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Mortality rates are exaggerated due to the unknown number of infected persons. There are no accurate mortality rates yet, and there won't be any until we start testing people that are asymptomatic en masse.
I can't wait for the anti body test. We can find out that most tradesmen where asymptomatic and had been out spreading it around unchecked since this all started

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Would be nice if the government made decisions to halt required payments on mortgages, vehicle and credit card loans, water and utilities, with payments added to the end of a loan or added pro-rata over future payments.

Begin the conversation for programs for those that won't be able to get back in their jobs prior to the pandemic to address the above in the future.
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This talks more about it. Not a random population, not peered review, not accurate test kits (I am not trusting any biotech from China sorry). It's been 20 years since I did statistics, I think there are red flags all over it. Regardless, let's watch GA open up the bowling alleys bars and restaurants Monday. They will test it out for us. I wish we could just shut the Delta flights coming out of Atlanta


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This talks more about it. Not a random population, not peered review, not accurate test kits (I am not trusting any biotech from China sorry). It's been 20 years since I did statistics, I think there are red flags all over it. Regardless, let's watch GA open up the bowling alleys bars and restaurants Monday. They will test it out for us. I wish we could just shut the Delta flights coming out of Atlanta


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There is a law suit against Delta for not refunding money to people that have cancelled their flights. American Airlines won't refund your money too. We have/had an Alaskan cruise scheduled in Sept. AA won't refund our money for the flight.
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Also read tonight that there is 30 different strains of the virus now. I know before there was 9. The more strains. The harder to make a vaccine.

What gets me. They tell us, no need for a mask until about 2 weeks ago. Now you can't go out without one. I've been working my normal schedule of 5 days a week. I work part time at Home Depot. I'm out in the public. No one at the store is sick or tested positive for the virus. Most us feel that if we was going to get it. We would have had it by now. Our sales numbers are up, and foot traffic has stayed about the same. Starting last Sunday. We limit the number of people into the store to 75 at a time. My county has 67 cases, and 3 dead. 90% of the cases are at a couple of nursing homes. A few are outside of them.
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Also read tonight that there is 30 different strains of the virus now. I know before there was 9. The more strains. The harder to make a vaccine.

What gets me. They tell us, no need for a mask until about 2 weeks ago. Now you can't go out without one. I've been working my normal schedule of 5 days a week. I work part time at Home Depot. I'm out in the public. No one at the store is sick or tested positive for the virus. Most us feel that if we was going to get it. We would have had it by now. Our sales numbers are up, and foot traffic has stayed about the same. Starting last Sunday. We limit the number of people into the store to 75 at a time. My county has 67 cases, and 3 dead. 90% of the cases are at a couple of nursing homes. A few are outside of them.

Whats the total population of your county?
If all can be tested then we can actually see how bad the situation is.
Possibly millions are positive but no symptoms.

Should that be caused for alarm?

Our hospital has 11 positive 8 deaths in the county.

One nursing home alone has 87 cases patients and employees.

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Whats the total population of your county?
If all can be tested then we can actually see how bad the situation is.
Possibly millions are positive but no symptoms.

Should that be caused for alarm?

Our hospital has 11 positive 8 deaths in the county.

One nursing home alone has 87 cases patients and employees.

Im tired of being shotgun target! I want my life back..,,car meets...races...strippers.
There is about 150,000 in my county.
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Also read tonight that there is 30 different strains of the virus now. I know before there was 9. The more strains. The harder to make a vaccine.

What gets me. They tell us, no need for a mask until about 2 weeks ago. Now you can't go out without one. I've been working my normal schedule of 5 days a week. I work part time at Home Depot. I'm out in the public. No one at the store is sick or tested positive for the virus. Most us feel that if we was going to get it. We would have had it by now. Our sales numbers are up, and foot traffic has stayed about the same. Starting last Sunday. We limit the number of people into the store to 75 at a time. My county has 67 cases, and 3 dead. 90% of the cases are at a couple of nursing homes. A few are outside of them.
IIRC, the virus causes the immune system to go into hyper drive, which causes excess build up of fluid in the lungs. Researchers are working on keeping the virus from attacking the immune system so that it doesnt over react. So the different strains would be irrelevant as far as creating a vaccine, all strains of the virus have this in common. I believe its a continuation of the Sars research.
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IIRC, the virus causes the immune system to go into hyper drive, which causes excess build up of fluid in the lungs. Researchers are working on keeping the virus from attacking the immune system so that it doesnt over react. So the different strains would be irrelevant as far as creating a vaccine, all strains of the virus have this in common. I believe its a continuation of the Sars research.

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I’m in NY (upstate, not NYC). NYC has a dangerous situation: massive population density, incompetent leadership, failure to aggressively quarantine early on. My county is largely unaffected. I have been furloughed indefinitely since 3/23. I have called NY department of labor over 200 times a day for 3 weeks now - still can’t get through to complete an unemployment application. Our system is totally overwhelmed.
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It won't surprise me when we find out the covid mortality rate isn't that bad (closer to 1% like influenza) but that something like 90% of the world's population contracted it.
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Would be nice if the government made decisions to halt required payments on mortgages, vehicle and credit card loans, water and utilities, with payments added to the end of a loan or added pro-rata over future payments.

Begin the conversation for programs for those that won't be able to get back in their jobs prior to the pandemic to address the above in the future.
The financial destruction caused by this virus is going to echo longer than the health crisis for the country and the world as a whole.

For better or for worse, there are most likely going to be very serious discussions about he policy directions we as a country want to go in. And what we expect from our elected leaders who are supposed to represent all of our interests are.

I predict at least two topics that will come up, better access to affordable health care and ubi, (universal basic income, which if done correctly appeals to my libertarian streak).


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It won't surprise me when we find out the covid mortality rate isn't that bad (closer to 1% like influenza) but that something like 90% of the world's population contracted it.
Negative, Italy had already proven how bad this really can be, and our mortality rate as well, remember, even if the numbers of survivors goes up, so do the deaths, our accuracy of tracking this virus is similar to seasonal flu stats, we miss shitloads of those cases too, but the sampling gives a decent estimate.

Don’t forget it’s not just about deaths either, it’s about possible permanent health complications for the recovered as well.
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Italy ...

... the sampling gives a decent estimate.

Don’t forget it’s not just about deaths either, it’s about possible permanent health complications for the recovered as well.
First, Italy is not an analogy for any other country in the world. The high numbers of smokers and elderly population make their statistics essentially useless to the rest of the world.

Secondly, the sampling is still mostly useless when it comes to determining statistics. We need to sample a hell of a lot more people. At this point we are still pretty much flying blind and making guesses as to how things are going to go.

Your last statement is going to be the determining factor of how bad this thing really is IMO. There's got to be dozens variations of the virus based on the varied human responses we are seeing. We still have a lot to learn
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First, Italy is not an analogy for any other country in the world. The high numbers of smokers and elderly population make their statistics essentially useless to the rest of the world.

Secondly, the sampling is still mostly useless when it comes to determining statistics. We need to sample a hell of a lot more people. At this point we are still pretty much flying blind and making guesses as to how things are going to go.

Your last statement is going to be the determining factor of how bad this thing really is IMO. There's got to be dozens variations of the virus based on the varied human responses we are seeing. We still have a lot to learn
Fair point about Italy, kinda of was a perfect storm with their population.

I still think we’re going to be looking at around 1% - 2% mortality rate when we finally get good numbers at some point. It’s bad, but it’s still not Ebola bad, if it were, half of us here would be dead by now.

Nevertheless, it’s serious and it’s social disruption factor is off the charts. That aspect may not calm down until there’s a vaccine or everyone just gets used to it, fear of the unknown has def played a big role in this as well.
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