CoronaVirus

Spooler · 04-03-2020, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ZCanadian

I have to say, the more I see these, the more that i realize how "Fox News" is the ultimate oxymoron.

The USA is not only soaking up all global supply, but also using your defence procurement act to keep domestic production in the country. I don't blame you for the latter especially, although those plants were set up by companies to efficiently supply all of the Americas. By doing so, you are leaving your poor northern cousins in the lurch. But we'll survive. Just don't count on getting maple syrup and back bacon shipments from us any time soon!

In reality, 3M initiated a surge in PPE production back in January at the start of the epidemic in all of its plants worldwide. Bloomberg ran a story on this months ago. This was a plan devised after the SARS outbreak in 2003. They expanded capacity of N95 masks by bringing online all equipment including all idled lines and switch-overs where possible. Chinese plants were slow to come online because of their epidemic and also Lunar New Year, but others hit their marks quickly. That was intended to meet increased global demand. The two US production facilities normally make a combined 35 million masks a month. It is set to hit 50 million in the next few months. Your supply chain would be more than enough in most situations. Unless you want the government to invest in production facilities, you cannot have private enterprise at the ready to react to a once in a generation emergency of global scale! So, when an official who failed at his job by not having enough stocks available, criticizes a company that is doing what companies do, he's just trying to save his own arse!

Boy, did you miss the point.

asht · 04-03-2020, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler

Boy, did you miss the point.

No I didn’t

Just tired of all the political point scoring that politicians are doing instead of banding together and fighting this thing.

We could say Trump had his head in the sand when this came along and now bitches whenever anyone criticises his methods and lies about other things. But what good would that do? It’s already happened? Will it change the vote at the next election? Doubtful.

I wasn’t singling put Americans btw? We in Britain are more alike with our brothers over the pond than many realise.... we just have bitching and moaning down to an art form now

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Spooler · 04-03-2020, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by asht

No I didn’t

Just tired of all the political point scoring that politicians are doing instead of banding together and fighting this thing.

We could say Trump had his head in the sand when this came along and now bitches whenever anyone criticises his methods and lies about other things. But what good would that do? It’s already happened? Will it change the vote at the next election? Doubtful.

I wasn’t singling put Americans btw? We in Britain are more alike with our brothers over the pond than many realise.... we just have bitching and moaning down to an art form now

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Trump has not been perfect by any means. He has done some things right and some things wrong. Hence, the problem with trusting what China sent out. It lead his advisers/CDC astray in the beginning because the data was bunk. The problem with 3M was their distributors keep bumping Florida down the purchasing order because other places were paying cash. That's not right. The USA is not trying to buy all the mask stock up, just get what they need. 3M makes 1 million N95 masks a week.

Chuck33079 · 04-03-2020, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by asht

No I didn’t

Just tired of all the political point scoring that politicians are doing instead of banding together and fighting this thing.

We could say Trump had his head in the sand when this came along and now bitches whenever anyone criticises his methods and lies about other things. But what good would that do? It’s already happened? Will it change the vote at the next election? Doubtful.

I wasn’t singling put Americans btw? We in Britain are more alike with our brothers over the pond than many realise.... we just have bitching and moaning down to an art form now

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For a dude whose country is run by Boris Johnson and a bunch of inbred welfare queens, you sure have a lot of opinions about our country. Trump is a fuckin moron, but your boy Boris makes him look like a goddamn Fulbright Scholar.

asht · 04-04-2020, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

For a dude whose country is run by Boris Johnson and a bunch of inbred welfare queens, you sure have a lot of opinions about our country. Trump is a fuckin moron, but your boy Boris makes him look like a goddamn Fulbright Scholar.

You Americans sure are touchy.

Chill, us Brits just like to take the piss out of everyone even ourselves

To prove. McLaren seriously make poorly made cars

https://youtu.be/H7qpUqwLS9o

But we can reverse engineer and start manufacturing CPAP ventilators in 100 hours. At least Boris took this crisis seriously.

Before you post with a put down. Ask yourself, how many of your fellow Americans are going to die because you couldn’t act fast enough? Why the was the Navy captain fired because he was worried about his crew? And just remember before you launch into another tirade. Most of the people who will die are the forgotten. The ones who cannot afford healthcare. At least our government and country’s population have not and will not forget the less privileged and why we will make sure any trade deal with the US does not include your healthcare companies trying to grab some of the NHS business. Our health and medical service will do just fine without you

You have such a high opinion of yourselves but forget much of what you claim credit for was actually developed outside of the US. Did you know the only American built car to win Le Mans was actually built in England? The drug that turned Pfizer into what it is today was developed in England. You don’t have to worry about shipping us medicines because the top 5 generics companies are either European or Indian with an Israeli company at the top. Speaking of Israel, Intel do much of their processor design there and the smartphone you are using probably has a British designed SoC architecture.

I’ll give you credit for one thing. The US has been great at pissing everyone else off. Obama and Bill Clinton tried to stem that but hey ho you have to live with it I suppose.

I know and get on with a lot of guys from the US, but have no time for the ones who have been brainwashed into thinking they are superior and have a sense of humour that makes the Germans look funny

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MZ DAIZY · 04-04-2020, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by asht

You Americans sure are touchy.

Chill, us Brits just like to take the piss out of everyone even ourselves

To prove. McLaren seriously make poorly made cars

https://youtu.be/H7qpUqwLS9o

But we can reverse engineer and start manufacturing CPAP ventilators in 100 hours. At least Boris took this crisis seriously.

Before you post with a put down. Ask yourself, how many of your fellow Americans are going to die because you couldn’t act fast enough? Why the was the Navy captain fired because he was worried about his crew? And just remember before you launch into another tirade. Most of the people who will die are the forgotten. The ones who cannot afford healthcare. At least our government and country’s population have not and will not forget the less privileged and why we will make sure any trade deal with the US does not include your healthcare companies trying to grab some of the NHS business. Our health and medical service will do just fine without you

You have such a high opinion of yourselves but forget much of what you claim credit for was actually developed outside of the US. Did you know the only American built car to win Le Mans was actually built in England? The drug that turned Pfizer into what it is today was developed in England. You don’t have to worry about shipping us medicines because the top 5 generics companies are either European or Indian with an Israeli company at the top. Speaking of Israel, Intel do much of their processor design there and the smartphone you are using probably has a British designed SoC architecture.

I’ll give you credit for one thing. The US has been great at pissing everyone else off. Obama and Bill Clinton tried to stem that but hey ho you have to live with it I suppose.

I know and get on with a lot of guys from the US, but have no time for the ones who have been brainwashed into thinking they are superior and have a sense of humour that makes the Germans look funny

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LOL!! Megan has as much black in her than Harry has Charles in him. West Virginia Tailer Trash laughs at those two clowns.

Rusty · 04-04-2020, 06:33 PM

Trips gets in here. There will be a deep cleaning in just about every aisle.

asht · 04-04-2020, 06:39 PM

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LOL!! Megan has as much black in her than Harry has Charles in him. West Virginia Tailer Trash laughs at those two clowns.

Well she has had a bit of non Royal ginger in her a few times.

Of course he isn’t Charles’ his slapper of a Mum went round the block a few times and it was the galloping cad James Hewitt.

I appreciate the royal family as they bring tourism into Britain but don’t get why the rest of the world love them so much. Loved Diana so much

Prince Phillip would call everyone a **** if he wasn’t on camera. Andrew ***** underage girls and Edward is a pussy because he loves to wear military uniforms but never earned one

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Rusty · 04-04-2020, 07:11 PM

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Well she has had a bit of non Royal ginger in her a few times.

Of course he isn’t Charles’ his slapper of a Mum went round the block a few times and it was the galloping cad James Hewitt.

I appreciate the royal family as they bring tourism into Britain but don’t get why the rest of the world love them so much. Loved Diana so much

Prince Phillip would call everyone a **** if he wasn’t on camera. Andrew ***** underage girls and Edward is a pussy because he loves to wear military uniforms but never earned one

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To me. The royals are nothing more then a soap opera. What skeleton is going to pop out of the closet next.

Harry and Megwad moved to Canada. Thinking that Canada will pay for their security. Canada said no. So they moved to Hollyweird. Expecting us to pick up the tab. Trump said no. Now I read that Charles will pay for security.

bunk · 04-04-2020, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by asht

You Americans sure are touchy.

Chill, us Brits just like to take the piss out of everyone even ourselves

To prove. McLaren seriously make poorly made cars

https://youtu.be/H7qpUqwLS9o

But we can reverse engineer and start manufacturing CPAP ventilators in 100 hours. At least Boris took this crisis seriously.

Before you post with a put down. Ask yourself, how many of your fellow Americans are going to die because you couldn’t act fast enough? Why the was the Navy captain fired because he was worried about his crew? And just remember before you launch into another tirade. Most of the people who will die are the forgotten. The ones who cannot afford healthcare. At least our government and country’s population have not and will not forget the less privileged and why we will make sure any trade deal with the US does not include your healthcare companies trying to grab some of the NHS business. Our health and medical service will do just fine without you

You have such a high opinion of yourselves but forget much of what you claim credit for was actually developed outside of the US. Did you know the only American built car to win Le Mans was actually built in England? The drug that turned Pfizer into what it is today was developed in England. You don’t have to worry about shipping us medicines because the top 5 generics companies are either European or Indian with an Israeli company at the top. Speaking of Israel, Intel do much of their processor design there and the smartphone you are using probably has a British designed SoC architecture.

I’ll give you credit for one thing. The US has been great at pissing everyone else off. Obama and Bill Clinton tried to stem that but hey ho you have to live with it I suppose.

I know and get on with a lot of guys from the US, but have no time for the ones who have been brainwashed into thinking they are superior and have a sense of humour that makes the Germans look funny

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The only person here claiming the US has "high opinions" of themselves is you.

Nobody is denied Emergency Room access. Our health care system has flaws, mainly due to special interest and Obama Care.
Id rather have care in the US than the Socialized healthcare in the UK.

Stats as of today:

UK

Cases: 41903
Deaths: 4313
Recovered: 135
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/

US

Cases: 311357
Deaths: 8452
Recovered: 14852
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

Which brings me to an earlier point, are you REALLY one of those 135 that has recovered from corona virus in the UK? Troll much?

vtec to vvel · 04-05-2020, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by asht

You Americans sure are touchy.

Chill, us Brits just like to take the piss out of everyone even ourselves

To prove. McLaren seriously make poorly made cars

https://youtu.be/H7qpUqwLS9o

But we can reverse engineer and start manufacturing CPAP ventilators in 100 hours. At least Boris took this crisis seriously.

Before you post with a put down. Ask yourself, how many of your fellow Americans are going to die because you couldn’t act fast enough? Why the was the Navy captain fired because he was worried about his crew? And just remember before you launch into another tirade. Most of the people who will die are the forgotten. The ones who cannot afford healthcare. At least our government and country’s population have not and will not forget the less privileged and why we will make sure any trade deal with the US does not include your healthcare companies trying to grab some of the NHS business. Our health and medical service will do just fine without you

You have such a high opinion of yourselves but forget much of what you claim credit for was actually developed outside of the US. Did you know the only American built car to win Le Mans was actually built in England? The drug that turned Pfizer into what it is today was developed in England. You don’t have to worry about shipping us medicines because the top 5 generics companies are either European or Indian with an Israeli company at the top. Speaking of Israel, Intel do much of their processor design there and the smartphone you are using probably has a British designed SoC architecture.

I’ll give you credit for one thing. The US has been great at pissing everyone else off. Obama and Bill Clinton tried to stem that but hey ho you have to live with it I suppose.

I know and get on with a lot of guys from the US, but have no time for the ones who have been brainwashed into thinking they are superior and have a sense of humour that makes the Germans look funny

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asht, while it's fine to have your opinion about anything and everything, in the event you want to express such opinions, you may want to do it respectfully. US, along with any nation in the world, has its share of issues (NO ONE is arguing this), but for you to flat out bash MY country like that is, at the very least, inappropriate.

I think it's time to register under a different username and start fresh.

ghostvette, has he made it onto the iggy list yet?

Ghostvette · 04-06-2020, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by vtec to vvel

asht, while it's fine to have your opinion about anything and everything, in the event you want to express such opinions, you may want to do it respectfully. US, along with any nation in the world, has its share of issues (NO ONE is arguing this), but for you to flat out bash MY country like that is, at the very least, inappropriate.

I think it's time to register under a different username and start fresh.

ghostvette, has he made it onto the iggy list yet?

Yep.

ZCanadian · 04-03-2020, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler

Boy, did you miss the point.

Only because there was none!

Spooler · 04-03-2020, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ZCanadian

Only because there was none!

Sure was. USA medical professionals were not being sold masks because someone walked up with cash and push their orders down the list. Distributors of 3M were doing this. They were also jacking up the price. I don't think anyone here minds sharing. The problem we have is other folks wanted it ALL first while we get nothing. Not happening.

ZCanadian · 04-04-2020, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Spooler

Sure was. USA medical professionals were not being sold masks because someone walked up with cash and push their orders down the list. Distributors of 3M were doing this. They were also jacking up the price. I don't think anyone here minds sharing. The problem we have is other folks wanted it ALL first while we get nothing. Not happening.

What distributors do, I don’t know. But based on one interview with someone who apparently was asleep at the switch and now is complaining that he couldn’t himself jump the queue to get the supplies that he should have had in hand long before now, I remain unconvinced. Sounds like some American capitalists were doing the same thing to their fellow countrymen that people on this board are pissed off at China for. Ironic, isn’t it?

3M in the USA, though its two plants there that produce the N95 masks, have contracts to supply 3M Canada, which in turn has contracts to supply Canadian governments (health care up here is government run). And I can guarantee you that Canadian governments haven’t come with bribes - people have gone to jail up here for that. I cannot speak for other countries.

The interview turned me off right from the beginning when the anchor said “i want you to say what you told me before”, which is code for “do it just the way we rehearsed it”. It’s just not journalism. Was there an interview with a representative of 3M? Oh wait, yes there was...

https://www.foxbusiness.com/business...from-the-truth

Even from your favourite source. :-)

Look, I have no beef against you, or the US. But the administration’s knee-jerk response has caused an uproar here. Detroit, which is poised to be the next centre for the outbreak, relies on Canadian nurses and doctors who cross the boarder every day. And Michigan will soon call for help the same way that New York did. Normally, Canada would be the first to respond. I think that you know that. But there is a cry here to send those people to Toronto and ignore what might be a humanitarian disaster right next door. Nobody really wants to see that.