Is Nissan retiring the Z after 2018

Erob

So I came across this article and thought I would pass it along. In my younger years I owned a 260Z, sold it, the Z eventually disappeared and then emerged again to much excitement. I bought a 370Z last year and have loved driving it. Now there is discussion it might be going away again. Time will tell I guess.


https://www.motorauthority.com/news/...-might-be-dead

Jayhovah

A Nismo Leaf? Really?

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Erob

Oh stop it!! The Leaf !!! LOL.

MaysEffect

Its been dead since 2015 when they canceled any further development. They're just keeping up production since its relatively cheap.

Larso1

I say just live for today, enjoy your Z now and don't worry about it not keeping up with other brands, because pure electric motivation is coming quick and everything else now (like Acura NSX , Corvette, Mustang, Camaro, etc., etc., you name it) will become obsolete. When they do suddenly hit the market in the next 10 years or so, everyone will want one. GM has
already said they're committed to going all electric. I read an automotive article suggesting 2018 may be the last year for the Corvette because very little has been said by GM about it's future. There has been talk for several years suggesting it will become a mid engine design. But why should they invest all those development resources into something that will last for only a few years. When it finally goes electric (if it's still around as a "Vette"), the motors will be at each wheel. The change is coming people, and it's coming fast! The all electric Chevy Bolt is a top pick for best small CUV by Motor Week, among others. And the Tesla Model S with "Ludicrous" setting is 0.2sec. quicker 0 to 60 then the '17 Corvette ZO6 with 650hp. And its a 4 door sedan!

MaysEffect

Coming...its here! The fastest cars on and off track are all hybrids or electric powered and have been for a few years now.

Electric will never fully replace I.C.E's, but they will replace a fair amount of the market. Reducing C02 emissions in city areas has massive economic implications for everyone, never mind on a social level. More than likely, the remaining exotic sports cars will all be hybrids at the very least by 2025. I find this to be a better overall package anyways.

If Nissan was serious about replacing all its normal ecobox cars with i.c.e's with electric motors, they need to do it now. My cousin bought a POS versa a few years ago and the engine is absolute dog schit and its falling apart. She doesn't know a single thing about car maintenance or engines, and it's not just her. There are several people like her that need a simple electric car for commuting with no hassle maintenance. The only remaining caveat about electric cars now is range and charge time compared to refueling. This isn't even really a problem considering you can technically charge a battery anywhere.

I'd love to see Nissan/Infiniti replace all these boring cheap I4 engines with electric motors, as long as the produce a bullet proof sport engine for the remaining sport cars like the Z and Gt-r.

Allow us petrolheads to have the pure sport engines at a lower cost instead of these half-arsed engines that are adopted over several chassis.

Larso1

Well, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that last point. There really is no upside to continuing with the i.c.e. I mean....multiple reciprocating parts and pieces in a device (gas pump) that was invented in the 18th century? And must run on some type of carbon based fuel? Nah. There's an all electric model (can't remember make and model) thats on the market now that gets over 300 miles per charge. Battery development is moving quickly. Photo-voltaic cells are getting more efficient and electric power generation will become cheaper.

MaysEffect

Battery range is based on battery capacity. Longer range is ultimately higher weight compared too a similar or greater range of a i.c.e engine with less fuel load. Gas engines are significantly more efficient than engines made back in the 18th century. Thats a horrible argument considering electric motors & batteries were around in the 18th century and have gone through similar advancements. I. C. E engines are still the most effective over distance and time.

And contrary to this age old argument of advancements in photovoltaic and battery technology. The efficiency in either hasn't increased much in over a decade. Just the rampant growth in usage has increased. The efficiency has come in the way of production and implementation. Not the chemistry.

MaysEffect

And hydrocarbon/ethanol fuels still have one of the greatest energy densities on the market. Thus the reason ice engines have reigned Supreme over such a long time.

Zoren 370

While I agree Change is the only permanent thing in this word. I certainly believe ICE engines as engineers call it now. The last time I heard they call it carbureted engines lol I guess that gives away my age. It would take a lot of money hungry politicians to pass a law completely banning petrol gas powered cars. As far as GM is concerned Corvette is a separate segment or dividion, more so like (the GTR for Nissan or M cars for BMW).

Corvette represents American muscle car heritage there is still a bigger segment of baby boomers and serior American cater to the brand. I may agree that the majority of their portfolio would be on electric cars as future younger generations would probably cater to it as much they favor their iphones, electronic gadgets...plus the government initiative to give discounts to electric cars vs gas guzzlers tax.

I dont think all the muscle cars you mentioned would eventually be obsolete, they might offer a hybrid but that would only be a nitch market for the affluent.

Like I said the money hungry politicians and the Shiek of Saudi Arabia and the likes of the Bush's in Texas. They would still need to feed their hunger for more wealth to ban completely petrol engines.

But If does happens I will be glad that Im no longer in that generation of this world. Im happy for today. I let the future worry for itself.

Zoren 370

And to you MaysEffect I enjoy reading your post you seem so knowledge with cars and motor racing history. I like the way you do your write up and choices of vocabulary. You can have a career in motor car journalism too!

A compliment from a petrol head almost 2x your age. cheers!

Erob

The battery replacement cost for most current electric vehicles puts them in a category of not affordable for most people. The manufacturer stated cost of battery replacement for a Tesla is approximately $12,000, however, after further reading the actual cost is reported to be between $30,000 - $40,000. Since I do not own one I'm not sure of accuracy of this report but it is worth consideration if you're interested in buying one. Also, the common number for battery replacement seems to be around 8 years. What are people going to do if they don't want to pay for a new battery pack, keep it for 7 years and trade it in for a new one? Therefore keeping a perpetual monthly car payment? No for me. I prefer debt free. And Yes, if you can afford a Tesla you can probably afford to replace the battery pack but again the majority of the population cannot. I'm all for owning an electric car but for me they have a long way to go. I realize most manufacturers want to jump on the band wagon since it is obvious this is the future of vehicles, BUT, there must be a balance. So hopefully good ole fashioned gas powered sports cars will not be abandoned for some time. They (manufacturers) still need to dance with the one that brung'em.

SouthArk370Z

As more and more EVs are made and sold, the price of batteries should drop. Economy of scale.

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Erob

I'm sure you are absolutely correct SouthArk, it's like every other new technology that has been introduced through the years. The price starts out high and decreases with time, however, with the ease of information access these days most people can quickly figure out the cost comparison of operating a gas car to an electric car over an 8 year period. Currently the replacement of a battery pack, from most manufacturers, exceeds the cost of operating a gas car over the same time period. So as long as this is the case most people will buy the gas car. So the pressure is on development of a more cost efficient battery replacement pack OR a battery pack that costs the same as it does now but the replacement time frame is greater...... and is equal to the cost of operating a gas powered vehicle during the same time frame. Once that happens then new gas powered cars will disappear.

Zoren 370

Ok has anyone of you guys watched E-Formula races?

Did any of you guys actually enjoyed watching it? Honestly
I fell asleep 30 mins after the green light!

I’ll rather watch Nickelodeon with my kid!! Lol