Agreed. It's really easy to do if you follow the guide already provided on here. I dont understand why people are so afraid of removing the bumper and enlarging the holes for the tubes. The plastic area where you have to make the space is somewhat of soft plastic. I didn't have a dremel so I resorted to my dinner knife, made two deep cuts one top and one bottom, eat cut about 1" in a seesawing motion, I just reached in barehand and pulled outward toward me and the plastic snapped off creating a bigger hole for the tube to fit thru, repeat the otherside. You can file off the jagged edge to make it look nicer but I didn't since no one but me knows it's there. I also wrapped the AC line with some rubber pieces found around the garage to keep from rubbing.

Edit: of course I don't recommend you guys use my ghetto tectnique, just showing ppl that it's not that bad and it's easy to do.

If you can hear your intake, you're doing it wrong.

Um we are talking 2 to 4 Hp difference between the two intakes systems and honestly makes no difference. I would recommend then because I have them. They are easy to install and no bumper removal or coolant bottle relocated. The short rams even look better in the engine bay too in my opinion. Let's not also forget about low water crossings. To each his own but the short rams are a better choice considering install time and no drilling, cramming and pulling your tires and bumper off.

The catch is the obscenely high IATs you're going to see. On a dyno with the hood up, you're ok. In the real world, the ecu is going to pull so much timing due to IATs that you'll give all the gains back. Do some data logging with timing and IATs. It's an eye opener.

It's not that bad...

I only have two inches of wheel gap when the car is in the air and I can access the two bolts that secure the bumper to the fender. No removing wheels for me.

With the Stillens, there really is no need to worry about hydro-locking your engine. If your car is in that much water you have other problems to worry about, like flooding the interior. This isn't a Jeep. Also the Stillens don't require the coolant tank relocation.

The only thing I can see being a non-starter (for some) with the Stillens is having to cut the radiator support, and it's really more like shaving it a little.

Also, if someone is concerned with install time, just have a shop do it.

Really? Provide data showing the major performance differences between the two on a stock setup. I would agree somewhat if you were running FI.

I'm not going to do that. It's not all about the power, dude. You really think it's good for the car to be sucking in 150 degree air as opposed to near-ambient air? You can watch the car pull ttiming as the IAT rises. The data is here if you want to search for it. It's pretty obvious from a visual inspection, though. The stock airbox or the Stillen pull air from in front of the radiator. Short rams get the heated air that's passed through the radiator. Especially once the fans kick on. And given that the OP was asking about cold air intakes, it's pretty obvious that he doesn't want a hot air intake.

It actually matters less on a FI setup since you're compressing the air and then running it through the intercooler.

Well the only way to find out is to see at the drag strip with identical setups. I will suck up the 150 degree temperatures against the ambient one and will see which is better. It would be nominal at best even in this texas heat.

Actually, data logging the two would show you everything you need. You make less power when the ecu pulls timing and you can watch the timing get dialed back as IAT rises. Find someone with an Uprev cable or a scan gauge and you can see it plain as day.

Hopefully this post gives some confidence to those on the fence about installing it themselves.

Probably so showing the 2 to 4 Hp loss as I mentioned before. I understand what you are saying Chuck but the loss is minimal at best between the two. They will both show gains compared to stock. How much you want, how much you spend, and how much time you spend doing it is up to you and this was my point for someone that doesn't have the mechanical aptitude such as yourself installing one.

Since all of you getting serious and anal about it.
All your suggestions are highly technical and waste of time!

Nothing beats the location of this Stillen cold air intake! Maximum dyno power gains! No need to take the bumper out!

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And if you want to be very aggressive go turbo charging with this type of intake!

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PEACE you all!

It's more than 2-4 hp. There is no reason ever to buy a short ram. You would be far better off with maf tubes and drop ins. It doesn't matter if you believe it or not. That's the beauty of facts- they don't require one's belief. Short ram intakes are the scarlet letter of "I don't do research". Be happy with your purchase, that's fine. But don't go around recommending them like you're giving good advice. You're not.

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Again dyno results.

Chuck...no mechanical aptitude. I guess that entire turbo build we did or the built track car in the backyard don't count.:bowrofl::bowrofl::bowrofl: