Recommand Cold Air Intake
 

Hello guys

I'm looking for cold air between stillen gen 3 and greddy air intake. Which one should I get and give me a reason. What is the big difference and which one gain more HP and better airflow.

Thanks

Stillen G3


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Call Jason Vogel at AAM. he gave me a screaming deal on their intake which is just like the Stillen minus the cutting.

Whichever you feel like paying for. You really need to cut the radiator support to maximize airflow. It is a requirement on the Stillen G3 install and optional on the Greddy/Takeda Stage II. However I recommend you do the same for the Greddy/Takeda to maximize airflow. Otherwise stick with the stock boxes as you are restricting air more than maximizing. Also pick up the Takeda it is cheaper and their design. Greddy just bought the design so they can put their name on it. Thus you are paying higher price for the Greddy name.

I'd be interested in seeing the gains from this intake. I'm always for "no modifying necessary" installs.

Yep. Stillen G3 or Maf tubes and drop ins.

If you have a dremel to make the holes bigger you are saving quite a bit of money if you buy the Takeda. The difference in price is over $100 and the horsepower gain is about 2. Bottom line is it's your money and your car. I couldn't justify a couple of horse power and spending more money on my car, Stillen is the favorite on here, Takeda is a good option if you're looking to save some money.

Takeda also has slightly easier maintenance unless there's a dry filter option for the stillen. You also need to watch the AC lines on the stillen. And cut holes to install properly.

Dry filter: rinse, let air dry, reinstall
Oil filter: reoiling is a bit more time consuming since you need to let the oil wick and then reapply on any dry spots.

Or you can save time and money on the short rams. 2 to 4 horses short of the long rubes and you don't have pull your front bumper off for maintenance. I have the Takeda short rams on mine.

I would never recommend a short ram hot air intake. Stock pulls cooler air than anything that pulls air from the engine compartment.

just to clarify, i got a dremel bit for under 5bucks cdn (1 dolla murica), took literally about 15 min in total. the driver side was more slowly and i actualyl did more than i needed in terms of widening. it's literally half an inch at the widest. plus had to be careful of the ac lines not to bang them. still anyone that can fap can do it.

slapped a weather strip between the intakes and the ac line and it's a snug fit. did a quick peek after a week (with dd'ing over crap roads and some spirited driving) and nothing has changed. the strip is still in place snug as ever.

as other's said the are really only 2 options for intakes if you want any hp/tq gains. everything else is a waste of money.

i like the sounds of the gen 3's... reminds me of the g35/37 exhaust notes sound when acclerating from around 2700 rpm

I used a butter knife and my own muscles to make the holes. Man up.

a little disclosure to my above post

1) i've never taken a bumper off my car before
2) i've never taken an intake off in my life
3) i've never really played inside an engine bay before
4) i've never used a dremel bit in my life (i have used a drill =O)
5) i've never took off rivets before (okay small lie the ones in the hatch)

i have 0 mechanical skills and never took shop class in my life and yet I could do it. I had a friend help out with unbolting some parts while i unbolted on another to help speed things up. you an do it yourself for sure with a wrench kit, elbow grease and a bit of patience.

Get the MAF tubes with drop in filters. Very similar gains when adding an exhaust compared to the long tubes, much less money and easier to install.

i already have the gen 3's and been using them for about 2 weeks now... it was just to emphasize how easy it really is to do these intakes. i like my shiny tubes and the space that opened up after took out the stock boxes. plus maf tubes + drop in's won't give the same sound as the gen 3's (probably the takeda's but i may be talking out the arse) that's just my personal taste though... each to their own

Agreed. It's really easy to do if you follow the guide already provided on here. I dont understand why people are so afraid of removing the bumper and enlarging the holes for the tubes. The plastic area where you have to make the space is somewhat of soft plastic. I didn't have a dremel so I resorted to my dinner knife, made two deep cuts one top and one bottom, eat cut about 1" in a seesawing motion, I just reached in barehand and pulled outward toward me and the plastic snapped off creating a bigger hole for the tube to fit thru, repeat the otherside. You can file off the jagged edge to make it look nicer but I didn't since no one but me knows it's there. I also wrapped the AC line with some rubber pieces found around the garage to keep from rubbing.

Edit: of course I don't recommend you guys use my ghetto tectnique, just showing ppl that it's not that bad and it's easy to do.

If you can hear your intake, you're doing it wrong.

Um we are talking 2 to 4 Hp difference between the two intakes systems and honestly makes no difference. I would recommend then because I have them. They are easy to install and no bumper removal or coolant bottle relocated. The short rams even look better in the engine bay too in my opinion. Let's not also forget about low water crossings. To each his own but the short rams are a better choice considering install time and no drilling, cramming and pulling your tires and bumper off.

The catch is the obscenely high IATs you're going to see. On a dyno with the hood up, you're ok. In the real world, the ecu is going to pull so much timing due to IATs that you'll give all the gains back. Do some data logging with timing and IATs. It's an eye opener.

It's not that bad...

I only have two inches of wheel gap when the car is in the air and I can access the two bolts that secure the bumper to the fender. No removing wheels for me.

With the Stillens, there really is no need to worry about hydro-locking your engine. If your car is in that much water you have other problems to worry about, like flooding the interior. This isn't a Jeep. Also the Stillens don't require the coolant tank relocation.

The only thing I can see being a non-starter (for some) with the Stillens is having to cut the radiator support, and it's really more like shaving it a little.

Also, if someone is concerned with install time, just have a shop do it.

Really? Provide data showing the major performance differences between the two on a stock setup. I would agree somewhat if you were running FI.

I'm not going to do that. It's not all about the power, dude. You really think it's good for the car to be sucking in 150 degree air as opposed to near-ambient air? You can watch the car pull ttiming as the IAT rises. The data is here if you want to search for it. It's pretty obvious from a visual inspection, though. The stock airbox or the Stillen pull air from in front of the radiator. Short rams get the heated air that's passed through the radiator. Especially once the fans kick on. And given that the OP was asking about cold air intakes, it's pretty obvious that he doesn't want a hot air intake.

It actually matters less on a FI setup since you're compressing the air and then running it through the intercooler.

Well the only way to find out is to see at the drag strip with identical setups. I will suck up the 150 degree temperatures against the ambient one and will see which is better. It would be nominal at best even in this texas heat.

Actually, data logging the two would show you everything you need. You make less power when the ecu pulls timing and you can watch the timing get dialed back as IAT rises. Find someone with an Uprev cable or a scan gauge and you can see it plain as day.

Hopefully this post gives some confidence to those on the fence about installing it themselves.

Probably so showing the 2 to 4 Hp loss as I mentioned before. I understand what you are saying Chuck but the loss is minimal at best between the two. They will both show gains compared to stock. How much you want, how much you spend, and how much time you spend doing it is up to you and this was my point for someone that doesn't have the mechanical aptitude such as yourself installing one.

Since all of you getting serious and anal about it.
All your suggestions are highly technical and waste of time!

Nothing beats the location of this Stillen cold air intake! Maximum dyno power gains! No need to take the bumper out!

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And if you want to be very aggressive go turbo charging with this type of intake!

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PEACE you all!

It's more than 2-4 hp. There is no reason ever to buy a short ram. You would be far better off with maf tubes and drop ins. It doesn't matter if you believe it or not. That's the beauty of facts- they don't require one's belief. Short ram intakes are the scarlet letter of "I don't do research". Be happy with your purchase, that's fine. But don't go around recommending them like you're giving good advice. You're not.

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Again dyno results.

Chuck...no mechanical aptitude. I guess that entire turbo build we did or the built track car in the backyard don't count.:bowrofl::bowrofl::bowrofl:

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Actually, I think you read this one backwards. He was saying a short ram benefits someone with less mechanical aptitude.

it's more of a subtle change which i'm crediting to the resonation of metal opposed to the silicone/plastic tubing of the stocks tubes

then again i could be spouting from my arse again... i'm sure others who have the gen 3 (no other bolt ons) can attest the change.

That would make more sense. Lesson learned for posting before caffeine:rofl2:

Do you know what the IAT's would be with coldair intakes I logged a run with my set up and say temps at 15 and fuel temps at 11. AN have zero clue what those mean. :icon14:

Not sure how you're seeing IATs of 15 degrees F. Was that in Celsius? IAT's will be a few degrees above ambient when moving.

Give or take 60ish. He is Boston so that's possible

Are the Nismo R-tune intakes any good?

That's probably pretty close then.

Thanx jwick, The 16 is what the table on Ciper says the temp outside was like 65 degrees at least that what he car said, LOL