CoronaVirus

ZCanadian

Keep in mind that US numbers have been questioned as well. And with only a little over 1% of the population having been tested, the true picture is not yet known.

Our numbers are not any clearer here. Many locations including Canada are testing largely on suspicion (for diagnosis), not the general population. Only small countries and the very rich (Gulf States) have tested better than 10% of their people.

In Italy, between the chaos and the fact that anyone not confirmed as Coronavirus positive before death did not make the count, has lead some health officials to suggest that the final death toll could be 4x the current count. Let me just repeat that - there might have been upwards of 4,000 people a day dying of this in Italy at the peak.

The biggest takeaway from up here is to protect your most vulnerable. Race is likely not (directly) a factor, but age and prior health appear to be. Lock down your nursing homes, lobby that their staff do not also work at multiple homes or hospitals, and isolate your vulnerable loved ones. These are the dry tinder stoking this fire, that even social distancing cannot help.

cossie1600

Oh yeah, I am not saying the general rate. I am simply saying the virus is not racist, it will hit every human. The older male demo do seem to be hit the hardest, so boomers, watch out.

The nursing part is sad. My boss' mom is in assisted living, which is close to a nursing home. I asked if they were put in a lockdown, she said you just have to sign a waiver to check her in and out. I am like what if my boss was a carrier and she gave it to her mom. Her mom can wipe the entire population out! Do they not know you can be a carrier without symptoms.
It's bizarre.

ZCanadian

My father is in a home, in his 90's with Parkinson's. I live that fear.

They locked down 3+ weeks ago (and screened for a couple of weeks before that, but the screening was not useful). And the government has changed rules so that the staff cannot move from home to home anymore. As we haven't seen the surge in hospitalizations expected (yet), they have diverted medical staff to help at homes (as where you are, elective surgeries have been cancelled, freeing up nurses).

So far no cases in his nursing home, but 29 others in my province do, with lots of dead. Still, the management has sent a letter home that basically says "prepare for the worst". Treatment of the elderly and frail is not effective, and hospitals have said that they will refuse nursing home transfers if they are under strain. So far, that hasn't happened here either. Fingers crossed.

Rusty

Tell you what happened in the nursing homes, and why they get hit so hard. Family member comes into a nursing home with the virus before SHTF. Infects family member in the home. They get sick and the nursing home sending them to the hospital. Hospital keeps them for a few days and ships them back to the nursing home. Now the whole nursing home is infected. This happened at the nursing home that my sister inlaw works at.

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Rusty

Look at it this way. Mother nature doing some house cleaning. Darwinism at work. Thinning out the heard. Don't care on what side the fence you sit on politically. This virus is taking lives. How many, who knows. Won't find out for at least 2 years after most of the studies are done. We really don't know if this virus is any worse then other ones. It's to early to tell. Do know that some ARE trying to taken advantage of this.

I can see why people are up in arms over the lock down. In my county. We have 66 cases, and 3 deaths. Only a handful of business are open. People are laid off and are about to lose they homes. I be up set too. If you never been close to losing you home. STFU! My neighbor to the right of me. School teacher, wife is a nurse. Neither have worked since this started. Plus they have 3 girls in college. Neighbor to the left. Works in the steel mill. Working 3 days a week now. Wife's hours cut back to 18 hrs a week. 2 kids in college. The boy broke his collar bone Saturday. There people are fvcking worried if they will have a home in June.

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Spooler

This is what I worry so much about. Lives are being ruined by financial demise. It's time to go back to work and let the cards fall where they may. People are going to die but the other result is way way worse.

redondoaveb

What I think is amazing is that there are around 3 million grocery store workers and only 40 deaths and 1500 infected. I would have thought they would have been the hardest hit with their exposure to the general public.

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Rusty

I agree.

Before anyone else chims in. If you ain't losing your house or close to it. SHFU! You have no clue. People WANT to go back to work. LET them. Barrel of oil hit 1 cent for a barrel of West Texas crude today. Do any of you know how people just lost their jobs over that? It's going to take years, if not decades to get back where we was.

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Spooler

If you guys want to see what the Great Depression was like you may get that chance. If we don't go back to work, that will be what happens is my guess. It will make the downward turn in 2008-2009 look like a walk in the park.

cossie1600

You cant say that without explaining what would happen after 5% of the population get sick. Restaurants will Slowly close down, factories will close. You get a month worth of extra pay and then you have to shut down? You could argue we can do it like Taiwan and Korea where people work with gloves and masks, except China took all the supplies and we outsourced everything.

I am supporting my laid off parents and paying my nanny, so yes I am getting dragged into it too.

I was in HR/Payroll in my previous role. If your company isn't a cash rich corporation, 5% of your workforce calling out sick will pretty much force you to close the company. Remember most insurance require the employer to pay for some days before STD kicks in. Since the virus has a Ro rate of higher than 1, the more employees you have infected, the more they spread to other employees. You are going to run out of money from just sick pays alone. God forbid they file a lawsuit against for wrongful death, you are going to be f-ed.

Spooler

What are you going to do when you can't do that? When you get to that point, you will change your tune.

Spooler

Better yet, when you get to the point that you can't afford food. Your kids are hungry and crying. The virus won't matter, you will just want to go back to work. That is where we are headed.

cv129

We are caught between a rock and a hard place

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DLSTR

No modern society is close to that reality. Africa yes. Europe, Asia and US not close. 2 more weeks etc of lock down would not and will not end the world. From the things i read most people in major countries respect and support social distancing and closure to gain control of the pandemic.

When your child gains the virus and dies when its preventable than you might think differently. Science is the answer to this situation not politics. Read the history of 1918 pandemic. The answers and techniques used worked and do today. Its science not fear mongering.

Spooler

Yes we are.