Amazing how I agree too, hell I think I agreed hours ago!!!!! what do you know??

the fact that you posted that is irrelevant.

the fact that you get touchy, take shots at peope, make numerous insults, continue to carry on in anger rather than solving the issue.

if you had any hope on surviving and thriving as a vendor then you should have been calm, collected, and level headed. could have just answered the initial question instead of letting previous encounters fuel your rage in a thread with your "company" name on it.

i honestly am shopping for more options to increase HP. port/polish is about the only route left aside from if someone makes a nice intake manifold. however, based on your piss poor behavior as a vendor, i will be going else where. then again the HP shown in previous dynos with all this is still currently less than that of what i've already put down.

the dyno on the 30th would have to show significant results along with an appology to regain any chance of getting my business.

Agreed. As a vendor you are (as you should be) held to a higher level of professionalism. Something you have yet to exhibit. It doesn't matter how great you think your end product is, with no customer experience, you will cease to exist. You've already lost me as a potential customer because of a lack of professionalism. I'd suggest you calm your tits before you lose more :tiphat:

Hello, not sure who you're quoting, all I see is a blank screen from nobody.

We have customer existence. I'd refer you to view the FS post and have my permission to PM them. If they don't PM you back that's their right. You can also PM me for more info and possible contacts of buyers who are more than happy with zero complaints yet. If I lost you that's fine, I don't let trolls get the better of me and sorry you side with one.

Have a good day.

Scott

O and I just wanted to post one thing...after intake and test pipes I'm not sure what people are expecting from this mod. Typically after everything you're going to be lucky for 10hp unless you spend $1000 plus. NA power is VERY hard to come by late in the game. An example would be E85, after injectors and pump for $600-900 you should be around 10hp and TQ give or take. That's my goal for these parts. Not sure if people are sitting back waiting to see 20+ but that's a huge pipe dream. Forced Induction is another story though!

Scott

Commenting to save for later...


Love it FP... you never stop hahaha

I probably should stay out of this, but...

Am I correct that Syno is offering pnp services, but dyno results are on hold until the end of the month?

So... let's all just wait for that?

Or, if one is adventurous, and the services are offered presently as an at-your-own risk mod if at all, then sounds like things are all on the up-and-up so far.

I'm looking forward to the results. The value of the service for the cost (to be determined?) is yet to be clarified, or so I gather, so I don't see why anyone is getting rankled... :confused:

Am I missing something/misstating something? :confused:

If so, my apologies... I balked at carefully reviewing 30 pages of debate over this matter, given that dynos are scheduled and will be posted in due course.

I mean, look at all the testing, reporting, and analysis I try to share, and I'm not even selling anything -- I just like cars, hypothesis testing, data, and other embarrassingly nerdish things... :o

In short, I can wait -- I don't see why everyone else can't chill out too. It's Turkey Day. Have some pie and some beer in the meantime :tup:

Thank you and so far over a dozen have taken the plung. One of which has even dyno'd but didn't do a before and after part install, he just showed up with everything on. Most have seen this in the tuning section I believe. Only thing to make the 30th go better is having a m370 on hand. Not sure though how to make that work and be cost effective but my buyer does have one he's currently trying to sell.

Info from my partner, nice info! The Jim he's talking about is also setting up a flow bench for us to test and retest the porting to 1. Make it accurate and 2. Possibly make changes for the better if need be.

"Also I talked to my engine guy Jim he said if we want we can do the heads too and he has also pretty extensive experience with the 370z engine. So if any of these guys are serious about built engines. He did some teams Nissan programs for them he does a ton of Mazda stuff too."

^^^ That all sounds reasonable to me.

Looking forward to the results :tup:

Shawn wants to offer gold reflective tape on the lower and upper, anyone think it's worth it?

It couldn't hurt and it's probably cheaper than adding a heat dispersant coating. It could certainly be added as an option for a few extra bucks.

When I got involved in a team effort put towards the development of a high output, bang-for-the-buck LTH for the 7th gen Celica, developed in collaboration with a talented tuner, a few very willing and patient test subjects, and the fine folks at PPE, the primary goal was to achieve max power and quality at the most reasonable price point for everyone to be happy.

No header like this had existed for the 7th gen Celica 2ZZ motor before this project. The few headers even available were mostly untested very pricey imports... no one wanted to tackle it, and those who did wanted to make something absurdly expensive, shiny, and lovely to show off -- because you can sell that at a premium price point whether or not it performs as hoped. Not acceptable.

So, I said, screw that -- lets all team up and try to make this happen and see where it goes. And, remarkably, we did it -- suddenly everyone went from having no good option to a seriously great one, and one that was also pretty darn inexpensive for the gains.

From there a consumer could request various insulation coatings (although you'd want one designed for dispersing rather than retaining heat, of course), SS rather than cast iron, different high end merge collectors vs a more standard one, etc.

These were all options to be added on for a little extra performance if you wanted, but the plain as-is header made solid, reliable power, verified on several dynos, at a very affordable price point.

FWIW, I say, try to incorporate that idea -- the bang-for-buck with a few options. This way the average Joe can afford it and be genuinely pleased with the results, the folks behind the scenes are happy with their return on the R&D, and there are optional upgrades for the hard core power junkies that have the extra coin and want to try and squeeze every last fraction of whp out of it.

If you can pull that off, everybody wins.

It's not easy -- there's theory, design, testing, tuning, re-testing, re-tuning, etc. -- but clearly you have the will and the know-how, and are open to collaborating with others/shops who can help make it happen.

And there's obviously interest. If you can do it, I'm sure it can be worked out so everybody is happy with the price and the results.

No harm in trying -- go for it! :tup:

P.S.
If you guys run it on a dynojet, I would be happy to make detailed graphs and offer some 3rd party objective commentary if you can send me the drf files. We can chat about it via PM if that's something that would help make this come together -- just let me know.

It isn't going to do anything without an isolating gasket at the head. the runners will still heat soak.

Just a reminder!! PLEASE when you guys ship back your cores protect the parts and apply insurance on the item for the amount I'm giving you back! Does no good to only take the free $50 insurance when I'm giving back $190 or $200 or $250 and the parts destroyed. I just received this TB and there's no way I can resell this! Again I state in the FS thread it's your responsibility to package correctly and put insurance on the returns.

Thanks

it's 12-1...............

where's these dyno sheets?

:stirthepot:

After installing the ported TB I got a MIL P0507 Idle Air Control System RPM Higher Than Expected. It did idle higher than before so I performed the idle air volume learning per the manual and that seems to have done the trick.

So no go? Or just to much to type? Give us something. I have money to blow..

it's 12-2...............

where's these dyno sheets?

:stirthepot:

in for dyno results from Syno and other risk-taking members!

Btw, Syno's 370 sounds BEAST.

I'm hunting right now and left ASAP after the tune. I have almost zero signal here. I'll post a sheet soon. Car made 6hp and 5tq at peak with ALL the parts (anyone wonder why Z1 doesn't show a before and after?) and 11hp down low. The car made zero between 4500-6500. The consensus is we improved the intake but his cats were holding us back for the exhaust. The owner is buying motordyne test pipes and coming back next week. We will pop off the mani and TB's and do it again. But like I said from the get go, 10 or hp is what we expected at this level of NA and for sub $1000. Over all the owner picked up 20/20 from tune and parts. For a NA in SAE this isn't bad!!! Went from 299hp to 319hp and 240tq to 260tq.

so the best gains were from the low bandsu nder 4500 and mediocre gains above 6500?

any reason why the 4500-6500 range was flat? i'm a bit confused on your 20/20 gains part... was this strictly from the ported or was this inculding a tune?

What are "ALL the parts" that you're referring to? Do we have a baseline dyno? With the fore mentioned parts and then after the parts with nothing else changed? What are we testing here?

i guess this isnt a before and after posted by Z1? :confused:

http://www.z1motorsports.com/imageGa...pPKvsStock.jpg

here's the thread too. just in case.

http://www.the370z.com/z1-motorsport...ml#post2591702


this Synolimit fail brought to you by: FP :tiphat:

*crickets*

=( all the rumble and grumble.

so we can all talk the talk but when we need to walk the walk it appears only a few will be standing

I hear there's someone in here without the ability to back up their claims?

Amateurs.

:drama:

#NurseNeckTattoo
 

Or was it clams?

In before this thread goes full GTM MHI group buy

Give this guy a chance to explain what he has going on with his porting setup.Nobody gave me more of a hard time about my extruded lower intake than this guy but he deserves some time to post his results. We all have jobs and other life stuff going on.He'll post them when he gets time.But from what i saw his numbers look great with the porting job.My hat goes off to you for thinking outside the box.

I'm giving him ample time to reply. I just want scientific method he used to generate these numbers. As the great Han Solo once said a long, long time ago..

han shot first!

Not really sure why everyone is so negative regarding this test, you could put the best throttles and manifold in the world on that car and the gains would be small while still running factory cats.
If the exhaust is restricted the gains in the manifolds will not be seen.
Really the only proper test is on a car with proper headers, no cats and intakes that are larger than the throttles.

I dont think the exhaust is the hold up im running the most improper headers according to this forum(Stillen). And i have Z1 HFCs.337whp 267tq. not bad no idle issues and the throttle response is incredilble.

These gains seem right on to me. The z1 manifold picked up about 11 hp peak over the m370. The m370 loses about 7 hp over the stock manifold on a full bolt on car. So lets say z1 picks up 4 over stock, and syn picked up 6 on a hfc car, which is great considering the z1 car had headers. Its just a ported intake, don't expect miracles , if you want the last little bit out of these cars this is a no brained. People spend more for an m370 to loose peak power. Oh I forgot m370 makes more under the curve, which doesn't matter after 1st gear.

GTM Groupbuy...

As I said in my reply you quoted, we believe we got good air in hence the 11hp increase from 2-4500 but the cats maybe killing us getting that air back out. We are not sure. Like I said also we will test this next week when the owner comes back with motordyne helmholtz test pipes and we reinstall his oem stuff and we do it all again. Also his 20/20 was his 1st or 2nd run vs his last. That means parts plus tune.

I'm referring to the title of this thread. I'd thought by now that'd be obvious. Apparently not. So we are talking about ported upper and lower manifolds and CNC throttle bodies.

Yes we do have a base line. Trying to get the wife to text it to me but again I'm on the side of a mountain hunting so its hard with no signal. The sheet I will post with no parts plus tune, then parts with retune will be just that. There is no dyno with just parts because the customers car started to knock. His final tune is actually less timing then it should be and what the stock parts plus tune had! This automatic car was giving us much headache.

This is FP at his greatest never knowing how to read! Way to post the 400hp pack in a thread not taking about the 400hp pack! Way to go champ!

Now use your useless skill had find a dyno that's relative to the thread. Show me Z1's before and after ABOUT THE THREAD TOPIC ONLY!! that's right, you won't find one like I said. Z1 only shows their ported mani vs a m370. Zero proof of a ported vs unported because like I've said!! I bet it's only good for 1-2hp! We believe we can get 10/10 across the board but only with all 3 parts!! Exactly what I've said and I expect from these items.

How does power under the curve only matter in first gear?

I gave you no hard time except I said $600 was to much for the gain on just your lower. I've just proved this. For a little over $800 for a ported upper, lower and CNC TB's from me I do believe that's worth it for the gains. Some may disagree but that's fine. All that have spent $1600 on a CBE I believe that's a huge waste. If people think $800 is a waste on 4 ported parts then that's their opinion too and it's fine.