CoronaVirus

MZ DAIZY · 03-24-2020, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by TobinH

because i'm in manufacturing, i have a lot of contact with chinese citizens and people in industry.

additionally, thousands of canadians were in china until quite recently, many of them giving interviews to the CBC daily.

additionally additional, literally millions of chinese citizens are active across various social media platforms, giving easy access to their personal experiences.

everything you're saying is such obvious nonsense, and so easily disproved with even an accidental level of exposure to any of the huge mass of available information, that it really makes me wonder why you would choose to believe it.

Yea, EVERYONE knows it started with some dude eating a bat.

Zingston · 03-24-2020, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by MZ DAIZY

Yea, EVERYONE knows it started with some dude eating a bat.

I have voluntarily given up eating bat products as a result.

Who knew???

FPenvy · 03-24-2020, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by MZ DAIZY

Yea, EVERYONE knows it started with some dude eating a bat.

.....from a market less than 20 miles from a virus center containing the virus.

Ghostvette · 03-24-2020, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by TobinH

because i'm in manufacturing, i have a lot of contact with chinese citizens and people in industry.

additionally, thousands of canadians were in china until quite recently, many of them giving interviews to the CBC daily.

additionally additional, literally millions of chinese citizens are active across various social media platforms, giving easy access to their personal experiences.

everything you're saying is such obvious nonsense, and so easily disproved with even an accidental level of exposure to any of the huge mass of available information, that it really makes me wonder why you would choose to believe it.

Not to be argumentative, but do you really believe anything coming out of China, given the level of propaganda that the CCP puts out? The Chinese social media is heavily censored, what you might have seen may or may not have been manipulated.

The facts say otherwise. Wuhan is the home of a Level 4 Bioweapons facility. SARS, MERS and now this virus all originated in Wuhan during their specific start times. Isn't it the least bit odd that neither SARS or MERS has reappeared, yet now we have another coronavirus from the same family as those two, appearing? Occam's Razor applies; the most obvious solution is the correct one.

Spooler · 03-24-2020, 02:05 PM

Some of you guys are reaching. We don't have any facts, just speculation. We will never know the truth of what happened. The Dr's that could tell us some information are dead.
Do I trust the Chinese government, Heck NO!!!!

TobinH · 03-24-2020, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghostvette

Not to be argumentative, but do you really believe anything coming out of China, given the level of propaganda that the CCP puts out? The Chinese social media is heavily censored, what you might have seen may or may not have been manipulated.

The facts say otherwise. Wuhan is the home of a Level 4 Bioweapons facility. SARS, MERS and now this virus all originated in Wuhan during their specific start times. Isn't it the least bit odd that neither SARS or MERS has reappeared, yet now we have another coronavirus from the same family as those two, appearing? Occam's Razor applies; the most obvious solution is the correct one.

do I trust what comes out of the ccp? state owned media is easily identified. just... don't read it. talk to actual chinese people. why do people act as if it's impossible to know what's going on in china? tens of thousands of people? maybe more? go there on business every year. there are millions of chinese people scattered across dozens of social media sites, several of which are well beyond the control of China. just literally ask them. follow chinese people on twitter if you like. why would you choose these obscure conspiratorial sources over just asking chinese people? if fox news told you your neighbour's home was burning down, and your neighbour pointed to it and said 'uhhh no, it isn't', would you call him a liar?

Wuhan is a manufacturing centre with over 10 million people. it's the home of every kind of facility.

the idea that 'occam's razor' suggests that tens of millions of people are lying to cover up the chinese government's attempt to kill their own people and destroy their own economy is stretching the terms involved well past their breaking point.

oh, and neither 'classic' SARS nor MERS originated in Wuhan. instead of reading these wild conspiracy theories, you could just spend 15 minutes on google.

Zingston · 03-24-2020, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler

Some of you guys are reaching. We don't have any facts, just speculation. We will never know the truth of what happened. The Dr's that could tell us some information are dead.
Do I trust the Chinese government, Heck NO!!!!

"Do I trust ANY GOVERNMENT, heck no!!!"

Ghostvette · 03-24-2020, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler

Some of you guys are reaching. We don't have any facts, just speculation. We will never know the truth of what happened. The Dr's that could tell us some information are dead.
Do I trust the Chinese government, Heck NO!!!!

Unfortunately Spooler, you are correct, we will never know for sure what happened in Wuhan. Through the people I know and trust, I've been paying attention to this since late November, and what they know is definitely not being reported in MSM. The little that has escaped has been rapidly 'lost' or buried. What is more frightening to see is that many people in the US so willingly gave up their liberty for 'security'.

FPenvy · 03-24-2020, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler

Some of you guys are reaching. We don't have any facts, just speculation. We will never know the truth of what happened. The Dr's that could tell us some information are dead.
Do I trust the Chinese government, Heck NO!!!!

i look at it like this. it sucks. period.

however, biolab with all these viruses is right by ground zero. little too convenient.

our market is crashing severely. china took a smaller market hit and is rebounding. also little odd.

virus doesnt act like normal viruses and is contagious very early compared to other viruses.

attacks the weak.

if it walks and quacks like a duck....lol

Ghostvette · 03-24-2020, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by TobinH

do I trust what comes out of the ccp? state owned media is easily identified. just... don't read it. talk to actual chinese people. why do people act as if it's impossible to know what's going on in china? tens of thousands of people? maybe more? go there on business every year. there are millions of chinese people scattered across dozens of social media sites, several of which are well beyond the control of China. just literally ask them. follow chinese people on twitter if you like. why would you choose these obscure conspiratorial sources over just asking chinese people? if fox news told you your neighbour's home was burning down, and your neighbour pointed to it and said 'uhhh no, it isn't', would you call him a liar?

Wuhan is a manufacturing centre with over 10 million people. it's the home of every kind of facility.

the idea that 'occam's razor' suggests that tens of millions of people are lying to cover up the chinese government's attempt to kill their own people and destroy their own economy is stretching the terms involved well past their breaking point.

oh, and neither 'classic' SARS nor MERS originated in Wuhan. instead of reading these wild conspiracy theories, you could just spend 15 minutes on google.

Sorry, but you are incorrect and my sources are much better than Google.

NeverBoneStck · 03-24-2020, 02:44 PM

The virus is Mother Nature at her finest. Wet Markets are all over the world. Until countries get them under control Mother Nature will continue to get rid of her fleas.

FPenvy · 03-24-2020, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by NeverBoneStck

The virus is Mother Nature at her finest. Wet Markets are all over the world. Until countries get them under control Mother Nature will continue to get rid of her fleas.

soooooo get rid of china? lol

NeverBoneStck · 03-24-2020, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by FPenvy

soooooo get rid of china? lol

Why not? Most of this crap comes from them.

FPenvy · 03-24-2020, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by NeverBoneStck

Why not? Most of this crap comes from them.

SARS, MERS, bird flu, etc...

you aint wrong.

TobinH · 03-24-2020, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by FPenvy

SARS, MERS, bird flu, etc...

you aint wrong.

the last 'bird flu' outbreak happened in Minnesota. MERS happened in Saudi Arabia... the ME literally stands for 'middle east'.

03-24-2020, 02:05 PM	#845 (permalink)
Spooler A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Ga Posts: 13,834 Drives: 2013 Nismo 370z Rep Power: 2684392	Some of you guys are reaching. We don't have any facts, just speculation. We will never know the truth of what happened. The Dr's that could tell us some information are dead. Do I trust the Chinese government, Heck NO!!!! FL 4Motion, cossie1600, NeverBoneStck and 3 others like this.

03-24-2020, 02:44 PM	#851 (permalink)
NeverBoneStck A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Beaverton, Or Posts: 1,110 Drives: 2008 G37 S Rep Power: 18	The virus is Mother Nature at her finest. Wet Markets are all over the world. Until countries get them under control Mother Nature will continue to get rid of her fleas. __________________ Juiced! That is all you need to know !!