CoronaVirus

Rusty · 04-16-2020, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Ghostvette

US Congress: HR 5717
https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-...ouse-bill/5717

ZCanadian · 04-16-2020, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Rusty

Have you ever watched Max Headroom Show? It was a tv show back in the day. It dealt with tv news in the future. That show is holding true to today's news. In the show, the news only cared about rating. With high rating, came big money. Which is what today's news is doing. They are hoping that the more shocking the lead story is. The more viewers they will get. The higher the rating. The more money they can charge for ads. It's all about money.

I vaguely recall Max. Most of my life was spent in the country, and I don't think we got the channel. Yup, I'm a hick.

But The Newsroom was a great wakeup call to what journalism could/should/would be if and when it grows up. Yes, it had a bit of a left-leaning undercurrent, but it kicked the current model of news network in the chops.

I know it is fiction, but don't you wish you could hear this when you turn on the TV tonight?

ZCanadian · 04-16-2020, 04:44 PM

Instead, we get this...

Ghostvette · 04-17-2020, 09:44 AM

This is what's true today:

bunk · 04-17-2020, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Ghostvette

This is what's true today:

After the I heard how much the Stimulus package was I was like

I think its going to take generations to recover the economy.

Ghostvette · 04-17-2020, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by bunk

After the I heard how much the Stimulus package was I was like

I think its going to take generations to recover the economy.

Probably...

I think the next problem is that certain governors will have a hard time letting go of their personal 'kingdom'. As long as they think that there is even one person out there with the CCP virus, they'll use that as an excuse to keep people 'confined to quarters'. We, the people, aren't going to stand for that very long.

Rusty · 04-17-2020, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by bunk

After the I heard how much the Stimulus package was I was like

I think its going to take generations to recover the economy.

It will take forever to pay this off. Believe it took the UK to 2007 to pay off their WW2 dept.

bunk · 04-17-2020, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Ghostvette

Probably...

I think the next problem is that certain governors will have a hard time letting go of their personal 'kingdom'. As long as they think that there is even one person out there with the CCP virus, they'll use that as an excuse to keep people 'confined to quarters'. We, the people, aren't going to stand for that very long.

MSM is already spinning the Michigan protest as a protest against shelter in place. No... it was a protest against Gretchens iron fist trying to control EVERYTHING including what people can and can not buy.
The left is using the current events as a way to slowly get sheeple used to socialism. The gf can already see this coming from a mile away, since she knows what real socialism looks like.

Ghostvette · 04-17-2020, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by bunk

MSM is already spinning the Michigan protest as a protest against shelter in place. No... it was a protest against Gretchens iron fist trying to control EVERYTHING including what people can and can not buy.
The left is using the current events as a way to slowly get sheeple used to socialism. The gf can already see this coming from a mile away, since she knows what real socialism looks like.

There is a "shutdown" protest in Missouri scheduled for next Tuesday & one in Kansas next Thursday. We've already started a recall petition against Gov. Kelly. I'm hoping my chitbox will make it to Topeka....

No way I'm takin' the Z, not with a personalized plate on it.....

and all the firepower inside.....

ZCanadian · 04-17-2020, 12:53 PM

Do what you want, but with the realization that coming out 2 weeks too early means more deaths and shutting down the economy a second time, for longer, with more stimulus spending. Also means (if the above happens) that the US will be behind the rest of the world in terms of economic recovery and the ability to travel freely again. And that many businesses/individuals who are badly hurting now will be lost.

You've (mostly) done a great job it knocking this virus back in the last 2-3 weeks. But it means that for places like NYC the curve is flattening - not going away, but you're getting to the top of the crest of the wave. You need it to go down the other side, or 2,500 deaths a day will be the norm for months to come. Other places are just beginning to see the surge in cases and hospitalizations. Without proper testing (you're at about 1% of the population so far, which is great, but some of those tests are now 5 weeks old and irrelevant anymore) you don't have a good picture as to when it is safe to start moving around again. Even when it is, "free" movement will be impossilbe. There will be a new normal for another 12 to 18 months at least, until a vaccine or cure is found, or there is significant herd immunity from those who have had mild cases.

To do so would mean that every life lost, every penny spent to date, would be in vain.
Maybe to put it in more relevant terms, this is like the first Gulf War. Leaving Saddam Hussein in charge only lead to a second, much worse one. Repeating this folly here, with the mistaken impression that you know more than the experts advising your leaders, will have the same results.

JARblue · 04-17-2020, 01:10 PM

There are no curves flattening yet. If you actually look at the statistics. Except for China

Island nations like Iceland, New Zealand, and Australia are the closest to even seeing the beginnings of a flattening curve. It will take a month or more to see noticeable changes in the statistics if they are indeed flattening.

-ZS-Carpenter · 04-17-2020, 01:30 PM

If it's ok for me to work, building crap that could wait a month or two, they should be playing baseball

Not every single project is truly essential, 75% or more could wait hurting nothing but bank accounts

If I have to trudge out there they can go play in empty stadiums.

I was talking to a guy during the pour yesterday. He was at a college testing concrete the day before for air conditioner pads on a building that will open in 2024

. Anyone care to explain how that is essential?

Bring back baseball

Ghostvette · 04-17-2020, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ZCanadian

Do what you want, but with the realization that coming out 2 weeks too early means more deaths and shutting down the economy a second time, for longer, with more stimulus spending. Also means (if the above happens) that the US will be behind the rest of the world in terms of economic recovery and the ability to travel freely again. And that many businesses/individuals who are badly hurting now will be lost.

You've (mostly) done a great job it knocking this virus back in the last 2-3 weeks. But it means that for places like NYC the curve is flattening - not going away, but you're getting to the top of the crest of the wave. You need it to go down the other side, or 2,500 deaths a day will be the norm for months to come. Other places are just beginning to see the surge in cases and hospitalizations. Without proper testing (you're at about 1% of the population so far, which is great, but some of those tests are now 5 weeks old and irrelevant anymore) you don't have a good picture as to when it is safe to start moving around again. Even when it is, "free" movement will be impossilbe. There will be a new normal for another 12 to 18 months at least, until a vaccine or cure is found, or there is significant herd immunity from those who have had mild cases.

To do so would mean that every life lost, every penny spent to date, would be in vain.
Maybe to put it in more relevant terms, this is like the first Gulf War. Leaving Saddam Hussein in charge only lead to a second, much worse one. Repeating this folly here, with the mistaken impression that you know more than the experts advising your leaders, will have the same results.

I'm not claiming to know more than the experts, I'm just saying that some governors are using this as carte blanche to trample the rights of the people. I'll make it real simple; A quarantine is for sick people, imprisonment is for healthy people. What we have going on now is imprisonment. There is ample proof that this is not overwhelming the hospitals where I live and several other states. 85%+ of the state of Kansas is rural, and 'social distance' as a matter of course, yet they have maybe 1 case per county. Is that justification to make them stay home? No. In the county where I live, 90% of the cases are in 2 zip codes or one city, Olathe. (Google it.) The demographics of that city are such that the large portion of the population are Hispanic, with about 30% of the Hispanic population being illegals. The illegals probably have a high incident of this because they won't seek health care because they might be asked about their immigration status.

We have a tinpot dictator that pretends she is a governor. She has already stated that she will not comply with the President's recommendations to reopen the state. She wants to see ZERO cases before she will ALLOW the state to conduct business. THAT CANNOT STAND. Nothing in our Constitution says that our rights are vacated in the event of a pandemic. The rights codified in the Constitution are rights granted by our Creator, not the government, a concept I'm not sure you fully grasp. Freedom is dangerous, that is the nature of the beast.

In practical reality, the CCP virus has been around since late November. With the symptoms given; fever, chest congestion, unproductive cough, I've already had this virus. I had it between Christmas & New Year when I was on vacation. There is not this level of hysteria over the annual flu, which kills more people. I question the number of people dying from this, considering NYC said everyone that died had the CCP virus, even though they didn't test them. That's controlling the narrative.....

geeteezee · 04-17-2020, 02:49 PM

lol, you cannot compare deaths from the flu with covid, that's ridiculous. Mortality rates of covid are estimated to be between 2 and 4% while seasonal influenza is below 0.1%.
In addition, the ease of transmission (R0) is higher with covid (2-3) as compared to the flu (1.3). (Yes I realize I'm comparing the flu to covid, lul)

JARblue · 04-17-2020, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghostvette

Nothing in our Constitution says that our rights are vacated in the event of a pandemic.

You have the right to move to another state with mandates in place that you do agree with

04-17-2020, 12:53 PM	#1450 (permalink)
ZCanadian A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: Canada Posts: 1,058 Drives: 2013 370Z Rep Power: 60273	Do what you want, but with the realization that coming out 2 weeks too early means more deaths and shutting down the economy a second time, for longer, with more stimulus spending. Also means (if the above happens) that the US will be behind the rest of the world in terms of economic recovery and the ability to travel freely again. And that many businesses/individuals who are badly hurting now will be lost. You've (mostly) done a great job it knocking this virus back in the last 2-3 weeks. But it means that for places like NYC the curve is flattening - not going away, but you're getting to the top of the crest of the wave. You need it to go down the other side, or 2,500 deaths a day will be the norm for months to come. Other places are just beginning to see the surge in cases and hospitalizations. Without proper testing (you're at about 1% of the population so far, which is great, but some of those tests are now 5 weeks old and irrelevant anymore) you don't have a good picture as to when it is safe to start moving around again. Even when it is, "free" movement will be impossilbe. There will be a new normal for another 12 to 18 months at least, until a vaccine or cure is found, or there is significant herd immunity from those who have had mild cases. To do so would mean that every life lost, every penny spent to date, would be in vain. Maybe to put it in more relevant terms, this is like the first Gulf War. Leaving Saddam Hussein in charge only lead to a second, much worse one. Repeating this folly here, with the mistaken impression that you know more than the experts advising your leaders, will have the same results. FL 4Motion likes this.

04-17-2020, 01:10 PM	#1451 (permalink)
JARblue A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Austin, TX Age: 43 Posts: 36,450 Drives: 11 Z34, 98 E36 M3 Rep Power: 2684440	There are no curves flattening yet. If you actually look at the statistics. Except for China Island nations like Iceland, New Zealand, and Australia are the closest to even seeing the beginnings of a flattening curve. It will take a month or more to see noticeable changes in the statistics if they are indeed flattening. Spooler likes this. __________________ 2011 370Z 6MT Sport Gun Metallic \| ARC \| CJM \| Ecutek \| FI \| Fujimura \| R2C \| SPL \| Stillen \| TWM \| Z1 \| ZSpeed \|

04-17-2020, 01:30 PM	#1452 (permalink)
-ZS-Carpenter A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Illinois Posts: 2,410 Drives: 13 370z 6MT Rep Power: 2684367	If it's ok for me to work, building crap that could wait a month or two, they should be playing baseball Not every single project is truly essential, 75% or more could wait hurting nothing but bank accounts If I have to trudge out there they can go play in empty stadiums. I was talking to a guy during the pour yesterday. He was at a college testing concrete the day before for air conditioner pads on a building that will open in 2024. Anyone care to explain how that is essential? Bring back baseball FL 4Motion, Rusty and Ghostvette like this.

04-17-2020, 02:49 PM	#1454 (permalink)
geeteezee Base Member Join Date: Jun 2019 Location: Ontario Posts: 191 Drives: 19 370z Heritage EAC Rep Power: 3361	lol, you cannot compare deaths from the flu with covid, that's ridiculous. Mortality rates of covid are estimated to be between 2 and 4% while seasonal influenza is below 0.1%. In addition, the ease of transmission (R0) is higher with covid (2-3) as compared to the flu (1.3). (Yes I realize I'm comparing the flu to covid, lul) FL 4Motion, cv129 and ZCanadian like this. __________________

04-16-2020, 04:44 PM	#1443 (permalink)
ZCanadian A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: Canada Posts: 1,058 Drives: 2013 370Z Rep Power: 60273	Instead, we get this...