with murder as well.

The more this goes on the more ludicrous it gets!!!

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SouthArk370Z · 06-02-2020, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler

Prosecuter needs to do his best to do better than 3rd degree. Not only that. The other 3 pieces of crap that stood by and did nothing need to be accessories at least. WTH

The trial hasn't started yet so it's possible that charges may be upgraded. But I doubt it. Maybe 2nd degree if the prosecutor feels confident enough. Hard to get any conviction for a cop; damn near impossible for 1st degree murder.

Yep. All three were in on it. As mentioned above, if someone dies during the commission of a felony, the perp(s) is charged with murder.

Rusty · 06-02-2020, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by SouthArk370Z

That post was worth a lot more than two cents. Well said.

Rusty · 06-02-2020, 10:16 PM

The cop is guilty as chit. No question. The other cops are guilty too for their part.

Protesting is a right we have in this country. But when the protest is hi-jacked for other means. The protest lost it true meaning. George Floyd has become the forgot man in all is this. It's no longer about Mr Floyd. It's all about causing chaos.

What happened to Mr. Floyd, should never have happened. To him or anyone else.

cossie1600 · 06-02-2020, 10:19 PM

The faster the good cops weed out the bad ones, the better it is for everyone. They need to stand up to their union and break the frat boy culture of the police department.

Rusty · 06-02-2020, 10:44 PM

Where I live at. We have one full time cop and 3 part time cops. When they are not on duty. If you call 911. You might get the state police in about an hour or so. Depending how many of them are on duty, and if they are in a different part of the county. Basically, you're on your own. The retired chief lives across the street, 2 houses up. I know the other ones. They all are good people.

Rusty · 06-02-2020, 11:27 PM

Truth!

06-02-2020, 04:29 PM	#77 (permalink)
Zyonara91 Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: GTA Posts: 368 Drives: 2010-Red-6spd-S/T Rep Power: 15756	Here's my 2 cents, take it for what it's worth. Note I'm from Canada, parents are Indian and came here in the early 70s. Racism always has and will exist, therefore the fight for against it will always go on as well. It's like hot and cold, light and darkness etc. This world is one of duality, you cannot have bad without good and good without the bad, that's just the way the way it is in my eyes. Is racism acceptable? No, it is not, regardless of what form it is. The Situation The way the cop had his knee on the man was wrong. Why so much pressure? He should have been charged with first degree murder, he knew what he was doing. The cops around him who refused to check the man's status in terms of health while pinned messed up to and should be charged accordingly as well, whether it be with 3rd or 2nd degree murder. The message we should be taking here is no one is above the law whether it be officers, officials or civilians. It applies to us all equally, and that is what needs to be enforced. Letting people get away due to money and ties as made a mockery of the justice system, not only in the U.S but Canada as well. Protests Freedom of speech is the greatest gift of all. If you can have a discussion in a civilized, academic and mature manner based on facts and merits then you have something good going on. However not everyone has the mental capacity for this. You want to protest, go ahead, protest, you have the right to. However, when you start going around looting, advocating violence and so forth, you deserve nothing less than a baton to your head. I don't care what your skin colour or religious beliefs are, if you're disturbing the peace (looting, violence, taking on innocent civilians and destroying peoples livelihoods) you need your * beat. I know, for a fact, people are using the BLM movement to carry on inhumane actions which give the movement a bad name. But let's be real here, there are members in that group who advocate for racism towards white people regardless of their political stance etc. It is wrong to say the BLM is completely innocent and there are not members in there with ulterior motives. Are all BLM protesters bad? Hell no. Some are there to push the right message, that is for sure. Same with cops, there are some amazing cops out there and there are those within their ranks who do not protect and serve the people. You cannot paint an entire ethnicity, religion, group etc with a single brush. That is absurd, it really is. That's like saying all Indian people smell of curry, fun fact, we don't Racism** I do not promote racism of any kind, hate breeds hate. My mom told me stories of her living in a all white area when growing up here in Canada. Her family was one of the first Indian families in that area. They were called all sort of names, denied all types of opportunities etc. However my mother and her family knew not all white people are like that, that you cannot paint everyone with the same brush. My mom still has family in the area, they along with the white people all get along just fine! BBQs, invited to family weddings etc. I just hate how white people are made to seem like some sort of racist demons on the media. I've had enough of this "white man bad" bull crap and how they are constantly told to apologize for crap that similar coloured people did to other people of other colours decades or centuries ago. Like wtf is that about? White privilege? Does it exist? Sure, but not to the extreme the media makes it out to be. I've been treated better by white people than how they treat their own. I've seen brown and black people treat white people bad due to their skin, it's absurd and stupid. To say white people do not experience racism is idiotic as well, anyone that supports that ideology either hasn't travelled the world or is just an idiot. If there is white privilege then there is also brown privilege, black privilege etc. I always hear how white people are racists etc, sure, there are some that are but not all of them are. Do me a favour, take a trip to India, a land where it is mostly all brown people. You have a damn caste system, where fellow Indians are thrown into categories based on their caste. Everything from marriage to job opportunities revolve around it, and these are people who are the same colour or different shades of it. Can you imagine that crap here? There would be riots everyday. . . Does this make Indian people racists? You tell me. . . What do you say as a white/black person when an Indian parent tells you that you can't marry their daughter/son because of your skin colour? Are you allowed to call them racists? Or is that there right? Dilly of a pickle huh? Then you have religious differences and people will outright ridicule you and your belief. It never ends. Racism is VERY heavy in parts of Asia, people are just afraid of calling it out because well, then they are racist too! How ironic. Is it a good thing? Of course not, it needs to be changed for the better. I see people still complain about slavery and use it in their arguments. Slavery was a terrible thing in America and there was a civil war to end it. Apologies have been made and I do not think anything else needs to be said about that time. Recall it in order not to repeat the same mistakes but we should not use it as a "trump card". The British had India under its thumb, am I going to cry about how my ancestors were rapped and looted? No. That was the past and things happened and now we have to put our best efforts forward to ensure it does not happen to us or anyone again. Am I going to blame Brits today? Pfft, no, why the hell would I do that? The Brits of today are not like the Brits of past trying to spread British imperialism etc. Some people have to let ** go, it may not have been pleasant to read about and for people to go through but the past can't be undone. It takes little effort to hold a grudge but it takes a big person to forgive and let go. I get people are angry about things but damn, don't riot and leave destruction in your path. These days you have a different opinion than someone else you are deemed a racists or a nazi, makes no sense and it's the go to card for many people. Which is a pathetic move and sad. In conclusion** People have the right to protest peacefully. People have the right to be upset. However don't go around being a moron about things. Not all communities can be painted with the same brush. You have to look at individual actions and then add them up and come to a sum, sort of like an average. When I do that, the good always outweighs the bad, for any group. Racism won't die unless we kill the part of ourselves that feeds it. As long as racism is prevalent I will do my part to fight it on all fronts as any decent person would and should do. If you are in riot cities be safe, pray as well if that is your thing. We all will get through this injustice, but we have to go through it together and learn from it together, that's how the best of lessons are learned. I just find it sad how humans can find anything to divide ourselves, skin colour being one thing, and we call ourselves the most "intelligent" species on this planet. Sure. FL 4Motion, SouthArk370Z, JARblue and 4 others like this. __________________ 2FT3PDLZ Last edited by Zyonara91; 06-02-2020 at 06:52 PM.

06-02-2020, 05:26 PM	#78 (permalink)
JARblue A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Austin, TX Age: 44 Posts: 36,450 Drives: 11 Z34, 98 E36 M3 Rep Power: 2684441	I have a big problem with the 3rd degree murder indictment. But it is understandable considering the circumstances. The biggest problem with 1st and 2nd degree murder is you have to prove intent. In the case of 1st degree you often need premeditation as well. Sure we all know the cop's intent was to kill Mr. Floyd, but prosecutors felt that placing that decision in the hands of a jury was dangerous. Case in point look at the former DA lady that was looking good for Biden's VP (not a chance in hell now ) - in Minneapolis under her there were 12 cases of black victims killed by cops that went to a grand jury and didn't even get an indictment. That means they didn't even think an investigation was warranted. That's a problem in Minneapolis that goes beyond the police force So with the 3rd degree murder charge the prosecutors simply have to prove that placing your knee on someone's neck like that could kill them. That's a slam dunk. Or should be FL 4Motion, SouthArk370Z, Rusty and 3 others like this. __________________ 2011 370Z 6MT Sport Gun Metallic \| ARC \| CJM \| Ecutek \| FI \| Fujimura \| R2C \| SPL \| Stillen \| TWM \| Z1 \| ZSpeed \|

06-02-2020, 06:17 PM	#83 (permalink)
Spooler A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Ga Posts: 13,959 Drives: 2013 Nismo 370z Rep Power: 2684392	Prosecuter needs to do his best to do better than 3rd degree. Not only that. The other 3 pieces of crap that stood by and did nothing need to be accessories at least. WTH FL 4Motion, JARblue, Rusty and 3 others like this.

06-02-2020, 10:16 PM	#87 (permalink)
Rusty Ronin Samurai - Assassin Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Fayettenam,Pennsyltucky Age: 69 Posts: 35,348 Drives: 2011 Nismo GM 6M Rep Power: 2684438	The cop is guilty as chit. No question. The other cops are guilty too for their part. Protesting is a right we have in this country. But when the protest is hi-jacked for other means. The protest lost it true meaning. George Floyd has become the forgot man in all is this. It's no longer about Mr Floyd. It's all about causing chaos. What happened to Mr. Floyd, should never have happened. To him or anyone else. FL 4Motion, JARblue, Hotrodz and 5 others like this. __________________ 浪人 - 殺し屋 "The Difficult Anytime, The Impossible By Appointment Only" http://www.the370z.com/members-370z-...o-journal.html

06-02-2020, 10:19 PM	#88 (permalink)
cossie1600 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: californee way Posts: 5,380 Drives: 370, Leaf Rep Power: 30	The faster the good cops weed out the bad ones, the better it is for everyone. They need to stand up to their union and break the frat boy culture of the police department. FL 4Motion, SouthArk370Z, JARblue and 3 others like this.

06-02-2020, 10:44 PM	#89 (permalink)
Rusty Ronin Samurai - Assassin Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Fayettenam,Pennsyltucky Age: 69 Posts: 35,348 Drives: 2011 Nismo GM 6M Rep Power: 2684438	Where I live at. We have one full time cop and 3 part time cops. When they are not on duty. If you call 911. You might get the state police in about an hour or so. Depending how many of them are on duty, and if they are in a different part of the county. Basically, you're on your own. The retired chief lives across the street, 2 houses up. I know the other ones. They all are good people. FL 4Motion, Hotrodz, Spooler and 2 others like this. __________________ 浪人 - 殺し屋 "The Difficult Anytime, The Impossible By Appointment Only" http://www.the370z.com/members-370z-...o-journal.html

06-02-2020, 11:27 PM	#90 (permalink)
Rusty Ronin Samurai - Assassin Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Fayettenam,Pennsyltucky Age: 69 Posts: 35,348 Drives: 2011 Nismo GM 6M Rep Power: 2684438	Truth! redondoaveb and bunk like this. __________________ 浪人 - 殺し屋 "The Difficult Anytime, The Impossible By Appointment Only" http://www.the370z.com/members-370z-...o-journal.html

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