basic NA mods vs. Turbo kits

jcosta79

Twin Turbos


/thread

__________________
2012 PW NISMO #0559 - GT Spec Brace Kit - Swift Springs - ARK TP & Invidia CBE K&N Intake - UpRev Tune - 15mm Z1 Spacers & Studs - StopTech Slotted Rotors & SS Lines - ZSpeed CMAK with Stage 2 Clutch and Lightweight Flywheel

faya

that is a good point. would it just cost 5g for supercharging? any other car part that needs to be changed when you go this direction? additional cost?

bear with me guys, i am just learning.. i need guidance.. thanks!

SS_Firehawk

I would recommend supporting mods. Oil cooler, upgraded clutch/flywheel (not necessary, but recommended), CAI (resale after you install SC), exhaust, (2.5in minimum), HFC's/TP's/LTH's (only Stillen, GTM stage 1, and GTM twin superchargers are known to fit with the LTH's), M370 intake manifold (most like this mod, some don't, may not be necessary with FI).

I would also look into a better set of tires, and a brake upgrade. Suspension upgrades are also a recommendation... Depending on the kit, just the parts alone will start at $6,000 and top out around $8,000. Twin superchargers start at $10,000. If you do turbo's, Boosted Performance has a damn good turbo kit that can be installed in your garage over a weekend for around $6500 If I remember. GTM has a 16G, 18G, and 20G kit that will be released soon that should be competitive with that price, they also have higher end kits that scale up to retarded amounts of power. Greddy has their kit available, but is more expensive and you have to buy your own fuel system and tuning. Lastly Fast Intentions is putting the finishing touches on their twin turbo kit. No pricing yet, but I'm anticipating around the same price as GTM's scalable twin turbo kits.

Expect to spend $10,000 installed and tuned to do everything right...minimum.

__________________

DBloc

^ i agree with What he said, after doing some research on this forum for a few months it seems like bp may have a kit with a diy install that may cost you around what you would spend with all out NA bolt ons and has a bigger upside when it come to hp/tq numbers.

faya

Expect to spend $10,000 installed and tuned to do everything right...minimum.[/QUOTE]


are we talking SC or Turbo here? thanks!

Eighties Meta

if you are happy with the performance of the car in it's stock form and just want some extra hop to it then NA bolt-ons seem to be the way to go. The general concensus seems to be Cat-back exhaust, Intakes, High flow cats and a tune. Don't skimp on the quality of the parts or the installation and you will most likely be trouble free if you take care of it.

__________________
2009 370z Touring 7AT/AAM 2.5 true dual exhaust/AAM DE test pipes/z1 vqde35 headers/AAM cold air intake (R-line)/Motordyne M370/Quaife LSD/z1 brake upgd pkg/Swift Spec-R springs/WhiteLine Front&Rear sway bars with endlinks

bullitt5897

SC: $5~$10k
TT: $15~$25k
Insane TT: $50k~$100k+

NA: $5k~$15k

These prices all depend on brands and installation. That will vary your costs...

__________________
Shop Cars: 2013 318whp Nismo VspecII 370z *SOLD*, 2009 1000hp+ 93oct 4.0L TT 370z Fast Intentions STAGE 4 #054

edub370

na will max out around 340whp with bolt ons. if u wanna go crazy and get JUN cams, and head work u can maybe see north of 350+. but that will be it without going crazy tho

__________________

faya

thanks for all the inputs. what is basically the difference of SC vs TT. does it mean that since TT is more expensive, this will produce more HP and TQ? how much would be the difference? let us compare both kits stage one..

who would you go to when you want SC? thanks!

edub370

Both..sc will be slightly less pricey. But a gtm stage 1 with all supporting mods, installed, will set u back over $10k. Tbh, that's prolly on the low dude

__________________

SS_Firehawk

It's not impossible to get everything done for $10,000... But you will be missing key mods. Boosted Performance, you might be able to do yourself and take that savings to buy yourself an exhaust. Midpipe back, or get the fast intentions bundle deal. Caution that it only comes with a 19 row oil cooler, it's seriously, just big enough to handle basic shenanigans. Any prolonged bullshittery requires something larger. That is my recommendation if you are finding the most inexpensive way in. It's top quality to boot. So don't take the inexpensive price as a slight to taking shortcuts, it is a complete and bad @ss system.

__________________

MyKindaGuise

Do a custom put together FI setup. You don't need a kit to go FI. My build with all supporting mods isn't even close to 10k. I am only using a single turbo for my build which saves some cash but not when you're looking at a $1600 turbo. If you cant DIY then a kit is a must but you will pay for it.

For support mods aim for 2-3k alone(oil cooler, clutch flywheel csc,etc.)That's probably a little high but I always say plan for more and be happier when it costs less (=

__________________
|445whp398tq|
|BW S259 Turbo|3" Downpipe\Exhaust|ID1000|AeroMotive|Tial|EcuTek|BC BR|S0-4|MaffFab|
MKGs-Single-Turbo

G37sHKS

See, you are missing some keys here,

If you went down the GTM website and saw the SC that you want for say 6k, that doesn't mean the whole process will cost that much.

You still need to install, tune, get high flow exhaust, high flow cats, engine oil cooler, transmission oil cooler and GTM valve body upgrade or upgrade your MT with high performance clutch and flywheel. Im sure I missed a lot of things but lets assume we are done here, then you need extreme tires because with SC power with stock tires all you'll do is slip slip slip slip.. useless if you're asking me.

Oh did I mentioned that you "MAY" want more power and build the engine later on after SC is installed?

Think again.

__________________

bullitt5897

I will Post this again since it seems to be ignored...

The following is what you should expect to pay for the kit + Install + supporting Mods:

SC: $5~$10k
TT: $15~$25k
Insane TT: $50k~$100k+

NA: $5k~$15k

On the SC'er setup I know there were a few used sets going pretty cheap beware of used kits! Save yourself the hassle and buy a new one and not worry about broken or missing parts.

Like others have said expect another $2-3k+ on supporting mods for your kit. a typical GTM kit all said and done with supporting mods will cost you $15k+... If you want to go SC or TT call GTM!!! The guys are soooo helpful and will make sure you think of everything. Also, be prepared to replace your engine at any time! trust me when they decide to go they will go wether your on the highway at speed or in my case driving through the grocery store parking lot after just filling up with gas...


Boom!!!!

there went $5k for a new stock motor or $10k for a built one installed.


This is an expensive en devour make sure you have the funds and the PATIENCE to go down this road!!!

Mike

__________________
Shop Cars: 2013 318whp Nismo VspecII 370z *SOLD*, 2009 1000hp+ 93oct 4.0L TT 370z Fast Intentions STAGE 4 #054

FortuneLSX-TT

#1. You mentioned longevity of 10 to 15 years.

I would have to say I think the kits are very reliable and a lot of it depends on the tune and how you drive it. However, there is no denying that when you go FI you add additional stress to the motor. You cannot get anything for free. Don't fool yourself, you are trading reliability for more hp. The only question is how much reliability are you willing to sacrifice for more hp?

In my case, a shop that installed a vacuum line too close to the exhaust caused my waste gates to not control the boost and BOOM, there went a motor.

#2. How much it costs depends on how much of the work you can do yourself. As others have said, with all the questions you have a TT is something you should hold off on. A DIY turbo is also way out of the question.

When modifying costs can escalate quickly.
Say you go TT

Stage 1 TT: 7500
Tune : 500
Oil Cooler 34 row: 600
Clutch/Flywheel: Varies ... say 1-2k
CSC: 400
Radiator: 600
Exhaust & Test pipes: 1500-2000

You're at at around 12k before you even install a single part.
And that's not including labor to install all the parts if you can't do it yourself. Even if you do install everything yourself, there are a ton of small things you're not accounting for. A tool here a tool there, and all the fluids you will need. They all add up. A/C recharge, clutch, power steering, coolant, oil change. (And hope you installed everything right and none of those fluids leak and have to be replaced)

That's not including optional extras either. External gates, boost controller, brake upgrades (pads and lines at least), some stickier and wider tires would be useful too. Some gauges would also be a nice investment, boost and AFR throw in another few hundred for those.

A lot of the other stuff can be added after the fact. But then again adding stuff after the fact may add additional labor too. Either way, you're looking at like 9k up front if you have all the exhaust, and cooling mods on the car already.

To be honest, you should probably stay NA. Turbo cars can be fun, but they can also be finnicky. It's a love/hate relationship most people have with their turbo car.