Absolutely. That company is working with Cedar Sinai (I used to work for them..woo! lol) on that research.
But going back to Trumps comments being held as medical advice...well, if you are taking medical advice from ANY President (ie,ingesting aquarium cleaner, even though Trump did not mention aquarium cleaner), then I think youve got bigger problems.

He’s the leader of the free world, saying whatever he wants about whatever he wants. To have random internet commentary say “you shouldn’t be listening to the President, he’s not a doctor” is a problem. Where are HIS experts following up behind him to clarify what should be trusted as fact vs bogus vs sarcasm....

And please inform me about what the administration has done properly during this time?

It's not the total numbers you should be looking at, it's the rate of infection, which is much higher than the flu. Add to that the higher mortality rate.

Personally - I don't think any Prez would be prepared to handle this. Since this virus is a 'moving target'; information is being changed by the day. To me, Trump's handlers have to keep him from talking and going off on tangents; we all see that he is trying to project leadership yet contradicts what the 'experts' are saying. The spit balling should be done within his own inner circle - not during a press conference. At this time - it's best to just let the experts talk and try to come up with a game plan about how we will open up the country.

As for opening up the country - personally I think we can't wait for a vaccine - bc projections in EU are like mid September - if we continue to just stay inside the economy will be crushed; I don't know what the answer is but I thought I saw a report that they project that 1/4 in NYC have been exposed and probably had it etc. Sweden is doing the whole 'herd mentality' and i might be wrong - but i thought our percentages were similar to theirs?

This is concerning.....

And, there is some immunity to "normal" influenza, plus anyone who is in a vulnerable group or wishes to do so, can get a flu immunization. There is no vaccine for Coronavirus as yet.


Going to correct you on one thing here.

US administration cuts and a certain President’s inability to govern have left key positions in the Department of Homeland Security and ODNI either vacant or filled with a string of temporary or un-confirmed people. His political war against China has caused a bigger rift between your two nations than at any time since the end of the Cold War, resulting in a spectacular lack of cooperation and communication. No coherent transportation or immigration polices could be created in response to Covid-19 because the heads or deputy directors of CBP, ICE and TSA are past their statutory 220 day limit for Senate confirmations. So it's not just the experience or qualifications of those in charge, but not actually HAVING people in charge in some cases, that is troubling.

The same is true of almost every federal agency tasked with keeping Americans safe and working.

To top it off, the CDC chose not to re-fill the position of an embedded senior epidemiologist in China after the last doctor quit in July of 2019. That person would have been uniquely placed to get the earliest word of the growing crisis to Washington. Meanwhile, there is a division of military intelligence responsible for monitoring outbreaks around the world, but it seems that they (don’t worry, their Canadian counterparts were just as negligent) didn’t think or have the working connections to get the information out to public health officials. Or maybe they did, as your SIC Chairman seemed to be able to unload imperilled stock and warn his best supporters about the severity of the coming pandemic while his President was still saying it would all go away “like a miracle”. No wonder he is now casting aspersions on the WHO to try to throw people of the scent!

And that's just what I know of, as an outsider.

Blame certainly does not rest on any one person's shoulders.
No question that every move comes under scrutiny, and that there is a huge difference between making important decisions regarding the future in a partial vacuum, and armchair quarterbacking them with the benefit of hindsight.

But sometimes a crisis is caused or worsened by the actions which precede it as well as by those taken to address it.

And it is in situations like these, that the true mettle of leaders is exposed.

Does it hurt to wish for a Churchill or FDR right about now?

Sounds like a win/win to me, haha. I couldn't watch any more after that line.

Also, many don't take into account social distancing, plus the myriad of other steps taken to combat this virus. All of this prevention yet we're still seeing higher transmission and mortality rates with Covid as compared to the flu.

I definitely agree, the 'experts' will have hindsight to then tell us and the Prez what they did right/wrong. But in the end, we are doing what we feel is best. For me, I just wish Trump would stop with all the tweets about 'Fighting for your liberation' and the spit balling within the conference.

Its like 'you have experts who you can turn to'; just do that and if it goes sideways - people will blame the experts, not the Prez for problem since it would only make sense to trust those that are smarter/experts. Like they say, you never WANT to be the SMARTEST man in the room when it comes to things that you are not aware of how it works etc.

As for wishing for a FDR or Churchill - yeah, that would be nice haha. To me the sad thing is that there is so much dissension and mistrust of the govt, the media etc - that we can't all get on the same page and try to be ONE nation instead of fragments and 'groups'. I swear its like we are cheering our own sports team against our hated rival -- not realizing that everything that is done affects us ALL (we're all on the same boat). Well 'off the soap box, sorry haha'; I just can't wait for this sh!t to be over with and things go back to 'somewhat normal' (whatever that is).

Not Elon Musk getting arsenal?


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Did you watch the video I posted earlier? If you cant have an open mind to other ideas and just dismiss them, then there is no conversation.

Was that the 2 doctors from California? I didn't get a chance to unfortunately, and it's since been taken down. From what I've read, their statistics are quite skewed however.

Yeah, censorship. They got their statistics directly from CDC. Do you wonder WHY it was taken down? :shakes head:

Pretty succinct, I believe:

“The American College of Emergency Physicians (ACEP) and the American Academy of Emergency Medicine (AAEM) jointly and emphatically condemn the recent opinions released by Dr. Daniel Erickson and Dr. Artin Massihi. These reckless and untested musings do not speak for medical societies and are inconsistent with current science and epidemiology regarding COVID-19.”

EDIT: Their math is f'ed up big time. I hope that they are better doctors than they are statisticians!!!
I don't think it's a surprise why the post was pulled.

BTW, if you kill all of the law enforcement in a state, you have a much better chance of not being arrested. Similarly flawed argument. Also should be taken down if it ever comes up for real.

It was taken down because it's ridiculous. Laughable if it weren't for the seriousness of the topic.

Really? You haent even seen it yet dismiss it as such???
Yeah, your comment is EXACTLY whats wrong with todays society.
:facepalm:

He, and I, dismissed it on the evidence of people who know more facts on the matter than the three of us together. Or did you not read our posts? THAT is what is wrong with society!

I did manage to find parts of it, and a report on it. Which is what I based my opinion on.

What's more the joint statement from The American College of Emergency Physicians (ACEP) and the American Academy of Emergency Medicine (AAEM) is pretty clear. Or do you think that they didn't see it either???

I havent seen the report so I cant comment on it. What gets me is that the common flu has reached 'pandemc' levels before, yet there was no shelter in place. Hundreds of thousands if not millions of citizens in the US alone are being ruined financially. Families are struggling to find their next meal. Alot of small businesses closing their doors. Is the USNS Mercy or USNS Comfort (before it was decided it wasnt needed in NYC) at full capacity?

Yup, many millions, probably billions around the world are feeling the same pain. Many, many of them a lot worse off than us.

Here's the full report - if you care to waste an hour of your life. I'll readily admit that I did not see the whole thing, nor have I any wish to.

https://newtube.app/user/anthony/GlkxUvo

Report about it from everyone's favourite conspiracy theory rag:
https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2020/...ng-of-country/

And the statement again, from people who know the facts better than me (and I suspect you or most of us here), which likely had the first part of the press conference removed from YouTube (the second half is still up on that platform):

“The American College of Emergency Physicians (ACEP) and the American Academy of Emergency Medicine (AAEM) jointly and emphatically condemn the recent opinions released by Dr. Daniel Erickson and Dr. Artin Massihi. These reckless and untested musings do not speak for medical societies and are inconsistent with current science and epidemiology regarding COVID-19.”

Bunk, do you just take everything off the conservative websites? I understand you might not want to get it from the super liberal sites, but can it be any other outside of the conservative talking points? Geez

political

We are in the USA. We have the 1st Amendment. Folks can say whatever they want for the most part unless they threaten someone's life. Even if I don't agree with them, they have a right to free speech.
That was my point with all of this and some of you guys completely missed it.

Nope. I can also ask you if you take everything Don Lemon says to heart. Im willing to hear all sides, theres a ton of folks on your side that seem to just shut down everything that do not agree with their views.

Here are my views. I do not know anyone personally, nor friends of friends, that has so much contracted the virus, and I work in the medical field. They had set up a Virus testing tent outside of the office I work at. Yesterday, there were NO people getting tested in the 2 hours I was there.

But I DO know many people who are out of work and struggling to make ends meet.

I hate liberals and conservatives equally, you do know there are people who are not on both sides right?

I'm so sick of this thread now. It's gotten too political. So here it is. What ever the right says. The left WILL always try to shut it fvcking down. So here's my answer to that. You don't like tough tittes.

Of course. Sorry if I lumped you with one group..

Being in the middle is a bitch unless it is with a women on each side.

Your First Amendment means that they can post it themselves without the fear of GOVERNMENT prosecution, retribution, or censorship.

So they, you (or I, were I American) are entitled to voice our opinions, regardless of how uninformed they might be.

But is an independent business required to repeat it? YouTube is not a government (although it can act like one sometimes).

I'm sure that the terms and conditions of YouTube have been tested by now. Not that I (or anyone that I know) have actually read them.

Anecdotal.

There is a couple of law suits going through the courts right now against youtube for violating gov't regs.

It’s a bitch because we have to take dumb people with no individual thinking on either side. Both sides think they are the majority, but they just happened to bitch the most. It’s the same talking points over and over. Give me a break. Reminds me of team America world police

One was decided by an appellate court in February - in favour of YouTube.

https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-conte...ent-ruling.pdf

In a unanimous opinion, the three judges of the 9th circuit wrote:
"PragerU's claim that YouTube censored PragerU's speech faces a formidable threshold hurdle: YouTube is a private entity. The Free Speech Clause of the First Amendment prohibits the government—not a private party—from abridging speech."

Your Supreme Court has also ruled that:
"merely hosting speech by others is not a traditional, exclusive public function and does not alone transform private entities into state actors subject to First Amendment constraints."

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinion...-1702_h315.pdf

And back to an easier line of discussion...

Youtube is doing a pretty good job at suppressing the voices against the CCP, there is talking of a class action against them.

I’m all for the First Amendment.

But using propaganda to spin opinion as fact is the issue. This is why there is confusion when Trump speaks and follows up saying that he was being sarcastic. Many people are looking to him to be serious and his words and meanings to be based on facts. And especially when Fox News works so hard to convey the meaning of the president when he speaks, to only have him follow up and contradict.

But how many “news stories” from the prime time talking heads start with “It is my/our opinion that...”

What would the basis of the argument be (and I'm not saying that they are not suppressing comments - just asking how is that lawsuitworthy behaviour?)?

At least the good ones preface their opinions with an explanation that they are such!

Too many don't.

EDIT or is that what you meant?

I believe they are going for unfair practice and bias (which is not the same as fake news). Basically they have been demonetizing videos that are against the CCP under the name of WHO, but people have found that not to be the case. It appears they started doing that even before the WHO came out for China. Actually I need to stop my premium subscription with those jokers too, the company went from do no evil to be like Facebook.

Yes. It’s called an opinion piece and should be blatantly labeled as such. I’m thinking the way they “get around” this is by naming the show after the person:

Hannity
Tucker Carlson Tonight
Rachel Maddow Show
Coumo Primetime
The Real Story with Gretchen Carlson
Lou Dobbs Tonight
America’s Newsroom with Sandra Smith and Ed Henry
The Ingraham Angle
Anderson Cooper 360

Both sides do it.

When that becomes your go to source for all information on a given subject, we run into education and information problems.

The sad part some people think they are primary source of information. Once people get on one side, the talking points all become the same. You disagree with them and they think you are on the other side automatically.