FI LTHs significantly better than HFCs?

brucelidat · 11-10-2013, 09:18 PM

So I am looking for opinions from people with the Fast intentions LTHs. I currently have Fast intentions resonated HFCs and exhaust with 18" resonators. I am thinking of getting LTHs with built in race HFCs. My question to all of you with LTHs is if there was a big noticeable difference with them. Will the gains be enough for me to feel with the butt dyno or just show up on the actual dyno? They're pricey so I am wondering if the gains from HFCs will be worth it or if I will be left sort of regretting the cost for gains that I won't really feel much? Your thoughts and dynos if you have them/want to share would be appreciated.

Z-Girl 12 · 11-10-2013, 09:23 PM

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Chuck33079 · 11-10-2013, 09:46 PM

My guess would be that it depends on whether you're installing them yourself or paying someone to do it. Header installs take a while.

brucelidat · 11-10-2013, 09:58 PM

Would have it done at Fats Intentions where they weld 100 cell HFCs in behind the LTHs and in front of the exhaust so I won';t have the usual LTH/TP fuel smell. just trying to figure out if it's worth it or if I should stop throwing money at NA mods and stick with what I have.

Chuck33079 · 11-10-2013, 10:02 PM

If you're paying $1500+ for the headers and then a couple hundred bucks in labor and only make another 5-10whp, will you be pissed off? I would be.

brucelidat · 11-10-2013, 10:14 PM

So just 5-10 who and trq throughout the rev range? I was hoping it would be more like 10 who throughout the rev range + 8-15 trq throughout. I was hoping those with them could chime in on wether or not it made a difference they could actually feel and not just on dyno sheets.

Chuck33079 · 11-10-2013, 10:20 PM

Compared to stock, sure you'd feel a difference. Going from HFCs, I'm not so sure. You'd probably get far more out of a set of gears. The Motordyne manifold also has some nice torque gains. Both of those together would still be cheaper than the headers.

I doubt you would feel anything less than a 10whp increase unless your butt dyno is incredibly sensitive.

brucelidat · 11-10-2013, 10:28 PM

I have both of those. Gears made a big diff, the m370 not so much.

Chuck33079 · 11-10-2013, 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brucelidat

I have both of those. Gears made a big diff, the m370 not so much.

Then headers are really all you've got left to do. I'm not convinced you would see a huge difference from HFCs.

brucelidat · 11-10-2013, 10:36 PM

I'm debating headers or some wheels. Performance, possibly only marginal, vs looks. Or I could build myself a new computer, haha.

Chuck33079 · 11-10-2013, 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brucelidat

I'm debating headers or some wheels. Performance, possibly only marginal, vs looks. Or I could build myself a new computer, haha.

Buy the wheels. You're at the point of diminishing returns on NA mods.

brucelidat · 11-10-2013, 10:40 PM

I would dump the m370 if I do headers. If I could end up north of 320 whp with around 8 - 15 trq throughout the revrange,, I'd probably not be too disappointed.

synolimit · 11-10-2013, 10:45 PM

I have garage line LTH (eBay obx $300 header). Design is almost the same as the FI except mine doesn't have the star thing that's supposed to help with savaging in the collector. The before and after dyno here is I installed the LTH, added some Helmholtz resonators right where the LTH meets the X pipe in my CBE, and I removed the top speed muffler and just made straight pipes using the TS tips. The before had OEM header and OEM cats. Its a good increase for a very cheap $300 spent!! Both are untuned and running a little rich which is safe. But since you have hfc now and you want FI LTH and paying someone to do it...I say no way in hell! Way to much money for no where near the increase I got.

16.30-19.09 Tq thought the power band and 10.93-16.93 Hp. Although my best run that we didn't use to compare the before and after was even higher at 295.33 hp and 244.32 tq.

Chuck33079 · 11-10-2013, 10:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brucelidat

I would dump the m370 if I do headers. If I could end up north of 320 whp with around 8 - 15 trq throughout the revrange,, I'd probably not be too disappointed.

Why would you get rid of the manifold if you did the headers?

Chuck33079 · 11-10-2013, 10:59 PM

It also may be more effective to start cutting weight. A set of two piece rotors cost less than headers, and you'll definitely notice dropping that much unsprung weight.

11-10-2013, 09:18 PM	#1 (permalink)
brucelidat A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: temple city, ca Posts: 2,432 Drives: 2011 370z 7AT GM Sp Rep Power: 31	FI LTHs significantly better than HFCs? So I am looking for opinions from people with the Fast intentions LTHs. I currently have Fast intentions resonated HFCs and exhaust with 18" resonators. I am thinking of getting LTHs with built in race HFCs. My question to all of you with LTHs is if there was a big noticeable difference with them. Will the gains be enough for me to feel with the butt dyno or just show up on the actual dyno? They're pricey so I am wondering if the gains from HFCs will be worth it or if I will be left sort of regretting the cost for gains that I won't really feel much? Your thoughts and dynos if you have them/want to share would be appreciated. __________________ Works Emotion CR Ultimate - FI CBE w/ 18" resonators - Ecutek - eibach sways - Quaife - FI LTH w/race cats - kw v3 - spl - Topgunz SC - 488whp 398trq

11-10-2013, 09:23 PM	#2 (permalink)
Z-Girl 12 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Florida Posts: 4,105 Drives: Spirited Rep Power: 11716	sub'd for feedback __________________ 2012 Z-SOLD 2014 Nismo #565 Fast Intentions CBE/HFC/Swift/SPC/RJM/H&R-15/20mm/Z1 CAI/Headers/Intake Manifold w/Uprev Tune 328.31whp/263.64tq

11-10-2013, 09:46 PM	#3 (permalink)
Chuck33079 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Houston Posts: 12,265 Drives: 2011 370ztt Rep Power: 29539	My guess would be that it depends on whether you're installing them yourself or paying someone to do it. Header installs take a while. __________________ 2011 MB Touring-Sport-6sp-Nav/GTM TT/FI TT TDX/JTran/Kosmic/Eibach/Hotchkis/SPC/CSF/RPS/SoThatsWhereAllMyMoneyWent

11-10-2013, 09:58 PM	#4 (permalink)
brucelidat A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: temple city, ca Posts: 2,432 Drives: 2011 370z 7AT GM Sp Rep Power: 31	Would have it done at Fats Intentions where they weld 100 cell HFCs in behind the LTHs and in front of the exhaust so I won';t have the usual LTH/TP fuel smell. just trying to figure out if it's worth it or if I should stop throwing money at NA mods and stick with what I have. __________________ Works Emotion CR Ultimate - FI CBE w/ 18" resonators - Ecutek - eibach sways - Quaife - FI LTH w/race cats - kw v3 - spl - Topgunz SC - 488whp 398trq

11-10-2013, 10:02 PM	#5 (permalink)
Chuck33079 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Houston Posts: 12,265 Drives: 2011 370ztt Rep Power: 29539	If you're paying $1500+ for the headers and then a couple hundred bucks in labor and only make another 5-10whp, will you be pissed off? I would be. __________________ 2011 MB Touring-Sport-6sp-Nav/GTM TT/FI TT TDX/JTran/Kosmic/Eibach/Hotchkis/SPC/CSF/RPS/SoThatsWhereAllMyMoneyWent

11-10-2013, 10:14 PM	#6 (permalink)
brucelidat A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: temple city, ca Posts: 2,432 Drives: 2011 370z 7AT GM Sp Rep Power: 31	So just 5-10 who and trq throughout the rev range? I was hoping it would be more like 10 who throughout the rev range + 8-15 trq throughout. I was hoping those with them could chime in on wether or not it made a difference they could actually feel and not just on dyno sheets. __________________ Works Emotion CR Ultimate - FI CBE w/ 18" resonators - Ecutek - eibach sways - Quaife - FI LTH w/race cats - kw v3 - spl - Topgunz SC - 488whp 398trq

11-10-2013, 10:20 PM	#7 (permalink)
Chuck33079 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Houston Posts: 12,265 Drives: 2011 370ztt Rep Power: 29539	FI LTHs significantly better than HFCs? Compared to stock, sure you'd feel a difference. Going from HFCs, I'm not so sure. You'd probably get far more out of a set of gears. The Motordyne manifold also has some nice torque gains. Both of those together would still be cheaper than the headers. I doubt you would feel anything less than a 10whp increase unless your butt dyno is incredibly sensitive. __________________ 2011 MB Touring-Sport-6sp-Nav/GTM TT/FI TT TDX/JTran/Kosmic/Eibach/Hotchkis/SPC/CSF/RPS/SoThatsWhereAllMyMoneyWent

11-10-2013, 10:28 PM	#8 (permalink)
brucelidat A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: temple city, ca Posts: 2,432 Drives: 2011 370z 7AT GM Sp Rep Power: 31	I have both of those. Gears made a big diff, the m370 not so much. __________________ Works Emotion CR Ultimate - FI CBE w/ 18" resonators - Ecutek - eibach sways - Quaife - FI LTH w/race cats - kw v3 - spl - Topgunz SC - 488whp 398trq

11-10-2013, 10:36 PM	#10 (permalink)
brucelidat A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: temple city, ca Posts: 2,432 Drives: 2011 370z 7AT GM Sp Rep Power: 31	I'm debating headers or some wheels. Performance, possibly only marginal, vs looks. Or I could build myself a new computer, haha. __________________ Works Emotion CR Ultimate - FI CBE w/ 18" resonators - Ecutek - eibach sways - Quaife - FI LTH w/race cats - kw v3 - spl - Topgunz SC - 488whp 398trq

11-10-2013, 10:40 PM	#12 (permalink)
brucelidat A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: temple city, ca Posts: 2,432 Drives: 2011 370z 7AT GM Sp Rep Power: 31	I would dump the m370 if I do headers. If I could end up north of 320 whp with around 8 - 15 trq throughout the revrange,, I'd probably not be too disappointed. __________________ Works Emotion CR Ultimate - FI CBE w/ 18" resonators - Ecutek - eibach sways - Quaife - FI LTH w/race cats - kw v3 - spl - Topgunz SC - 488whp 398trq

11-10-2013, 10:45 PM	#13 (permalink)
synolimit A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2013 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 5,051 Drives: 2013 Silver 370z Rep Power: 3389	I have garage line LTH (eBay obx $300 header). Design is almost the same as the FI except mine doesn't have the star thing that's supposed to help with savaging in the collector. The before and after dyno here is I installed the LTH, added some Helmholtz resonators right where the LTH meets the X pipe in my CBE, and I removed the top speed muffler and just made straight pipes using the TS tips. The before had OEM header and OEM cats. Its a good increase for a very cheap $300 spent!! Both are untuned and running a little rich which is safe. But since you have hfc now and you want FI LTH and paying someone to do it...I say no way in hell! Way to much money for no where near the increase I got. 16.30-19.09 Tq thought the power band and 10.93-16.93 Hp. Although my best run that we didn't use to compare the before and after was even higher at 295.33 hp and 244.32 tq. __________________ 13 370z- Last edited by synolimit; 11-10-2013 at 10:58 PM.

11-10-2013, 10:59 PM	#15 (permalink)
Chuck33079 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Houston Posts: 12,265 Drives: 2011 370ztt Rep Power: 29539	It also may be more effective to start cutting weight. A set of two piece rotors cost less than headers, and you'll definitely notice dropping that much unsprung weight. DEpointfive0 likes this. __________________ 2011 MB Touring-Sport-6sp-Nav/GTM TT/FI TT TDX/JTran/Kosmic/Eibach/Hotchkis/SPC/CSF/RPS/SoThatsWhereAllMyMoneyWent

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