Muffler Delete, the good, the bad, and the ugly

spearfish25 · 09-12-2009, 12:44 PM

***My review has changed from this initial assessment in this original post. Please find my comments later for my latest feelings on this setup. The portions enclosed by three asterisks are no longer my current opinion of the setup.***

Well, today I went and had a local guy fabricate some pipes with tips to complete the exhaust after a muffler delete. I went with Tom at One Stop Muffler and Brake in East Chicago, IL. He does a lot of custom work and has gotten rave reviews in the Audi forums.

He did a fantastic job. It took about 2 hours and he custom fabricated pipes for both sides to replace the gap after muffler deletion. I went with slanted round tips which look great. With the tips, he charged $170 which is the most I'd ever consider paying.

So, we roll it off the lift and fire it up. Let me say, the muffler delete video does not do justice to the overall loudness of the delete. The quality of the sound is excellent. Very low and has a nice rumble at idle. This same low quality rumble is also present at a constant cruise which I really like.

***Now the not so good. Under load, the car ROARS from 2500 to 5k RPM. It's loud enough that I woefully think it's too loud to keep in this configuration. Maybe it's fine for a track day, but on the street it's in the motorcycle loud category.*** Above 5k RPM, the deep loudness abruptly stops and it becomes a very sweet racecar sound the rest of the way to the redline.

***So, beware the 2500 to 5000 RPM range, it will likely set off car alarms and I'm sure cops will get whiplash looking for the source of the ruckus. Driving home past a few cops, I was trying to coast past and be incognito!
I'd love to compare this to the Stillen and FI setups just to be sure that even the aftermarket CBEs aren't too loud for me as well.***

!!!Updated Opinion!!!
Having driven the car for another hundred miles since the muffler delete, I've changed my mind a bit. First, everyone who has heard it in person thinks it's 1) not excessively loud, 2) thinks it sounds fantastic and 3) doesn't want me to change it back. The concensus is that outside the car, it sounds aggressive and is certainly a head turner, but it's not crazy loud like a sport bike or Harley. Inside the car, I've found the noise to be troublesome in two RPM bands...both while under load (coasting is very tame and just a low rumble). First, below 2000 RPM has a small droning harmonic that is annoying but livable. Between 2000 and 3800, the sound is perfect. Once you hit about 3800, you get into a trouble, drone prone zone from 3800 to 5000. This is pretty extreme and can get some interior panels vibrating a bit. Once you push past 5000 RPM, it becomes a refreshing, racecar blare that is just awesome.

Overall I really like it. I don't think I'm going to ever go back to the stock configuration. However, I'd eventually like a true aftermarket CBE as long as the choice maintains the deep, aggressive tone. I also hope we can get come owners of different aftermarket configurations to take some sound level readings. That's the best way to really compare sound levels as youtube videos all end up sounding the same with regard to loudness.

!!!New Video Posted!!!

FWIW, I only revved to about 5k in the video as the 2500 to 5000 range seems to be the loudest. Also, keep in mind that the video is shot in an indoor parking garage.

YouTube - 370Z Muffler Delete with Custom Tubes and Tips

My buddy is a great guy, but he couldn't use his electronics correctly to save his life. Thus, this vid starts with the first takeoff right at the shift to second gear (appreciate the tire chirp). Hang in there for a second run though in the same video. Didn't have time for a formal drive-by as I had to make it back home for a meeting. 96dB max on the takeoff run from behind the car.

nogoodname · 09-12-2009, 12:47 PM

post the vids anyways.......

frost · 09-12-2009, 12:54 PM

Yeah, would like to see vid.

kdo2milger · 09-12-2009, 12:59 PM

definately need videos...

i want to compare your vids with mine as i have the loudest option that Tony sells right now and i know what you mean by the tone through the rpm range...

spearfish25 · 09-12-2009, 01:16 PM

I should have seen the issue with RPM range coming. With the fully stock exhaust, 2500 to 5000 RPM is where it sounds best. The rest of the range is too tame. With the muffler delete it's essentially flipped.

iPhone video posted

Modshack · 09-12-2009, 03:09 PM

Ouch...Painful!
The only thing that would make that work would be to put a Turbo between the engine and those tips....:-)

Don't worry...Some 19yr old here will buy those tips!

m4a1mustang · 09-12-2009, 03:45 PM

It sounds good but def seems pretty loud. Hoping my FI HFCs and 18" res aren't that loud.

I like your voice. You sound like you belong in a SOLID RED machine and should work recording books on tape.

frost · 09-12-2009, 03:53 PM

That's pretty loud man. Have you gotten the dBs while driving?

nogoodname · 09-12-2009, 03:59 PM

nice, loud is good

try leaving the iphone leaning on something on the floor with the meter infront
press record and rev it up....lol

also, u'r in a parking garage, that amplifies the sound quite a bit.....

kdo2milger · 09-12-2009, 04:04 PM

wow...thats definately loud...idk if its because its in a parking garage and the sound is bouncing off of everything...but it may be a bit too much like you said...

i could see your z setting everyones car alarms off as you start it up and drive by their cars on the way out/in the parking garage

nogoodname · 09-12-2009, 04:23 PM

it's b/c of the garage

chotyme · 09-12-2009, 04:24 PM

sounds really good but that place sucks... i got some work done there before and they ripped me off.. the guys there have really bad attitudes and they dont give a f*&k after you pay them....... they kept talking gibberish around me (i think theyre indian).

sounds great...but i suggest going else where for exhaust work.

m4a1mustang · 09-12-2009, 05:47 PM

I hate shops like that.

snotrocket · 09-12-2009, 06:00 PM

sounds loud. but that is a good thing. need more vids.

Red370 · 09-12-2009, 07:37 PM

wow, that thing sounds like a beast!!! Loud as hell, but i like loud. Bet it scares the neighbors.

09-12-2009, 12:44 PM	#1 (permalink)
spearfish25 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Naples, FL Posts: 4,117 Drives: to work Rep Power: 1856	Muffler Delete, the good, the bad, and the ugly (with VIDEO) *My review has changed from this initial assessment in this original post. Please find my comments later for my latest feelings on this setup. The portions enclosed by three asterisks are no longer my current opinion of the setup.* Well, today I went and had a local guy fabricate some pipes with tips to complete the exhaust after a muffler delete. I went with Tom at One Stop Muffler and Brake in East Chicago, IL. He does a lot of custom work and has gotten rave reviews in the Audi forums. He did a fantastic job. It took about 2 hours and he custom fabricated pipes for both sides to replace the gap after muffler deletion. I went with slanted round tips which look great. With the tips, he charged $170 which is the most I'd ever consider paying. So, we roll it off the lift and fire it up. Let me say, the muffler delete video does not do justice to the overall loudness of the delete. The quality of the sound is excellent. Very low and has a nice rumble at idle. This same low quality rumble is also present at a constant cruise which I really like. *Now the not so good. Under load, the car ROARS from 2500 to 5k RPM. It's loud enough that I woefully think it's too loud to keep in this configuration. Maybe it's fine for a track day, but on the street it's in the motorcycle loud category.* Above 5k RPM, the deep loudness abruptly stops and it becomes a very sweet racecar sound the rest of the way to the redline. *So, beware the 2500 to 5000 RPM range, it will likely set off car alarms and I'm sure cops will get whiplash looking for the source of the ruckus. Driving home past a few cops, I was trying to coast past and be incognito! I'd love to compare this to the Stillen and FI setups just to be sure that even the aftermarket CBEs aren't too loud for me as well.* !!!Updated Opinion!!! Having driven the car for another hundred miles since the muffler delete, I've changed my mind a bit. First, everyone who has heard it in person thinks it's 1) not excessively loud, 2) thinks it sounds fantastic and 3) doesn't want me to change it back. The concensus is that outside the car, it sounds aggressive and is certainly a head turner, but it's not crazy loud like a sport bike or Harley. Inside the car, I've found the noise to be troublesome in two RPM bands...both while under load (coasting is very tame and just a low rumble). First, below 2000 RPM has a small droning harmonic that is annoying but livable. Between 2000 and 3800, the sound is perfect. Once you hit about 3800, you get into a trouble, drone prone zone from 3800 to 5000. This is pretty extreme and can get some interior panels vibrating a bit. Once you push past 5000 RPM, it becomes a refreshing, racecar blare that is just awesome. Overall I really like it. I don't think I'm going to ever go back to the stock configuration. However, I'd eventually like a true aftermarket CBE as long as the choice maintains the deep, aggressive tone. I also hope we can get come owners of different aftermarket configurations to take some sound level readings. That's the best way to really compare sound levels as youtube videos all end up sounding the same with regard to loudness. !!!New Video Posted!!! FWIW, I only revved to about 5k in the video as the 2500 to 5000 range seems to be the loudest. Also, keep in mind that the video is shot in an indoor parking garage. YouTube - 370Z Muffler Delete with Custom Tubes and Tips My buddy is a great guy, but he couldn't use his electronics correctly to save his life. Thus, this vid starts with the first takeoff right at the shift to second gear (appreciate the tire chirp). Hang in there for a second run though in the same video. Didn't have time for a formal drive-by as I had to make it back home for a meeting. 96dB max on the takeoff run from behind the car. Last edited by spearfish25; 09-07-2010 at 08:22 PM.

09-12-2009, 12:59 PM	#4 (permalink)
kdo2milger OG Priesthood Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Fargo, ND Posts: 17,859 Drives: NISMO T Rep Power: 59	definately need videos... i want to compare your vids with mine as i have the loudest option that Tony sells right now and i know what you mean by the tone through the rpm range... __________________ Project *NISMO*

09-12-2009, 01:16 PM	#5 (permalink)
spearfish25 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Naples, FL Posts: 4,117 Drives: to work Rep Power: 1856	I should have seen the issue with RPM range coming. With the fully stock exhaust, 2500 to 5000 RPM is where it sounds best. The rest of the range is too tame. With the muffler delete it's essentially flipped. iPhone video posted Last edited by spearfish25; 09-12-2009 at 02:14 PM.

09-12-2009, 03:09 PM	#6 (permalink)
Modshack A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Greenville NC Posts: 2,883 Drives: 370Z Sport Rep Power: 976	Ouch...Painful! The only thing that would make that work would be to put a Turbo between the engine and those tips....:-) Don't worry...Some 19yr old here will buy those tips! __________________ Steal my car! (SOLD)...Now Porsche Cayman S Oil Cooler DIY: Here!

09-12-2009, 03:45 PM	#7 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6962	It sounds good but def seems pretty loud. Hoping my FI HFCs and 18" res aren't that loud. I like your voice. You sound like you belong in a SOLID RED machine and should work recording books on tape. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook! Last edited by m4a1mustang; 09-12-2009 at 03:50 PM.

09-12-2009, 12:47 PM	#2 (permalink)
nogoodname Lifetime Premium Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Montreal Posts: 22,357 Drives: E46 M3 Rep Power: 1765	post the vids anyways.......

09-12-2009, 12:54 PM	#3 (permalink)
frost Retired admin Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Winterfell Posts: 106,613 Drives: Your Wife Crazy Rep Power: 0	Yeah, would like to see vid.

09-12-2009, 03:53 PM	#8 (permalink)
frost Retired admin Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Winterfell Posts: 106,613 Drives: Your Wife Crazy Rep Power: 0	That's pretty loud man. Have you gotten the dBs while driving?

09-12-2009, 03:59 PM	#9 (permalink)
nogoodname Lifetime Premium Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Montreal Posts: 22,357 Drives: E46 M3 Rep Power: 1765	nice, loud is good try leaving the iphone leaning on something on the floor with the meter infront press record and rev it up....lol also, u'r in a parking garage, that amplifies the sound quite a bit.....

09-12-2009, 04:04 PM	#10 (permalink)
kdo2milger OG Priesthood Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Fargo, ND Posts: 17,859 Drives: NISMO T Rep Power: 59	wow...thats definately loud...idk if its because its in a parking garage and the sound is bouncing off of everything...but it may be a bit too much like you said... i could see your z setting everyones car alarms off as you start it up and drive by their cars on the way out/in the parking garage __________________ Project *NISMO*

09-12-2009, 04:23 PM	#11 (permalink)
nogoodname Lifetime Premium Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Montreal Posts: 22,357 Drives: E46 M3 Rep Power: 1765	it's b/c of the garage

09-12-2009, 04:24 PM	#12 (permalink)
chotyme Base Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: chicago, il Posts: 41 Drives: 09 370 mag blk 7A Rep Power: 16	sounds really good but that place sucks... i got some work done there before and they ripped me off.. the guys there have really bad attitudes and they dont give a f*&k after you pay them....... they kept talking gibberish around me (i think theyre indian). sounds great...but i suggest going else where for exhaust work.

09-12-2009, 05:47 PM	#13 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6962	I hate shops like that. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

09-12-2009, 06:00 PM	#14 (permalink)
snotrocket Base Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: louisiana Posts: 99 Drives: 09 370z Rep Power: 16	sounds loud. but that is a good thing. need more vids.

09-12-2009, 07:37 PM	#15 (permalink)
Red370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Kaiserslautern, Germany Posts: 4,391 Drives: your mom to church Rep Power: 296	wow, that thing sounds like a beast!!! Loud as hell, but i like loud. Bet it scares the neighbors.

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