Bolt-ons = less restrictive, Better MPG???

Phimosis · 07-27-2009, 04:05 AM

The computer uses a mass air flow sensor in the intake and O2 sensors in the exhaust. It tells it how much air is going into the engine, which then allows the computer to decide how much gas to send in with it. If it is too much fuel, the O2 sensor will detect that it is too rich and decrease the dwell time on the fuel injector to lean the mixture. That way the A/F ratio stays around 12.0:1. This does not make the most power! The best ratio is around 14.0:1 air to gas ratio, but that mixture runs quite hot and you can melt pistons in a performance engine. You can get away with that lean mixture in a Toyota Prius, but not in an angine that can spin 7,500 rpm and make close to 100 hp/liter.

With that said, if youre in 120 degree heat, the air is less dense and the MAF sensor will detect that. It will decrease how much fuel is injected to maintain that 12.0:1 A/F ratio. You'll make less power and use less gas.

If you put headers, exhaust and intakes on your car and gain 40hp, it's because those less restrictive parts are letting more air into the engine. The MAF will sense that and increase how much fuel is injected in order to maintain the 12.0:1 A/F ratio. Then, Viola! More power at the expense of more gas.

If you are getting better gas mileage, it's either because 1) you're making less power. Or 2) your A/F ratio is running leaner than what Nissan wants it to and may be at risk of damaging your engine.

I too learned the addage that headers will decrease backpressure and increase fuel mileage, but that was in the 70's in an era of carburation and restrictive intake/exhaust setups. In those cars, going to a free flowing exhaust would, in fact, lean out the jetting and you would get more power per fuel used because the carburator can't adjust the A/F ratio unless you manually change the jets in it.

kannibul · 07-27-2009, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Phimosis

The computer uses a mass air flow sensor in the intake and O2 sensors in the exhaust. It tells it how much air is going into the engine, which then allows the computer to decide how much gas to send in with it. If it is too much fuel, the O2 sensor will detect that it is too rich and decrease the dwell time on the fuel injector to lean the mixture. That way the A/F ratio stays around 12.0:1. This does not make the most power! The best ratio is around 14.0:1 air to gas ratio, but that mixture runs quite hot and you can melt pistons in a performance engine. You can get away with that lean mixture in a Toyota Prius, but not in an angine that can spin 7,500 rpm and make close to 100 hp/liter.

With that said, if youre in 120 degree heat, the air is less dense and the MAF sensor will detect that. It will decrease how much fuel is injected to maintain that 12.0:1 A/F ratio. You'll make less power and use less gas.

If you put headers, exhaust and intakes on your car and gain 40hp, it's because those less restrictive parts are letting more air into the engine. The MAF will sense that and increase how much fuel is injected in order to maintain the 12.0:1 A/F ratio. Then, Viola! More power at the expense of more gas.

If you are getting better gas mileage, it's either because 1) you're making less power. Or 2) your A/F ratio is running leaner than what Nissan wants it to and may be at risk of damaging your engine.

I too learned the addage that headers will decrease backpressure and increase fuel mileage, but that was in the 70's in an era of carburation and restrictive intake/exhaust setups. In those cars, going to a free flowing exhaust would, in fact, lean out the jetting and you would get more power per fuel used because the carburator can't adjust the A/F ratio unless you manually change the jets in it.

Exactly!

>135I · 07-27-2009, 10:35 AM

I noticed when I put on the Berk test pipes my MPGs went up slightly. Also the Berk test pipes are the only mod I have installed so far.

tranceformer · 07-27-2009, 01:34 PM

TBH, adding power mods will probably make you drive the car harder than you already do. Which would definitely kill your gas mileage. To answer your original question, I doubt any mods would make much of a difference.

RCZ · 07-27-2009, 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phimosis

The computer uses a mass air flow sensor in the intake and O2 sensors in the exhaust. It tells it how much air is going into the engine, which then allows the computer to decide how much gas to send in with it. If it is too much fuel, the O2 sensor will detect that it is too rich and decrease the dwell time on the fuel injector to lean the mixture. That way the A/F ratio stays around 12.0:1. This does not make the most power! The best ratio is around 14.0:1 air to gas ratio, but that mixture runs quite hot and you can melt pistons in a performance engine. You can get away with that lean mixture in a Toyota Prius, but not in an angine that can spin 7,500 rpm and make close to 100 hp/liter.

With that said, if youre in 120 degree heat, the air is less dense and the MAF sensor will detect that. It will decrease how much fuel is injected to maintain that 12.0:1 A/F ratio. You'll make less power and use less gas.

If you put headers, exhaust and intakes on your car and gain 40hp, it's because those less restrictive parts are letting more air into the engine. The MAF will sense that and increase how much fuel is injected in order to maintain the 12.0:1 A/F ratio. Then, Viola! More power at the expense of more gas.

If you are getting better gas mileage, it's either because 1) you're making less power. Or 2) your A/F ratio is running leaner than what Nissan wants it to and may be at risk of damaging your engine.

I too learned the addage that headers will decrease backpressure and increase fuel mileage, but that was in the 70's in an era of carburation and restrictive intake/exhaust setups. In those cars, going to a free flowing exhaust would, in fact, lean out the jetting and you would get more power per fuel used because the carburator can't adjust the A/F ratio unless you manually change the jets in it.

I've already replied to two extensive threads with this exact answer before. I really didnt feel like doing it a third time. Thanks
More power = more air = more fuel...thats what I meant with the tapping into free-energy comment. By definition more power means more energy and that requires more fuel.

The only case I could see maybe a increase of mpg and power is if you got intakes that dont necessarily flow better, but simply trick the MAF sensors to get the ECU to run a leaner mixture. The car would make more power and use less fuel...theoretically.

You could also do this with a simple tune. Lean out the target AFR and voila, more power, less fuel. (More heat --> detonation --> you french fry instead of pizza and have a bad time)

dad · 07-27-2009, 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phimosis

The computer uses a mass air flow sensor in the intake and O2 sensors in the exhaust. It tells it how much air is going into the engine, which then allows the computer to decide how much gas to send in with it. If it is too much fuel, the O2 sensor will detect that it is too rich and decrease the dwell time on the fuel injector to lean the mixture. That way the A/F ratio stays around 12.0:1. This does not make the most power! The best ratio is around 14.0:1 air to gas ratio, but that mixture runs quite hot and you can melt pistons in a performance engine. You can get away with that lean mixture in a Toyota Prius, but not in an angine that can spin 7,500 rpm and make close to 100 hp/liter.

With that said, if youre in 120 degree heat, the air is less dense and the MAF sensor will detect that. It will decrease how much fuel is injected to maintain that 12.0:1 A/F ratio. You'll make less power and use less gas.

If you put headers, exhaust and intakes on your car and gain 40hp, it's because those less restrictive parts are letting more air into the engine. The MAF will sense that and increase how much fuel is injected in order to maintain the 12.0:1 A/F ratio. Then, Viola! More power at the expense of more gas.

If you are getting better gas mileage, it's either because 1) you're making less power. Or 2) your A/F ratio is running leaner than what Nissan wants it to and may be at risk of damaging your engine.

I too learned the addage that headers will decrease backpressure and increase fuel mileage, but that was in the 70's in an era of carburation and restrictive intake/exhaust setups. In those cars, going to a free flowing exhaust would, in fact, lean out the jetting and you would get more power per fuel used because the carburator can't adjust the A/F ratio unless you manually change the jets in it.

Excellent explanation

37Z · 07-28-2009, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by frost

Can't speak for the 370, but I've had a lot of bolt ons for my other cars, and there is a small improvement. Nothing that you can use to justify buying parts to the wife though

"What happens in my garage stays in my garage"! Yeah, I've notice a small MPG improvement (approx. 0.5 - 1.5 mph) depending on driving conditions - nothing to brag about.

07-27-2009, 10:35 AM	#18 (permalink)
>135I Enthusiast Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Radcliff, KY Age: 42 Posts: 409 Drives: 2003 Cobra Rep Power: 16	I noticed when I put on the Berk test pipes my MPGs went up slightly. Also the Berk test pipes are the only mod I have installed so far. __________________ I will miss my Z. I hope she goes to a good home.

07-27-2009, 01:34 PM	#19 (permalink)
tranceformer A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Palm Beach, FL Posts: 1,213 Drives: 2009 370Z PW 6MT Rep Power: 268	TBH, adding power mods will probably make you drive the car harder than you already do. Which would definitely kill your gas mileage. To answer your original question, I doubt any mods would make much of a difference. __________________ Ray 2009 370Z Base Sport 6MT / 12.860 @ 109.09mph / 1.921 60ft / street tires official 1/4 mile track times

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Phimosis Enthusiast Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Oildale, CA Posts: 412 Drives: 2013 911 4S Rep Power: 416	The computer uses a mass air flow sensor in the intake and O2 sensors in the exhaust. It tells it how much air is going into the engine, which then allows the computer to decide how much gas to send in with it. If it is too much fuel, the O2 sensor will detect that it is too rich and decrease the dwell time on the fuel injector to lean the mixture. That way the A/F ratio stays around 12.0:1. This does not make the most power! The best ratio is around 14.0:1 air to gas ratio, but that mixture runs quite hot and you can melt pistons in a performance engine. You can get away with that lean mixture in a Toyota Prius, but not in an angine that can spin 7,500 rpm and make close to 100 hp/liter. With that said, if youre in 120 degree heat, the air is less dense and the MAF sensor will detect that. It will decrease how much fuel is injected to maintain that 12.0:1 A/F ratio. You'll make less power and use less gas. If you put headers, exhaust and intakes on your car and gain 40hp, it's because those less restrictive parts are letting more air into the engine. The MAF will sense that and increase how much fuel is injected in order to maintain the 12.0:1 A/F ratio. Then, Viola! More power at the expense of more gas. If you are getting better gas mileage, it's either because 1) you're making less power. Or 2) your A/F ratio is running leaner than what Nissan wants it to and may be at risk of damaging your engine. I too learned the addage that headers will decrease backpressure and increase fuel mileage, but that was in the 70's in an era of carburation and restrictive intake/exhaust setups. In those cars, going to a free flowing exhaust would, in fact, lean out the jetting and you would get more power per fuel used because the carburator can't adjust the A/F ratio unless you manually change the jets in it.