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synolimit 12-03-2014 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by exsanity (Post 3045796)
I'm giving him ample time to reply. I just want scientific method he used to generate these numbers. As the great Han Solo once said a long, long time ago..

I did exactly what everyone asked me to do multiple times before in this thread no one reads.

We base ran, we tuned, we added parts, we ran again but it was knocking for no reason and we backed off, we tuned out some timing and played with fuel, we finished with a final number of 11 down low and 6 up top. Doesn't get any better than that as a test and we will do this all again next week with the cats removed! We believe the knocking and odd moments could of been from them heating up and pushing back against the system.

synolimit 12-03-2014 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave s (Post 3045851)
Not really sure why everyone is so negative regarding this test, you could put the best throttles and manifold in the world on that car and the gains would be small while still running factory cats.
If the exhaust is restricted the gains in the manifolds will not be seen.
Really the only proper test is on a car with proper headers, no cats and intakes that are larger than the throttles.


Thank you. Glad not just me and the tuner see it this way. Next week we'll prove this.

jwick 12-03-2014 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by synolimit (Post 3046317)
I gave you no hard time except I said $600 was to much for the gain on just your lower. I've just proved this. For a little over $800 for a ported upper, lower and CNC TB's from me I do believe that's worth it for the gains. Some may disagree but that's fine. All that have spent $1600 on a CBE I believe that's a huge waste. If people think $800 is a waste on 4 ported parts then that's their opinion too and it's fine.

Wow...way to insult potential customers. You are aware that a CBE is most people's first mod because they want more exhaust note, not because of gains.

Just another shining example of poor customer relations in the aftermarket parts world. :rofl2:

jwick 12-03-2014 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 3046316)
How does power under the curve only matter in first gear?

For drifting yo!!!:ugh2:

exsanity 12-03-2014 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by synolimit (Post 3046318)
I did exactly what everyone asked me to do multiple times before in this thread no one reads.

We base ran, we tuned, we added parts, we ran again but it was knocking for no reason and we backed off, we tuned out some timing and played with fuel, we finished with a final number of 11 down low and 6 up top. Doesn't get any better than that as a test and we will do this all again next week with the cats removed! We believe the knocking and odd moments could of been from them heating up and pushing back against the system.

You don't have to get all defensive. I was just asking a question. This thread now has 13 pages, I'm not going to read every post in 13 pages. If it isn't in post #1, I'm going to ask you.

exsanity 12-03-2014 07:36 AM

By the way, the moment you change anything other than the parts you're testing your results are invalid.

FPenvy 12-03-2014 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by synolimit (Post 3046313)
Now use your useless skill had find a dyno that's relative to the thread. Show me Z1's before and after ABOUT THE THREAD TOPIC ONLY!! that's right, you won't find one like I said. Z1 only shows their ported mani vs a m370. Zero proof of a ported vs unported because like I've said!! I bet it's only good for 1-2hp! We believe we can get 10/10 across the board but only with all 3 parts!! Exactly what I've said and I expect from these items.

well at least they have posted/shown proof.

it's 12/3 and still no real results from you besides words. in your case the words are basically worth their weight in shit. :tiphat:

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Originally Posted by synolimit (Post 3046317)
All that have spent $1600 on a CBE I believe that's a huge waste. If people think $800 is a waste on 4 ported parts then that's their opinion too and it's fine.

considering my $1800 spent on my exhaust system gained double what your porting will I would say it's a sound investment.

also, you go on again to prove you have ZERO business sense with how you conduct yourself in this thread.

you need to step back and let your partner or whoever is backing you run this handle. you can't run a business with the same mentality as when you were a dbag on here.

:facepalm:

synolimit 12-03-2014 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by jwick (Post 3046322)
Wow...way to insult potential customers. You are aware that a CBE is most people's first mod because they want more exhaust note, not because of gains.

Just another shining example of poor customer relations in the aftermarket parts world. :rofl2:

Lol. It's not my fault if they don't find a cheaper route. Top speeds right in Texas next to Enkie. I got both for a great deal! If people wanna get bent over, go for it! We aren't doing that hence our TB's are $600 cheaper than Z1. We aren't here to make money, we are here to get a few ponies out of a car we love. Feelings and bank accounts will be hurt along the way. Tough crap! Get over it and welcome to modding young one.

synolimit 12-03-2014 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by exsanity (Post 3046327)
By the way, the moment you change anything other than the parts you're testing your results are invalid.

Interesting. So if I add a turbo and 100 shot of nos the base will be invalid? I can't post my final numbers because they won't count?

The car knocked, we pulled timing. There was no other way and the car still made power!

SgtGoldy 12-03-2014 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by synolimit (Post 3046334)
Lol. It's not my fault if they don't find a cheaper route. Top speeds right in Texas next to Enkie. I got both for a great deal! If people wanna get bent over, go for it! We aren't doing that hence our TB's are $600 cheaper than Z1. We aren't here to make money, we are here to get a few ponies out of a car we love. Feelings and bank accounts will be hurt along the way. Tough crap! Get over it and welcome to modding young one.

Worst. Business. Practice. EVER.

mishuko 12-03-2014 07:45 AM

so... are we getting a graph or what?

your 'magical' gains are as legitimate as GTM's group buy until you provide proof. I like to give a benefit of the doubt but doubt is all you have proved.


You realize that most CBEcost around 1200 upwards to 3-4k for titanium versions and as others have mentioned more gains for the buck so to say.




Pictures of the dyno's or this thread is useless.

mishuko 12-03-2014 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by synolimit (Post 3046334)
Lol. It's not my fault if they don't find a cheaper route. Top speeds right in Texas next to Enkie. I got both for a great deal! If people wanna get bent over, go for it! We aren't doing that hence our TB's are $600 cheaper than Z1. We aren't here to make money, we are here to get a few ponies out of a car we love. Feelings and bank accounts will be hurt along the way. Tough crap! Get over it and welcome to modding young one.

wait... contradictions here... if it's not about money then why would you care if your wallet is but hurt?

seriously man... you need to invest some time and money into business ettiquette and marketing 101.

FPenvy 12-03-2014 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by mishuko (Post 3046345)
so... are we getting a graph or what?

your 'magical' gains are as legitimate as GTM's group buy until you provide proof. I like to give a benefit of the doubt but doubt is all you have proved.


You realize that most CBEcost around 1200 upwards to 3-4k for titanium versions and as others have mentioned more gains for the buck so to say.


Pictures of the dyno's or this thread is useless.

and they typically post dyno sheets.....:stirthepot:

jwick 12-03-2014 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by synolimit (Post 3046334)
Lol. It's not my fault if they don't find a cheaper route. Top speeds right in Texas next to Enkie. I got both for a great deal! If people wanna get bent over, go for it! We aren't doing that hence our TB's are $600 cheaper than Z1. We aren't here to make money, we are here to get a few ponies out of a car we love. Feelings and bank accounts will be hurt along the way. Tough crap! Get over it and welcome to modding young one.

You became a sponsor and are selling this 'service', but you aren't making a profit. Yeah right. Welcome to NurseNeckTat's 370Z modding charity. It's a non-profit if you weren't aware.:rofl2:

Welcome to modding...yeah my car is stock:ugh2:

FPenvy 12-03-2014 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by mishuko (Post 3046346)
wait... contradictions here... if it's not about money then why would you care if your wallet is but hurt?

seriously man... you need to invest some time and money into business ettiquette and marketing 101.

I always like how he knocks me but everyone has said the same think to him. :bowrofl:

also, he should take my advice since that bottom part thats bolded. I mean I may have a piece a paper for that with my name on it lol :tiphat:

jwick 12-03-2014 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3046351)
I always like how he knocks me but everyone has said the same think to him. :bowrofl:

also, he should take my advice since that bottom part thats bolded. I mean I may have a piece a paper for that with my name on it lol :tiphat:

Does it show real gains:roflpuke2:

FPenvy 12-03-2014 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by jwick (Post 3046357)
Does it show real gains:roflpuke2:

only to my hurt feelings and bank account according to syno......:stirthepot:

:bowrofl:

mishuko 12-03-2014 07:59 AM

my sticker adds +5hp... it can't be the gen 3's i tossed on though... no... can't be... definitely the sticker.

FPenvy 12-03-2014 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by mishuko (Post 3046365)
my sticker adds +5hp... it can't be the gen 3's i tossed on though... no... can't be... definitely the sticker.

that sticker trumps all $1800 CBE mods too......:wtf2:

rooftop 12-03-2014 08:06 AM

synolimit! if you're not in it to make money will you boost my car for free? fast intentions has a nice twin turbo kit i'd like to get for xmas. it will be for a good cause... the advancement of ponies

exsanity 12-03-2014 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by synolimit (Post 3046337)
So if I add a turbo and 100 shot of nos the base will be invalid?

If you added a turbo and a 100HP shot of nitrous then you couldn't definitively say how much power the turbo gave you. That is a fact.
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Originally Posted by synolimit (Post 3046337)
I can't post my final numbers because they won't count?

If you baselined, then installed parts, then tuned, then changed fuel ratios, and now you're going to add test pipes, then no.. you can't tell me your "gains" were from your parts.
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Originally Posted by synolimit (Post 3046337)
The car knocked, we pulled timing. There was no other way and the car still made power!

I understand there was an issue with the install, there always is. I'm just saying that you have to use a method that would show your potential customers definitive gain numbers for your product and your product alone.

synolimit 12-03-2014 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by SgtGoldy (Post 3046340)
Worst. Business. Practice. EVER.

I don't care. I was forced into vender status. I make $26.45 on each TB to answer a hundred emails and then box, paper, tape, ship, track etc. it's not really worth it but I dont mind in my down time. I'm only trying to help others and many have asked and even told me to sell closer to Z1's cost but I wont! I have a day job.


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Originally Posted by mishuko (Post 3046345)
so... are we getting a graph or what?

your 'magical' gains are as legitimate as GTM's group buy until you provide proof. I like to give a benefit of the doubt but doubt is all you have proved.


You realize that most CBEcost around 1200 upwards to 3-4k for titanium versions and as others have mentioned more gains for the buck so to say.




Pictures of the dyno's or this thread is useless.

I agree. I have one pic of the owners before and after full tune/day in STD. I want parts only in SAE. Still waiting unless my wife finds it in my car. Last night she sent me my dyno from last week.

Gains you all speak of are irrelevant. A cbe does nothing if you have every bolt on possible. This is the case with CAI and test pipes. All can show amazing gains in the beginning but the more you do the less you make. Most CBE aren't worth their price when a local shop or buddy or you can do it yourself.

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Originally Posted by mishuko (Post 3046346)
wait... contradictions here... if it's not about money then why would you care if your wallet is but hurt?

seriously man... you need to invest some time and money into business ettiquette and marketing 101.

It's not contradicting. I'm not here for money! In this modding game people will get their feelings hurt and will have their bank accounts hurt like most people buy things more than once, ex different wheels, test pipes, headers etc. very few buy once and are happy for life. Like coilovers. Maybe $800 BC's are all you can afford. A year later you can swing $4000 jrz's. This is what I meant.

synolimit 12-03-2014 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by rooftop (Post 3046375)
synolimit! if you're not in it to make money will you boost my car for free? fast intentions has a nice twin turbo kit i'd like to get for xmas. it will be for a good cause... the advancement of ponies

Sure. I've never taken money to do a clutch, these TB, intakes, turbos, NOS etc on any friends or someone's car! I just like doing it with friends and a beer. Get the kit and swing by.

synolimit 12-03-2014 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by exsanity (Post 3046402)
If you added a turbo and a 100HP shot of nitrous then you couldn't definitively say how much power the turbo gave you. That is a fact.

If you baselined, then installed parts, then tuned, then changed fuel ratios, and now you're going to add test pipes, then no.. you can't tell me your "gains" were from your parts.

I understand there was an issue with the install, there always is. I'm just saying that you have to use a method that would show your potential customers definitive gain numbers for your product and your product alone.

Omg you don't read. We base lined, tuned! Installed parts and ran that base line. The car knocked so we pulled timing without a run for just the parts! No different then installing a turbo kit and not running it without a shelf map! You can't drive to the tuner on 1000cc injectors without doing something to the tune! All the parts knocked or his cats knocked or whatever but we had to change the timing. In the end we have a base for the day, tuned stock, and tuned with parts. It's no different than showing a TT kit make 500hp at the end of the day when everything's set.

And as I said before! In a week we'll do it ALL over again!

FPenvy 12-03-2014 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by synolimit (Post 3046411)
Sure. I've never taken money to do a clutch, these TB, intakes, turbos, NOS etc on any friends or someone's car! I just like doing it with friends and a beer. Get the kit and swing by.

found another bogus claim in this thread......

we know you don't have any friends.

:bowrofl:

Boss_302 12-03-2014 11:38 AM

Wow, This sounds like a reality show, so much drama here over some mods.
Everyone has great expatiations, but the gains that have been seen sound about right for the work that was done. I speak from experience, having built spec engines with minimal modifications allowed by SCCA. Of cause freeing up the exhaust will help with increase the volumetric efficiency gain in cleaning up the intake. You may want to check the fuel delivery system, fuel pressure, for you lean out issue.
I'm interested to see how this turns out because this has become my winter project on my street Z, I have a spare upper which I just finished cleaning up, next is the lower once I find one on the salvage market.
Have a good day

njobe89 12-03-2014 11:41 AM

well that escalated quickly

willy2371 12-03-2014 11:43 AM

Whatever happened with this?

http://www.the370z.com/3000481-post145.html

FPenvy 12-03-2014 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by willy2371 (Post 3046568)
Whatever happened with this?

http://www.the370z.com/3000481-post145.html

:bowrofl:

njobe89 12-03-2014 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by willy2371 (Post 3046568)
Whatever happened with this?

http://www.the370z.com/3000481-post145.html

sh1t just got real

m3chhawk 12-03-2014 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by synolimit (Post 3046334)
Lol. It's not my fault if they don't find a cheaper route.

I think you found the wrong forum sir. Maybe this will help...
Honda | Acura Research, Reviews, Performance Parts, Owners - Honda-Tech.com
:gtfo2:

FPenvy 12-03-2014 12:03 PM

#necktattuesday?
 
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Originally Posted by m3chhawk (Post 3046586)
I think you found the wrong forum sir. Maybe this will help...
Honda | Acura Research, Reviews, Performance Parts, Owners - Honda-Tech.com
:gtfo2:

it's like my favorite saying for tattoos being that good ones aren't cheap and cheap ones aren't good.

JARblue 12-03-2014 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by willy2371 (Post 3046568)
Whatever happened with this?

http://www.the370z.com/3000481-post145.html

He won the Paypal claim and guru is out the $155... wouldn't be surprised if syno is rolling around on those brake pads now. Who signs for a box in that condition? :shakes head:

Haboob 12-03-2014 12:25 PM

#MurseNeckTattoo
 
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Originally Posted by JARblue (Post 3046590)
He won the Paypal claim and guru is out the $155... wouldn't be surprised if syno is rolling around on those brake pads now. Who signs for a box in that condition? :shakes head:

That's ridiculous.


Definitely won't every buy anything from Synolimit. Nor sell him anything.


What's his "not for profit" business name? Time to get the word out on social media about all of this and how much of a scam artist he is.

avery370z 12-03-2014 01:00 PM

It's funny you must think everybody makes the same money. What you think is a waste might not even scratch the surface in somebody else's bank account. Rule number 1 in business don't count somebody else's money. And remember horsepower equals money plain and simple.Not knowing you at all my advice will be to get some people skills.

JARblue 12-03-2014 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by avery370z (Post 3046623)
It's funny you must think everybody makes the same money. What you think is a waste might not even scratch the surface in somebody else's bank account. Rule number 1 in business don't count somebody else's money. And remember horsepower equals money plain and simple.Not knowing you at all my advice will be to get some people skills.

Well, when you make money by claiming that parts are damaged or not received and then file a claim via Paypal against a legitimate seller, that's fucking sketchy. Who signs for an empty box and then files a dispute after the fact? Scammers, that's who. If you think that's ok, then you can do business with him. I wish you luck :tiphat:

6MT-Z34 12-03-2014 01:13 PM

I'm new to tuning and modding cars, but from what i understand, with the parts he put on, the car started knocking which we all know its not good, that is why he didn't finish his "experiment" but its blaming it on other components from the low gains...I just hope the people that bought these do not mess up their engine due to untested parts that said will provide you with "good numbers no bs" .....also, he mentions he has been selling this for a while on this forum before becoming a vendor (which is also a violation of the rules)and as we saw from the pads he bought but "never received," as well as answers or comments to potential customers what kind of business guy he is...

m3chhawk 12-03-2014 02:01 PM

While the problem with all of this hardly lies within the numbers, there is no control to validate the numbers. All of the gains are within the margin of the tune. There is a correct way to measure the gains and the process being used here is far from it.

exsanity 12-03-2014 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by m3chhawk (Post 3046667)
While the problem with all of this hardly lies within the numbers, there is no control to validate the numbers. All of the gains are within the margin of the tune. There is a correct way to measure the gains and the process being used here is far from it.

Thank you! That's what I've been saying. :ugh:

NeverBoneStck 12-03-2014 02:56 PM

So did I miss something? Is he scamming people with his parts or is a bunch of guys on here hating because they don't like his attitude?? How could anyone compare this to the GTM turbos thread is beyond me.. Did he ask for money up front??


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