Lets talk science, Stillen Gen3 Intake

H2O_Doc · 10-31-2013, 12:55 PM

It would be cool if someone invented a gizmo that pumped gobs and gobs of air into the intake rather than just letting those lazy *** oxygen molecules wander in. I might have the plan that makes me MILLIONS!

Chuck33079 · 10-31-2013, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by H2O_Doc

It would be cool if someone invented a gizmo that pumped gobs and gobs of air into the intake rather than just letting those lazy *** oxygen molecules wander in. I might have the plan that makes me MILLIONS!

Even better, we could use wasted energy to run it. Maybe some type of exhaust-powered turbine.

Trips · 10-31-2013, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by H2O_Doc

It would be cool if someone invented a gizmo that pumped gobs and gobs of air into the intake rather than just letting those lazy *** oxygen molecules wander in. I might have the plan that makes me MILLIONS!

They did it's called "Forced Induction"

Voice59 · 10-31-2013, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

Even better, we could use wasted energy to run it. Maybe some type of exhaust-powered turbine.

LMAOOO!!! Patent it QUICK! Before someone like GTM or FI or even Greddy get their hands on that kind of technolo....oh...$hit.

H2O_Doc · 10-31-2013, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Trips

They did it's called "Forced Induction"

Well that's not a very politically correct name; sounds so brutish. How about something like "highly encouraged induction?"

Chuck33079 · 10-31-2013, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Voice59

LMAOOO!!! Patent it QUICK! Before someone like GTM or FI or even Greddy get their hands on that kind of technolo....oh...$hit.

Ok, that's not going to work. Maybe if we drove it off of a belt instead of the exhaust?

Voice59 · 10-31-2013, 01:22 PM

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Ok, that's not going to work. Maybe if we drove it off of a belt instead of the exhaust?

Whaaaa?!?! Unheard of!!!! This is some Bill Nye stuff..obviously unattainable in the near future. Maybe 2040. Yeah, when the human mind has evolved enough.

Mt Tam I am · 10-31-2013, 01:58 PM

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Well that's not a very politically correct name; sounds so brutish. How about something like "highly encouraged induction?"

Maybe "Bribe pipes" would work.

MadChemist · 10-31-2013, 04:51 PM

Sounds like just having larger filters would provide the largest gain. Don't understand why stillen went the long tube route other than the providing colder air. The only way this is logical is that the reduced pressure is minimal and the gains from the denser air compensates for the loss.

Chuck33079 · 10-31-2013, 05:01 PM

Are you assuming air is being forced into the intake? I'm not sure what pressure you're concerned with reducing. Air is being sucked in from the motor, not forced in from outside.

MadChemist · 10-31-2013, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

Are you assuming air is being forced into the intake? I'm not sure what pressure you're concerned with reducing. Air is being sucked in from the motor, not forced in from outside.

Air is being pulled into the motor due to the increase in volume of the combustion chamber. Increasing the path of the gas, increases the drag slowing the gas fill rate of the chamber. In theory, this should actually cause less O2 to be present in the chamber.

Chuck33079 · 10-31-2013, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by MadChemist

Air is being pulled into the motor due to the increase in volume of the combustion chamber. Increasing the path of the gas, increases the drag slowing the gas fill rate of the chamber. In theory, this should actually cause less O2 to be present in the chamber.

Not if the piping is less restrictive than stock. Between the tubes being smooth unlike stock and the less restrictive filter, its a net positive.

MadChemist · 10-31-2013, 06:22 PM

Did some searching and came across this article. Explains the reason for the long tubes beyond the denser gas intake.

Performance Air Intake Systems - Fact of Fiction - Import Tuner Magazine

synolimit · 10-31-2013, 06:22 PM

I'm going with smoother pipe and a better filter. I'm not going with colder air! The stock intake already is basically a CAI with a nice opening in the front end and it doesn't have the bends the Stillen does. I'm also not going colder air because the aluminium pipe gets HOT! While the plastic and rubber pipes stay cooler.

My CAI I made is almost all silicone pipe. Id put it up against the Stillen and say I make more. Specially on the 3rd pull of a dyno where the Stillen will become heat soaked.

Anyone have a dyno sheet showing 1-3 pulls and is the 3rd lower than 2 or maybe 1?

synolimit · 10-31-2013, 06:34 PM

Hahaha love it!! Shovel where you at?

...successfully proved Helmholtz resonance can be used to increase exhaust gas scavenging and help your ride put out a few extra ponies compared to other aftermarket offerings...

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Chuck33079 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Houston Posts: 12,265 Drives: 2011 370ztt Rep Power: 29539	Are you assuming air is being forced into the intake? I'm not sure what pressure you're concerned with reducing. Air is being sucked in from the motor, not forced in from outside. __________________ 2011 MB Touring-Sport-6sp-Nav/GTM TT/FI TT TDX/JTran/Kosmic/Eibach/Hotchkis/SPC/CSF/RPS/SoThatsWhereAllMyMoneyWent

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synolimit A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2013 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 5,051 Drives: 2013 Silver 370z Rep Power: 3389	I'm going with smoother pipe and a better filter. I'm not going with colder air! The stock intake already is basically a CAI with a nice opening in the front end and it doesn't have the bends the Stillen does. I'm also not going colder air because the aluminium pipe gets HOT! While the plastic and rubber pipes stay cooler. My CAI I made is almost all silicone pipe. Id put it up against the Stillen and say I make more. Specially on the 3rd pull of a dyno where the Stillen will become heat soaked. Anyone have a dyno sheet showing 1-3 pulls and is the 3rd lower than 2 or maybe 1? __________________ 13 370z- Last edited by synolimit; 10-31-2013 at 06:28 PM.

10-31-2013, 06:34 PM	#30 (permalink)
synolimit A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2013 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 5,051 Drives: 2013 Silver 370z Rep Power: 3389	Hahaha love it!! Shovel where you at? ...successfully proved Helmholtz resonance can be used to increase exhaust gas scavenging and help your ride put out a few extra ponies compared to other aftermarket offerings... __________________ 13 370z-

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H2O_Doc A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Northern VA Posts: 1,083 Drives: '14 370Z, '12 4Runr Rep Power: 14	It would be cool if someone invented a gizmo that pumped gobs and gobs of air into the intake rather than just letting those lazy *** oxygen molecules wander in. I might have the plan that makes me MILLIONS!

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MadChemist Enthusiast Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Florida Posts: 412 Drives: 2010 370ZR Rep Power: 13	Sounds like just having larger filters would provide the largest gain. Don't understand why stillen went the long tube route other than the providing colder air. The only way this is logical is that the reduced pressure is minimal and the gains from the denser air compensates for the loss.

10-31-2013, 06:22 PM	#28 (permalink)
MadChemist Enthusiast Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Florida Posts: 412 Drives: 2010 370ZR Rep Power: 13	Did some searching and came across this article. Explains the reason for the long tubes beyond the denser gas intake. Performance Air Intake Systems - Fact of Fiction - Import Tuner Magazine