Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3820894)

Everyone voted for the lesser of two evils. The choices the last election were horrible. I hope we have a better choice next election.

Originally Posted by JLarson (Post 3820885)

This is a pretty great summary. It doesn't help that Health Care is such a huge issue to tackle. I have no doubt if the Republicans really had a better platform, they'd have unveiled it, but short of cutting coverage (again) for people with pre-existing conditions, you're not going to cut the cost of health care, and you're not going to stop the costs from rising, unless you make some pretty aggressive moves elsewhere in the sector. Right now a massive portion of the cost of healthcare goes into administration and advertising (up to 25% and 15%, respectively). Eliminating that is very tricky to do. Chronic illnesses such as diabetes and heart disease have also increased - responsible for as much as 85% of health care costs for spending that actually goes towards providing care.

Sickest 5% of the population are 50% of the total health care cost. Blows my mind.

Originally Posted by JLarson (Post 3820860)

He's a total idiot, and we are all the worse for having him as president, even if he occasionally gets things right.



I wasn't for Obama either though, or GW, so that's just my 2 cents.

Originally Posted by jwick (Post 3820907)

Bush Sr was our last qualified president. Since then we’ve had basically career politicians and Trump, who’s only claim is at least it isn’t Hillary.

Originally Posted by Ghostvette (Post 3820909)

Well... maybe HW was qualified. I quit voting for a Presidential candidate in the election featuring Clinton, Perot & Bush Sr. Change doesn't come from the top, it starts in the communities we live in. :tup:

Originally Posted by jwick (Post 3820897)

I still think when you are born they should chriofreeze your nuts. Only once you reach adulthood and verified that you are a contributing member of society do they give them back to you so you can procreate.

Originally Posted by JLarson (Post 3820889)

True. Norway is fantastic, but conversely it's an ultra-PC culture. Switzerland is also amazing, but very pricey to live there (of course the average income there is also much higher). I'd consider living in either of those countries.

Originally Posted by JLarson (Post 3820898)

They're definitely tall! My brother's wife is 6'0, and she's the shortest of her sisters.

Originally Posted by Rusty (Post 3820916)

Their society is slowly falling apart. The influx of Muslims is draining their health care and a number of other things. Pretty soon the Muslims will out number the native population.

Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3820921)

we need to go visit...........:stirthepot:

Originally Posted by JLarson (Post 3820924)

It's some of the most beautiful countryside I've ever seen, period. The people are also incredible. It's almost a totally fit populace, at least in the areas I visited (Bergen and Norheimsund).

Originally Posted by Ghostvette (Post 3820904)

I have an idea about why diabetes and heart disease have increased, Americans eat like they live on a farm, but don't do farm level work. I travel a little bit (not near as much as onzedge) but what I've observed is that the average American is carting around 50 -75 pounds (or more) than what is healthy. We have gotten out of the habit of fixing our own meals from scratch because we work 10-12 hours a day to keep up with the Jones'. Health care is a service derived from someone's labor. You don't have a right to the fruits of my labor... :twocents: