CoronaVirus

geeteezee

lol, you cannot compare deaths from the flu with covid, that's ridiculous. Mortality rates of covid are estimated to be between 2 and 4% while seasonal influenza is below 0.1%.
In addition, the ease of transmission (R0) is higher with covid (2-3) as compared to the flu (1.3). (Yes I realize I'm comparing the flu to covid, lul)

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Ghostvette

You are looking at the wrong numbers. You are comparing deaths with known cases, that will always give an inaccurate number. Even the 'experts' are saying they don't know how many have had this and had either no symptoms/mild symptoms and recovered quickly. Until there is an anti-body test developed, saying that the CCP virus will kill 2-4% of those it infects is ludicrous.

Let's throw some things out, just for chits & giggles.

Average age of person that dies from CCP virus: 75
Average age of people at death during normal times: 75

What can be deduced from those statements? In reality, not a damn thing. People die when the body and spirit gives up, nothing is going to change that. We don't suspend life because people die. I didn't quit living when I lost my grandparents and I'm not going to quit living when my parents pass. If I did that, my dad when come back from the dead and kick my azz.... guaranteed.

I'm not a hard-hearted bastard, (regardless of what others may say)... all I'm saying is that we have allowed a bunch of people that claim to be experts wipe out our lives for no real good reason. I was raised that when you were sick, you stayed home until you were better. You didn't go dragging your sick azz all over the countryside, you didn't drag your sick kids all over creation to cough and sneeze all over everything, you stayed your azz home. How is this different? I'm not sick, I'm not staying home. PERIOD.

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DaveZ03

This. If people take away anything from this towards a positive change, this could have a HUGE impact on how we deal with other pandemics (because there will be others). Sadly, it's highly improbable that enough people will change their behaviors in the future to make any noticeable dent in future outcomes.

JARblue

Best case scenario is a bunch of them die off so we can try to make that dent noticeable in future outcomes

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NecioVato

I'm hoping we learn - from a 'common sense' to also from the way we do business as a whole. To have such a high percentage of our goods made in one place just seems like a disaster waiting to happen. While I know outsourcing is the way of the world, I believe if we are smart, we will look to have multiple countries involved or we will look to make some of these goods here to not deal with shortages etc.

Here was a story in the Dallas Morning News which was interesting but definitely speaks volume of $ > Everything.

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/watc...7-guess-again/

ZCanadian

I agree.

Problem is, until this came along the main concern was profit. And that pretty much means to consolidate production in certain areas. Especially areas where there is a lot of reasonably skilled, reliable, low wage labour.

The economic prosperity of most of the world comes from the fact we've enjoyed cheap goods from places like China. This is the other shoe dropping.

Best that this gives us a wake-up call now, and not in a war situation.

JARblue

Nothing has changed... decisions are still being made based on money. You can probably say that's the reason we're in this mess lol

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Ghostvette

It's been because of jerk supervisors that threatened people's jobs if they didn't show up for work that probably caused some of this. There is absolutely no need to come to work and contaminate the whole office when you are running a fever, coughing and sneezing.

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ZCanadian

First off, you ARE a hare-hearted bastard. And we love you for it! ;-)

Same numbers difficulty can be made with the flu - you don't REALLY know how many flu cases there are in the US every year. Betting upwards of 80% go unreported because they are relatively mild, They are in part relatively mild because we have vaccines and our immune systems have seen influenza virus before (even if not the particular strain), so your body already has a blueprint for dealing with most cases. In other words, the statistics are VERY MUCH comparable between the two illnesses.

Now, look at absolute numbers. Influenza (flu) kills about 650,000 people around the world annually. This thing has only been known for 5 months, and only started spreading around the globe in seriousness about 3 months ago. It has already claimed 152,000 people, and Russia and India really haven't reported in at all yet. Even without those, the daily death toll is still accelerating. It is on track to kill at least as many people as influenza this year. I'll wager the toll, even with shelter in place rules, is over 1,000,000, and without that it will be many times that.

No question that the economy is in dire straights. But it isn't just the US economy or Canada's. It is everywhere. And all one has to do is ride this out to get back to a relative normal. Otherwise, a lot of people who are perfectly healthy now are going to die. If 75 is your limit, why not just line everyone up at 74 and 364 days and shoot them? I don't know if that average is correct, but there certainly are young victims of this as well. Including doctors who are just doing their jobs and didn't sign up for this either!

As far as infrastructure is concerned, if everybody who runs the power grid in your region comes down with this, you are no better off.

Right now, governments will simply print money to solve the issue, and since everyone is doing the same, it has little impact on the value of the currency. When quantitative easing is reversed, and by how much, is what will determine that.

I agree, if you are sick, stay home. Problems with that in this case are two-fold.
First, you don't know that you are sick for up to 2 weeks (there is some indication that it could be even longer), yet you can already be infecting others by 2 - 5 days after you were exposed.
Second, this is not a cold. It is a deadly disease that humans are not immune to.

JARblue

If a disease kills someone is it considered deadly? Humans aren't immune to colds either. That's why we get sick from them. Some people even die from them

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NeverBoneStck

Yeah you are saying you had this. No big deal and compare it to the flu. Why don’t you get reinfected with it. Have a actual test to prove you are infected and please document your experience on you tube. It’s the only way to be sure.
validate everything you know about it and your personal experience of recovery. Please educate all us non believers and believers. It’s the only way to be sure due to you knowing so much. Also, if you can prove anything you are saying by being infected and document it... I will buy you a bottle of whatever your poison is after recovery. Seems like your a fighter and have plenty of spirit. What do you have to lose?

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Ghostvette

I'm the 'duty guinea pig' in my household. I run the errands for my family & for my parents who are in their 80s. I've been around people that, according to them, tested positive for the CCP virus, they've had the symptoms, yet I didn't get it. That says one of two things, either I have a natural immunity to the virus or it is a disease that isn't as transmittable as people believe.


Something to think about. We know that the body reacts poorly to stress and that stress weakens the immune system. What happens if we are 'encouraged' to do something on an annual basis and then a high stress event occurs? Lots of people get sick and die. Good example, the "H1N1' flu in 2009. What happened during 2008 & 2009? The housing market exploded, people lost their homes. What does losing a home do to someone? Creates stress.... how many of those people that lost their homes got sick and later died from 'H1N1'?

What I'm saying is that we are being manipulated. We are taking what the media says at face value and no longer thinking for ourselves. The common cold is a coronavirus, yet we don't shut down the economy and our countries for the common cold. Viruses exist in the real world all the time, why is this one different? Answer: we've abandoned common sense and settled for the media pablum, choosing to assume that the media won't lie to us. Just because all the media is saying the exact same thing doesn't make it right. 95% of the media is owned by 6 corporations, why do you suppose that everyone of them is saying the exact same thing? Why are they supporting the ChiCom narrative that the virus came from the US and that the ChiComs are 'going to save the world'?

It's like Scully said in the X files... "the truth is out there.......... somewhere'

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JARblue

Some people out there believe some ridiculous stuff when it comes to the virus being transmitted. And they don't need the media to hype it for them.

It's a cold virus and transmits like a cold virus. It's easy to get it but there are also very simple precautions you can take that do an excellent job in preventing transmission. There's no reason we can't start sending people back to work in some states in some industries with these proper precautions. The return to work should be staged based on the ability of the industry and operations to enact the necessary safeguards. The easier it is and the lower the risk, the quick the return to work.

Many operating essential businesses are already employing these precautionary methods. It's large assembly gatherings that are going to be the toughest to bring back. Live music shows, sporting events, festivals, etc... are going to have some serious challenges.

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