From HFC to test pipes

Eighties Meta · 08-15-2013, 09:12 PM

Since next dyno will be adding additional parts along with going from HFC to test pipes does anyone know on average the hp/tq gain from hfc to test pipes? I assume fairly small?

Thanks
Kevron

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roy'sz · 08-15-2013, 09:23 PM

I think you loose a little tq but gain in hp. That was the decision on my build.

1cleanZ · 09-23-2013, 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by roy'sz

I think you loose a little tq but gain in hp. That was the decision on my build.

Do we know this for sure? This literally is the Q & A I'm looking for.

Trying to decide between Resonated TPs or Resonated HFCs

roy'sz · 09-23-2013, 12:13 PM

ARK test pipes up to 10hp and 9tq, up to 9hp and 12tq on resonated hfc's.

1cleanZ · 09-23-2013, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by roy'sz

ARK test pipes up to 10hp and 9tq, up to 9hp and 12tq on resonated hfc's.

hmm....That's interesting. I'm curious what differences it would make with say a Gen3 intake, giving it more breathing mods.

TPs, being more wide open, I would think it would gain more HP then just 1 doing TPs over HFCs?

Any other thoughts/dynos/results around this? My setup will be fully Fast Intentions, which my build date is coming up soon.

roy'sz · 09-23-2013, 12:55 PM

I would say my gain is about 30hp after hfc's, catback, gen 3's and m370 manifold. I have similar exhaust as what you are getting

You get more hp with test pipes but more tq with hfc's because of the slight restriction in flow.

Leuz · 09-23-2013, 01:03 PM

Around +25whp with my setup. See signature.

1cleanZ · 09-23-2013, 01:15 PM

Dang it, you guys definitely aren't making the decision any easier....

Even looking at the dyno charts, I might stick w/ my order of RHFCs and just do a non-resonated catback. The only hesitation on my decision was trying to get as much power as I possibly can NA. I almost feel like the TQ #'s would be more usuable power throughout the powerban. Hmmm....

Fast Intentions Resonated HFCS paired with a NONresonated Xpipe
or
Fast Intentions Resonated TPs paired with an 18" resonator in the Xpipe

Tazicon · 09-23-2013, 01:32 PM

You probably won't notice a differance either way you go...........Why is this such a hard decision? I would be looking at cost effectiveness not a gain of 2hp.......or 3foot pounds of torque. Plus if I had a choice I would take torque over horse power any day. That makes it an easy decision.

1cleanZ · 09-23-2013, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Tazicon

You probably won't notice a differance either way you go...........Why is this such a hard decision? I would be looking at cost effectiveness not a gain of 2hp.......or 3foot pounds of torque. Plus if I had a choice I would take torque over horse power any day. That makes it an easy decision.

These are things I don't understand sometimes. We purchase 30-40k cars, and then try and save $1-200 on a $2k setup and sacrafice hp/tq?

Not looking at the cost, looking 100% at:

#1 Gains (HP/TQ)
#2 Sound

Leuz · 09-23-2013, 03:19 PM

OP, when I ordered my HCF + CBE setup I started having your same doubts. Should I need to go with ART pipes or stay with HFC. I spent a month looking at videos, posts and specs and decided to stay with HFC for the following reasons:
- it's my DD and I prefer HFC over TP (mostly afraid of the smell)
- I wanted to go with the same manufacturer to couple HFC+CBE (as someone mentioned already)
Hope this helps making up you your mind.

BOLIO 671 · 09-24-2013, 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1cleanZ

Dang it, you guys definitely aren't making the decision any easier....

Even looking at the dyno charts, I might stick w/ my order of RHFCs and just do a non-resonated catback. The only hesitation on my decision was trying to get as much power as I possibly can NA. I almost feel like the TQ #'s would be more usuable power throughout the powerban. Hmmm....

Fast Intentions Resonated HFCS paired with a NONresonated Xpipe
or
Fast Intentions Resonated TPs paired with an 18" resonator in the Xpipe

As per FI...resonators make no difference on HP/Power gains...The resonators only have an effect on the cabin noise/sound....the bigger the resonator the quieter it is...keep in mind that the 18" Resonated CBE is still louder than stock...FI offers a more deeper tone...Going with TP's will give u rasp/hissing noise and give the exhaust a higher pitched sound compared to running HFC's.

TP's will give u more HP but seen mostly on the top...ending up with u losing torque in the low to midrange area...I personally think that HFC's are the best way to go....I mean how often are u gonna be running ur Z on the top end? And honestly would u be running it at high rpms for long durations?

1cleanZ · 09-24-2013, 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BOLIO 671

As per FI...resonators make no difference on HP/Power gains...The resonators only have an effect on the cabin noise/sound....the bigger the resonator the quieter it is...keep in mind that the 18" Resonated CBE is still lounder than stock...FI offers a more deeer tone...Going with TP's will give u rasp/hissing noise and give the exhaust a higher pitched sound compared to running HFC's.

TP's will give u more HP but seen mostly on the top...ending up with u losing torque in the low to midrange area...I personally think that HFC's are the best way to go....I mean how often are u gonna be running ur Z on the top end? And honestly would u be running it at high rpms for long durations?

Yes, I 100% already know about the products themselves from Fast Intentions, I'm not asking about resonators. I ran RHFCs paired with an 18" resonators in the xpipe on my G37 for over 2 years. I'm very familiar with the products themselves.

I'm strictly asking TP's vs HFCs, benefits vs cons.

And no, test pipes will actually give you a lower, deeper tone, not higher. Yes they may create a bit of rasp, but that's the intent of having resonators in both the TP as well as the Xpipe IF going w/ that setup.

Thanks though. The TQ factor I'm definitely taking into consideration right now. I felt immediate gains on my G37 when installing the RHFCs, even after already having the catback previously over a year.

roy'sz · 09-24-2013, 08:25 PM

To answer your question for the 3rd time in this thread. More hp with testpipe or more tq with hfc.

Hotrodz · 09-24-2013, 08:46 PM

I guess I will add my two cents to the conversation as I am in agreement with Roy. I have a similar setup as the OP except I don't have an after market CAI. When considering all the options and not spending money where I didn't need too, I put my money into ART Pipes and M370 Manifold. I chased tq since the hp gains are not really usable unless running at the top end. If you look at others signature lines or treads they may get another 10whp but they will have almost that same number less in tq. Anyway, it really is about what makes you happy...that's why I decide to go FI and I'm sure there will be something else to want after that! LOL

08-15-2013, 09:12 PM	#1 (permalink)
Eighties Meta Enthusiast Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Pasadena, MD Age: 54 Posts: 344 Drives: 09 370z 7AT no-sport Rep Power: 13	From HFC to test pipes Since next dyno will be adding additional parts along with going from HFC to test pipes does anyone know on average the hp/tq gain from hfc to test pipes? I assume fairly small? Thanks Kevron Sent from my GT-N8013 using Tapatalk 2 __________________ 2009 370z Touring 7AT/AAM 2.5 true dual exhaust/AAM DE test pipes/z1 vqde35 headers/AAM cold air intake (R-line)/Motordyne M370/Quaife LSD/z1 brake upgd pkg/Swift Spec-R springs/WhiteLine Front&Rear sway bars with endlinks

08-15-2013, 09:23 PM	#2 (permalink)
roy'sz A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: palmdale, ca Posts: 1,299 Drives: 2010 nissan 370z Rep Power: 16	I think you loose a little tq but gain in hp. That was the decision on my build. __________________ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtvG...data_playerARK HFC'S-ARK Grip-Stillen G3-M370-UPREV-Kinetix upper control arm-WC Latheworks-Stage2 Bad@$$ Driver(318whp/268tq)-

09-23-2013, 12:13 PM	#4 (permalink)
roy'sz A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: palmdale, ca Posts: 1,299 Drives: 2010 nissan 370z Rep Power: 16	ARK test pipes up to 10hp and 9tq, up to 9hp and 12tq on resonated hfc's. __________________ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtvG...data_playerARK HFC'S-ARK Grip-Stillen G3-M370-UPREV-Kinetix upper control arm-WC Latheworks-Stage2 Bad@$$ Driver(318whp/268tq)-

09-23-2013, 12:55 PM	#6 (permalink)
roy'sz A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: palmdale, ca Posts: 1,299 Drives: 2010 nissan 370z Rep Power: 16	I would say my gain is about 30hp after hfc's, catback, gen 3's and m370 manifold. I have similar exhaust as what you are getting You get more hp with test pipes but more tq with hfc's because of the slight restriction in flow. __________________ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtvG...data_playerARK HFC'S-ARK Grip-Stillen G3-M370-UPREV-Kinetix upper control arm-WC Latheworks-Stage2 Bad@$$ Driver(318whp/268tq)-

09-23-2013, 01:03 PM	#7 (permalink)
Leuz Track Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: NorCal Posts: 555 Drives: Bunny Rep Power: 14	Around +25whp with my setup. See signature. __________________ 2013 PW 370Z Touring+Sport, NAV Tint 35% side, 18% back \| RJM clutch pedal \| ZSpeed SS lines \| Stillen Gen3 CAI \| Fast Intentions HFC and TDX 12'' CF CBE \| UpRev

09-23-2013, 01:15 PM	#8 (permalink)
1cleanZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Twin Cities, MN Posts: 1,132 Drives: '09 PW Nismo Rep Power: 20	Dang it, you guys definitely aren't making the decision any easier.... Even looking at the dyno charts, I might stick w/ my order of RHFCs and just do a non-resonated catback. The only hesitation on my decision was trying to get as much power as I possibly can NA. I almost feel like the TQ #'s would be more usuable power throughout the powerban. Hmmm.... Fast Intentions Resonated HFCS paired with a NONresonated Xpipe or Fast Intentions Resonated TPs paired with an 18" resonator in the Xpipe __________________ 2009 PW Nismo #0021 -My Built Progress >>1cleanG to 1cleanZ<< Team NextLevel

09-23-2013, 01:32 PM	#9 (permalink)
Tazicon Track Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Vegas Baby! Posts: 773 Drives: German/British cars Rep Power: 14	You probably won't notice a differance either way you go...........Why is this such a hard decision? I would be looking at cost effectiveness not a gain of 2hp.......or 3foot pounds of torque. Plus if I had a choice I would take torque over horse power any day. That makes it an easy decision.

09-23-2013, 03:19 PM	#11 (permalink)
Leuz Track Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: NorCal Posts: 555 Drives: Bunny Rep Power: 14	OP, when I ordered my HCF + CBE setup I started having your same doubts. Should I need to go with ART pipes or stay with HFC. I spent a month looking at videos, posts and specs and decided to stay with HFC for the following reasons: - it's my DD and I prefer HFC over TP (mostly afraid of the smell) - I wanted to go with the same manufacturer to couple HFC+CBE (as someone mentioned already) Hope this helps making up you your mind. __________________ 2013 PW 370Z Touring+Sport, NAV Tint 35% side, 18% back \| RJM clutch pedal \| ZSpeed SS lines \| Stillen Gen3 CAI \| Fast Intentions HFC and TDX 12'' CF CBE \| UpRev

09-24-2013, 08:25 PM	#14 (permalink)
roy'sz A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: palmdale, ca Posts: 1,299 Drives: 2010 nissan 370z Rep Power: 16	To answer your question for the 3rd time in this thread. More hp with testpipe or more tq with hfc. BOLIO 671 and NismoZ70 like this. __________________ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtvG...data_playerARK HFC'S-ARK Grip-Stillen G3-M370-UPREV-Kinetix upper control arm-WC Latheworks-Stage2 Bad@$$ Driver(318whp/268tq)-

09-24-2013, 08:46 PM	#15 (permalink)
Hotrodz A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: NW, AZ Posts: 9,330 Drives: 10 Nissan 370z Nismo Rep Power: 2684385	I guess I will add my two cents to the conversation as I am in agreement with Roy. I have a similar setup as the OP except I don't have an after market CAI. When considering all the options and not spending money where I didn't need too, I put my money into ART Pipes and M370 Manifold. I chased tq since the hp gains are not really usable unless running at the top end. If you look at others signature lines or treads they may get another 10whp but they will have almost that same number less in tq. Anyway, it really is about what makes you happy...that's why I decide to go FI and I'm sure there will be something else to want after that! LOL BOLIO 671 likes this. __________________ *Fast Intentions TT Installed and Tuned by Seb at SpecialtyZ 610whp 560tq:\|Fast Intentions 3" TT-TDX*\|SpecialtyZ/Fast Intentions 72 Row Oil Cooler\|SZ 6 Puck Clutch & Flywheel\|3GsCustoms\|Z1\|Wavetrac\|Hotchkis\|Whiteline \|Blitz\|Fortune Auto 500\|Fujimura\|SPL\|H&R\|TK\|TWM\|RPM Rollbar\|Sparco\|Next Level Performance\|TrackSpec\|AeroFlow Dynamics\|Pioneer\|

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