More airflow to intakes

MJB · 05-18-2013, 06:54 PM

I'm sure somebody has done something similar to this, just haven't seen a thread about it. I think anybody using Stillen G3/ Takeda/ litespeed ect. style intakes can really benefit from this.

After I installed my G3's, I noticed that if you look through the front facia and up towards the crash bar where the filters are located, they are completely blocked by the foam crash absorber. Now, I know that these style intakes are dyno proven, I just felt like there could still be some improvement with airflow. Some people might say "well why not just remove the foam"... If you look on the back side of your bumper, there are some same square foam pieces glued on. Those actually rest on the foam absorber. So its probably best not to completely remove it.

Went to Lowes this morning and bought a 2ftx2ft 26guage piece of aluminum sheet metal for 24 bucks. They had smaller pieces for around 10 bucks, which would have also worked. The piece I bought was a little overkill. You could get a thicker piece as well. I only had tin snips to cut it with, so I felt the 26guage was thick enough and would be durable enough.

Cut some slots out of the foam absorber where the filters are located. Then I measured and cut the aluminum to the right sizes. Did a few bends, then I lightly sanded and spray painted, drilled a couple small holes on the crash bar and used some screws to mount ... and wallah! Now I have some deflectors to guide more air up to the filters. I'm sure this may only add 1 or 2hp, if any. Buuuut, we all know in the N/A world, that any weight you can shed, or HP you can add is a huge plus!

Not sure how much room a regular Z has in its bumper to do this, as I have a Nismo. Also, this would probably allow water to be able to reach the filters... Mine is a only nice weather, weekend warrior so that wasn't a concern for me. Just thought I would share if anybody was interested.

*The pictures of the finish product were taken upward through the fascia... if you were to just look at it on a knee straight on, you can barely see the deflectors. I know they look alittle sloppy in the pics from the angle I took them from.

stevent85 · 05-19-2013, 01:51 AM

Looks pretty good. Id just be worried when it rains as some rain would follow up the same air shaft.

Gibby1113 · 05-19-2013, 03:16 AM

This is pretty creative. No one has thought or tried anything like this before. But like you mentioned it might be easier for water to enter the filter. Quick question though. Considering most of us drive at pretty fast speeds won't the force applied to the front of the car mess with your design and kinda flatten the bend of the ramp you did yourself for the air to go to the filter? Idk just a thought. And if it a problem would it be better to weld the desired form? Idk just throwing out ideas. It would be cool to see some numbers if this little mod makes a difference. Either way +1 rep for creativity for you sir!

MJB · 05-19-2013, 03:24 AM

It is a possibility that water can make its way up to the filters. My Z isn't a DD, just a nice weather weekends only kinda car. So if anyone does this do it at your own risk. The aluminum is pretty sturdy, like I had mentioned its 26guage, so I don't think at higher speeds it will flex back much. I pushed it with my fingers and its really really strong. Plus you can always buy thicker aluminum if you want.

*The bottom bend part only has about an inch exposed from the fascia opening. From the pictures it looks like it hangs down a lot more than it actually does.

Gibby1113 · 05-19-2013, 03:29 AM

Well there you go

V8Killer · 05-19-2013, 10:52 AM

Just playing devils advocate but in a full frontal collision by removing that foam would that hurt you on a insurance claim for modifying the structure of the vehicle?

SouthArk370Z · 05-19-2013, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by V8Killer

Just playing devils advocate but in a full frontal collision by removing that foam would that hurt you on a insurance claim for modifying the structure of the vehicle?

Your best bet would be to contact your insurance agent and get his/her opinion. If you're paranoid, get a friend to call from a phone not associated with you.

The mods _shouldn't_ affect your liability coverage, but might affect your comprehensive. <insert standard disclaimers here>

synolimit · 05-19-2013, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by V8Killer

Just playing devils advocate but in a full frontal collision by removing that foam would that hurt you on a insurance claim for modifying the structure of the vehicle?

Lol its not the crash beam, its a peice of form. Even then the crash beam only stops 5-10mph accidents. I don't think I've ever heard of someone with FMIC replacing the crash beam ever having issues.

My issue with this is drivability. I've done this to other cars and the wind blowing in messes with the MAF sensor. At idle you're fine but imagine at 50mph the MAF expects to see xxx amount of air, but then a huge wind blows against the car because its just a windy day. The MAF is expected to only see what it thinks it should at 50mph at whatever gear or RPM you're at. That wind blows in and it thinks the car is going faster than it really is and starts adjusting the A/F ratio. Again I've done this on other cars and it makes it super annoying to drive and it bogs, hesitates ect under light throttle and in closed loop map setting. Under WOT open loop it was fine.

MJB · 05-19-2013, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by synollimit

Lol its not the crash beam, its a peice of form. Even then the crash beam only stops 5-10mph accidents. I don't think I've ever heard of someone with FMIC replacing the crash beam ever having issues.

My issue with this is drivability. I've done this to other cars and the wind blowing in messes with the MAF sensor. At idle you're fine but imagine at 50mph the MAF expects to see xxx amount of air, but then a huge wind blows against the car because its just a windy day. The MAF is expected to only see what it thinks it should at 50mph at whatever gear or RPM you're at. That wind blows in and it thinks the car it going faster than it really is and starts adjusting the A/F ratio. Again I've done this on other cars and it makes it super annoying to drive and it bogs, hesitates ect under light throttle and in closed loop map setting. Under WOT open loop it was fine.

So far everything is fine. Drove it all day yesterday and didn't notice any hesitation or anything. I am Uprev'd tuned, but since I put another exhaust on and this mod I could probably do some adjusting.

Gibby1113 · 05-19-2013, 01:16 PM

Are you going to put it on a dyno by any chance?

MJB · 05-19-2013, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Gibby1113

Are you going to put it on a dyno by any chance?

I probably will soon since my tune was done in Texas, and I'm living in WA state now. Plus I changed my exhaust setup and running 92octane now. (Texas has 93)

Gibby1113 · 05-19-2013, 02:06 PM

Sweet. Hey how are you liking the litespeed exhaust? I've seen a couple of YouTube videos and its pretty awesome bro! How much did you get it for? If you don't mind me asking

synolimit · 05-19-2013, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by MJB

So far everything is fine. Drove it all day yesterday and didn't notice any hesitation or anything. I am Uprev'd tuned, but since I put another exhaust on and this mod I could probably do some adjusting.

That's good. The MAF is up further in the pipe then I'm used to plus it has the 90* bend to deal with which should slow the air flow in as its not a huge ram air effect.

axmea? · 05-19-2013, 03:07 PM

I like where you are going but think it was not necessary. Your getting enough CA already. Find a way to filter off any debris that will end up on your filters like a mesh screen. More susceptible to bugs, rocks, cig butts, paper, etc. Also try to figure out how to protect from hydrolock when it rains.

As for your insurance issues, the body shops will be able to tell if it was modded or altered they've done so many of these to tell the difference. The question is will they tell on you.

MJB · 05-19-2013, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by axmea?

I like where you are going but think it was not necessary.

You are probably right. Like I said, this may add 1 or 2hp, if any. I just noticed the foam absorber limited the amount of air to the filters. Maybe its different on a non Nismo Z. I just think Nissan did a really poor job with the aerodynamics and airflow to the engine, brakes, differential, ect.

05-19-2013, 01:51 AM	#2 (permalink)
stevent85 Track Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: El Paso, TX Posts: 928 Drives: 2011 370Z NISMO Rep Power: 14	Looks pretty good. Id just be worried when it rains as some rain would follow up the same air shaft. __________________ Takeda stage 2 CAI, Z1 HFC, GREDDY Turbo TI-C

05-19-2013, 03:16 AM	#3 (permalink)
Gibby1113 Enthusiast Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: On open empty highways Posts: 366 Drives: 40th anniversary Rep Power: 13	This is pretty creative. No one has thought or tried anything like this before. But like you mentioned it might be easier for water to enter the filter. Quick question though. Considering most of us drive at pretty fast speeds won't the force applied to the front of the car mess with your design and kinda flatten the bend of the ramp you did yourself for the air to go to the filter? Idk just a thought. And if it a problem would it be better to weld the desired form? Idk just throwing out ideas. It would be cool to see some numbers if this little mod makes a difference. Either way +1 rep for creativity for you sir! __________________ 40th anniversary #450/1000 \| Takeda Attack CAI \| Ark DTS exhaust \| to be continued...

05-19-2013, 03:24 AM	#4 (permalink)
MJB A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Tacoma, WA Age: 41 Posts: 1,498 Drives: a POS truck Rep Power: 496	It is a possibility that water can make its way up to the filters. My Z isn't a DD, just a nice weather weekends only kinda car. So if anyone does this do it at your own risk. The aluminum is pretty sturdy, like I had mentioned its 26guage, so I don't think at higher speeds it will flex back much. I pushed it with my fingers and its really really strong. Plus you can always buy thicker aluminum if you want. The bottom bend part only has about an inch exposed from the fascia opening. From the pictures it looks like it hangs down a lot more than it actually does. Gibby1113 likes this. __________________ 09 Nismo #0483 sold. Viper or C7 next time around. Last edited by MJB; 05-19-2013 at 11:57 AM.*

05-19-2013, 03:29 AM	#5 (permalink)
Gibby1113 Enthusiast Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: On open empty highways Posts: 366 Drives: 40th anniversary Rep Power: 13	Well there you go __________________ 40th anniversary #450/1000 \| Takeda Attack CAI \| Ark DTS exhaust \| to be continued...

05-19-2013, 10:52 AM	#6 (permalink)
V8Killer A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Newport, NC Posts: 1,127 Drives: It Hard Till It Pops Rep Power: 16	Just playing devils advocate but in a full frontal collision by removing that foam would that hurt you on a insurance claim for modifying the structure of the vehicle? __________________ "Punch" Too much to list and a baby shot of nitrous....

05-19-2013, 01:16 PM	#10 (permalink)
Gibby1113 Enthusiast Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: On open empty highways Posts: 366 Drives: 40th anniversary Rep Power: 13	Are you going to put it on a dyno by any chance? __________________ 40th anniversary #450/1000 \| Takeda Attack CAI \| Ark DTS exhaust \| to be continued...

05-19-2013, 02:06 PM	#12 (permalink)
Gibby1113 Enthusiast Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: On open empty highways Posts: 366 Drives: 40th anniversary Rep Power: 13	Sweet. Hey how are you liking the litespeed exhaust? I've seen a couple of YouTube videos and its pretty awesome bro! How much did you get it for? If you don't mind me asking __________________ 40th anniversary #450/1000 \| Takeda Attack CAI \| Ark DTS exhaust \| to be continued...

05-19-2013, 03:07 PM	#14 (permalink)
axmea? A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: SoCal Posts: 6,236 Drives: WELL ZED PW 6MT Rep Power: 53241	I like where you are going but think it was not necessary. Your getting enough CA already. Find a way to filter off any debris that will end up on your filters like a mesh screen. More susceptible to bugs, rocks, cig butts, paper, etc. Also try to figure out how to protect from hydrolock when it rains. As for your insurance issues, the body shops will be able to tell if it was modded or altered they've done so many of these to tell the difference. The question is will they tell on you. Gibby1113 likes this. __________________ >MyZ's Album< NISMO Convert/ECUTEK/Takeda CAI/F.I. HFC NR CB Carbon/F.I. 34 Row Oil Cooler/4.08 Final Drive /Powertrix+Swifts/Hotchkis/SPL/Whiteline/TWM/Zoom Engineering/EVO-R/AeroJacket Vented CF Fenders + CF Spoiler/Avant Garde-WORK/NST/Morimoto Halo/STi Clear Lenses/Carbon Signal Automotive/RJM Performance/ZSpeed Clutch Flywheel CSC delete

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