Air filter - Fram CA10544 extra guard

zefaulter · 07-05-2013, 10:23 AM

I haven't started too many threads thanks to search feature but I haven't been able to find enough info on the fram air filter.

Why I wouldn't get K&Ns? I'm not comfortable with maintenance and oiling them. Not interested in the minimal gains really either. Don't want to risk getting dust/debris in my engine or oil on my MAF.

Now, choices:
-OEM filters?
-Fram extra guard CA10544. (too restrictive?)

Any thoughts?

DEpointfive0 · 07-05-2013, 10:31 AM

So throw them away? With 2 filters you should be able to go much further than their 50k estimate

Now, if you don't want oiled, I believe Cosworth makes dry filters

Sh0velMan · 07-05-2013, 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zefaulter

I haven't started too many threads thanks to search feature but I haven't been able to find enough info on the fram air filter.

Why I wouldn't get K&Ns? I'm not comfortable with maintenance and oiling them. Not interested in the minimal gains really either. Don't want to risk getting dusk/debris in my engine or oil on my MAF.

Now, choices:
-OEM filters?
-Fram extra guard CA10544. (too restrictive?)

Any thoughts?

K&N aren't "minimal gains" just so you know.

9WHP, Dyno proven.

Maintenance is minimal, you can go 50K miles at least without messing with them.

The cosworth filters reduced power in pretty much every test they've been in.

zefaulter · 07-05-2013, 11:36 AM

9WHP without a tune? I know aFe has dry filters as well but not sure if they're good

Sh0velMan · 07-05-2013, 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zefaulter

9WHP without a tune? I know aFe has dry filters as well but not sure if they're good

9WHP without a tune. I did a pull, swapped them, did another pull, swapped them back, did another.

Difference was exactly 9WHP both times.

Others have done similar tests and the results are measurable.

speedfreek · 07-05-2013, 11:48 AM

I am running the aFe Pro Dry S filters. Id be willing to bet they get similar gains as K&N. Seeing as how the Stillen G3 and Takeda Stage 2 CAI stack up and each run K&N and aFe respectively.

DEpointfive0 · 07-05-2013, 12:46 PM

As much as I know ShOvelman has like 200 dyno runs under his belt, I just don't buy 9WHP.
I'd need 3+ consecutive pulls, then a swap, then 4+ pulls (one more than the first time to really get the car hot)

zefaulter · 07-05-2013, 12:55 PM

I don't know if the ECU can update itself that fast either. It sounds too good to be true

Sh0velMan · 07-05-2013, 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zefaulter

I don't know if the ECU can update itself that fast either. It sounds too good to be true

It doesn't need to adjust for anything, it's just a change in air resistance, no resonance or piping diameter changes at all.

And Andrew, you should just trust me on this one, we did lots of pulls with and without. I could probably get the dyno sheets if I went and dug around on the dyno PC...but I probably won't bother.

zefaulter · 07-05-2013, 03:04 PM

Fine, I'm convinced. I just need to get new filters

Is the oiling application included when you get filters?

Sh0velMan · 07-05-2013, 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zefaulter

Fine, I'm convinced. I just need to get new filters

Is the oiling application included when you get filters?

They come ready to rock. You get instructions with the "recharge kit" when you need it, but I'd plan on at least 30-40K before you even think about it.

zefaulter · 07-05-2013, 03:56 PM

Awesome! Thanks man. Kinda feel bad this turned into another k&n thread lol

6MT · 07-05-2013, 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zefaulter

I haven't started too many threads thanks to search feature but I haven't been able to find enough info on the fram air filter.

Why I wouldn't get K&Ns? I'm not comfortable with maintenance and oiling them. Not interested in the minimal gains really either. Don't want to risk getting dust/debris in my engine or oil on my MAF.

Now, choices:
-OEM filters?
-Fram extra guard CA10544. (too restrictive?)

Any thoughts?

Just how do you figure that Fram filters are "restrictive"? A little documentation to back up your claim please......

chrischhorn · 07-05-2013, 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sh0velMan

They come ready to rock. You get instructions with the "recharge kit" when you need it, but I'd plan on at least 30-40K before you even think about it.

Not to mention recharging it takes only about an hour........50 mins of it being it drying after the clean.....

Sh0velMan · 07-05-2013, 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chrischhorn

Not to mention recharging it takes only about an hour........50 mins of it being it drying after the clean.....

yup yup.

(I used to use a hair drier on mine... impatient)

07-05-2013, 10:23 AM	#1 (permalink)
zefaulter A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,983 Drives: 40th 370Z Rep Power: 27	Air filter - Fram CA10544 extra guard I haven't started too many threads thanks to search feature but I haven't been able to find enough info on the fram air filter. Why I wouldn't get K&Ns? I'm not comfortable with maintenance and oiling them. Not interested in the minimal gains really either. Don't want to risk getting dust/debris in my engine or oil on my MAF. Now, choices: -OEM filters? -Fram extra guard CA10544. (too restrictive?) Any thoughts? Last edited by zefaulter; 07-05-2013 at 11:26 AM.

07-05-2013, 10:31 AM	#2 (permalink)
DEpointfive0 Premium Member Bitches Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: SoCal Posts: 14,824 Drives: a lot Rep Power: 17151	So throw them away? With 2 filters you should be able to go much further than their 50k estimate Now, if you don't want oiled, I believe Cosworth makes dry filters __________________ Do YOU want to know what/where I got my username from? ( Click to show/hide ) NSFW due to language:

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DEpointfive0 Premium Member Bitches Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: SoCal Posts: 14,824 Drives: a lot Rep Power: 17151	As much as I know ShOvelman has like 200 dyno runs under his belt, I just don't buy 9WHP. I'd need 3+ consecutive pulls, then a swap, then 4+ pulls (one more than the first time to really get the car hot) Spartan 1771 likes this. __________________ Do YOU want to know what/where I got my username from? ( Click to show/hide ) NSFW due to language:

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