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Sh0velMan 12-28-2012 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by eastwest2300 (Post 2081040)
Im leaning that way too, I've already started looking for replacements. I found a couple of them (used) on eBay. What do you guys think? good idea or bad getting them off eBay?

Personally I'd get them from the dealer only.

Just me, tho.

They're expensive as ****, too. Had to buy a couple due to a few 'issues' after the header install..grumble grumble..

eastwest2300 12-28-2012 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Sh0velMan (Post 2081037)
attached.

Thank you soo much man.

eastwest2300 12-28-2012 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Sh0velMan (Post 2081045)
Personally I'd get them from the dealer only.

Just me, tho.

They're expensive as ****, too. Had to buy a couple due to a few 'issues' after the header install..grumble grumble..

I found them new for $125 on eBay. They are pricey as sh!t.

eastwest2300 12-28-2012 08:39 AM

Shovelman, will I be able to see it from looking over the engine? do you think?

Sh0velMan 12-28-2012 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by eastwest2300 (Post 2081051)
Shovelman, will I be able to see it from looking over the engine? do you think?

Take off the brace, engine cover, and maybe intake tubes, and yeah you should be able to get to it from the top.

Edit: Oh and it'll be stuck on there pretty good. Invest in a high quality O2 socket and some anti-seize for the new one.

eastwest2300 12-28-2012 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Sh0velMan (Post 2081056)
Take off the brace, engine cover, and maybe intake tubes, and yeah you should be able to get to it from the top.

Edit: Oh and it'll be stuck on there pretty good. Invest in a high quality O2 socket and some anti-seize for the new one.

Roger that man, thank you soo much bro, done deal. I swear man, I owe you a beer.

MyKindaGuise 12-28-2012 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Sh0velMan (Post 2081033)
The demon bolt connects the cat to the Manifold.. Any vibration put into that bolt is going to rattle everything in the system, but especially the manifold itself. The O2 sensor we're talking about is like 1.5-2 inches tops from that bolt...

It's dead, Jim.

First time for everything I suppose. Ive never ever had that happen before...


EW...Here ya go
OEM VQ35HR / VQ37VHR Front Oxygen (O2) Sensor

cheapest youll find

Sh0velMan 12-28-2012 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by MyKindaGuise (Post 2081066)
First time for everything I suppose. Ive never ever had that happen before...


EW...Here ya go
OEM VQ35HR / VQ37VHR Front Oxygen (O2) Sensor

cheapest youll find

That is basically COST for that sensor. I got mine for $184 each and that WAS cost.

You won't find a better deal!

Sh0velMan 12-28-2012 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by eastwest2300 (Post 2081061)
Roger that man, thank you soo much bro, done deal. I swear man, I owe you a beer.

No worries, glad I could help.

Just don't ever use an impact on your exhaust without taking out those sensors first. And never touch the sensor to anything.

MyKindaGuise 12-28-2012 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Sh0velMan (Post 2081069)
That is basically COST for that sensor. I got mine for $184 each and that WAS cost.

You won't find a better deal!

Yep! Dealers charge $220.

post the ebay link if its oem and from a reputable seller id go the ebay route.

eastwest2300 12-28-2012 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Sh0velMan (Post 2081069)
That is basically COST for that sensor. I got mine for $184 each and that WAS cost.

You won't find a better deal!

fuuuuckin A.:wtf2::wtf2:

eastwest2300 12-28-2012 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Sh0velMan (Post 2081071)
No worries, glad I could help.

Just don't ever use an impact on your exhaust without taking out those sensors first. And never touch the sensor to anything.

Yeah, I think me and my installer learned a lesson..:icon17:

Sh0velMan 12-28-2012 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by eastwest2300 (Post 2081078)
Yeah, I think me and my installer learned a lesson..:icon17:

hehe yeah. Onboard wideband sensors are relatively new in the industry, the older sensors that are more commonly used aren't nearly as sensitive to vibration, debris etc.

Our cars hardly even seem to care if the downstream sensors work or not (they are narrowband). As far as my car knows, my cats are working just perfectly and they haven't been on the car in almost a year... lmao.

MyKindaGuise 12-28-2012 08:51 AM

If you know anyone at a dealer they get them for $150 and some change.

eastwest2300 12-28-2012 08:51 AM

Dude, you guys fricken RULE man, thank you sooooo much.

eastwest2300 12-28-2012 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by MyKindaGuise (Post 2081090)
If you know anyone at a dealer they get them for $150 and some change.

I could get with Jommer and see if he can hook me up.

FPenvy 12-28-2012 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by eastwest2300 (Post 2080487)
yeah man, as soon as we finished the install, turned on the car.. they came right on. I was told to stick some steel wool inside the j-bung of each cat. That unfortunately didnt clear any codes.. ughhh.

whoever installed it probably damaged the sensor

Sh0velMan 12-28-2012 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by MyKindaGuise (Post 2081090)
If you know anyone at a dealer they get them for $150 and some change.

Prices must have come down, thank God for that.

Oh snap, my bad, I paid $140 for mine @ cost, just looked up my records.

Still, Z1's price is great unless you have dahookup at a stealership.

eastwest2300 12-28-2012 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Sh0velMan (Post 2081103)
Prices must have come down, thank God for that.

Oh snap, my bad, I paid $140 for mine @ cost, just looked up my records.

Still, Z1's price is great unless you have dahookup at a stealership.

Dude, $140 is a nice price.

MyKindaGuise 12-28-2012 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by eastwest2300 (Post 2081097)
I could get with Jommer and see if he can hook me up.

Hes always been great with any of my sales. Highly recommended.

I guess thats why ive never had this happen to us. Weve worked on lots of different vehicles including multiple 370s and never had this happen. Im still sketchy on it being the actual cause but meh. EW let me know if you need any help you have my number.

eastwest2300 12-28-2012 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by MyKindaGuise (Post 2081107)
Hes always been great with any of my sales. Highly recommended.

I guess thats why ive never had this happen to us. Weve worked on lots of different vehicles including multiple 370s and never had this happen. Im still sketchy on it being the actual cause but meh. EW let me know if you need any help you have my number.

Im gonna look into it on Sunday.. just kinda get a feel for what Im doing, I'll probably make the purchase for those new sensors by monday. Hell I may even just buy the passenger side first and see if that eliminates the problem. I may only have to replace just one.

Sh0velMan 12-28-2012 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by eastwest2300 (Post 2081123)
Im gonna look into it on Sunday.. just kinda get a feel for what Im doing, I'll probably make the purchase for those new sensors by monday. Hell I may even just buy the passenger side first and see if that eliminates the problem. I may only have to replace just one.

If only one bank is throwing the code, might as well just place the one bank.

eastwest2300 12-28-2012 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Sh0velMan (Post 2081158)
If only one bank is throwing the code, might as well just place the one bank.

From looking at the OBD2 read out on the first page on this thread, do you think thats what it is?

wheee! 12-28-2012 09:27 AM

Eastwest, after doing a couple of these HFC installs myself, I can honestly say the demon bolt can be a b!tch to work on BUT, if you have a 24 " breaker bar and the proper extensions, you should be able to either break it free or break it off without the need for impacts! I also used the aluminum floor jack handle extension tube as a breaker bar extension once too.... made it like 4 feet long! Bolt snapped like butter.

Good luck swapping out the O2 sensors, I'm sure that will go easier. :tup:

MyKindaGuise 12-28-2012 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by wheee! (Post 2081166)
Eastwest, after doing a couple of these HFC installs myself, I can honestly say the demon bolt can be a b!tch to work on BUT, if you have a 24 " breaker bar and the proper extensions, you should be able to either break it free or break it off without the need for impacts! I also used the aluminum floor jack handle extension tube as a breaker bar extension once too.... made it like 4 feet long! Bolt snapped like butter.

Good luck swapping out the O2 sensors, I'm sure that will go easier. :tup:

Ha we did that too with our floor jack. :tup:

EW post pics of what happened to our socket wrench.

The head literally broke off. Thats why EW said we did everything imaginable lol

eastwest2300 12-28-2012 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by wheee! (Post 2081166)
Eastwest, after doing a couple of these HFC installs myself, I can honestly say the demon bolt can be a b!tch to work on BUT, if you have a 24 " breaker bar and the proper extensions, you should be able to either break it free or break it off without the need for impacts! I also used the aluminum floor jack handle extension tube as a breaker bar extension once too.... made it like 4 feet long! Bolt snapped like butter.

Good luck swapping out the O2 sensors, I'm sure that will go easier. :tup:

Thanks Mark. After 2 days of trying we finally got it.

eastwest2300 12-28-2012 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by MyKindaGuise (Post 2081169)
Ha we did that too with our floor jack. :tup:

EW post pics of what happened to our socket wrench.

The head literally broke off. Thats why EW said we did everything imaginable lol

we did bro.... hahhaa geeeez.:bowrofl::bowrofl:

MyKindaGuise 12-28-2012 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by eastwest2300 (Post 2081175)
we did bro.... hahhaa geeeez.:bowrofl::bowrofl:


Pretty sure this was the demon bolt that trains other bolts to be demon bolts. This was the demon bolt overlord.

Sh0velMan 12-28-2012 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by eastwest2300 (Post 2081165)
From looking at the OBD2 read out on the first page on this thread, do you think thats what it is?

Well it's throwing an O2 heater code, so yeah probably just the one bank.

That said... The data for the second code is a little confusing. The voltages off of the sensors seem to be in line with each other, but was this read with the engine running at idle or the engine off?

Data logs with Cipher or some other OBD2 logging tool while being driven or even idling would be more useful than one data frame to see if one bank is reporting wonky data.

eastwest2300 12-28-2012 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by MyKindaGuise (Post 2081179)
Pretty sure this was the demon bolt that trains other bolts to be demon bolts. This was the demon bolt overlord.

hahahhaaha...:bowrofl::bowrofl::bowrofl: EXACTLY. It was the ultimate nightmare.

eastwest2300 12-28-2012 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Sh0velMan (Post 2081181)
Well it's throwing an O2 heater code, so yeah probably just the one bank.

That said... The data for the second code is a little confusing. The voltages off of the sensors seem to be in line with each other, but was this read with the engine running at idle or the engine off?

Data logs with Cipher or some other OBD2 logging tool while being driven or even idling would be more useful than one data frame to see if one bank is reporting wonky data.

It was with the car running. I connected the reader then started the car. I had it connected for a good 15 minutes. Take in to consideration that the weather was cold, and the engine was cold, so naturally it'll idle high until the engine warms, the idle settles. To normal operating temperature.

eastwest2300 12-28-2012 09:44 AM

Brother, if you want me to run her with the reader connected, I'll do it, as soon as I get home from work.

Sh0velMan 12-28-2012 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by eastwest2300 (Post 2081194)
It was with the car running. I connected the reader then started the car. I had it connected for a good 15 minutes. Take in to consideration that the weather was cold, and the engine was cold, so naturally it'll idle high until the engine warms, the idle settles. To normal operating temperature.

According to the snapshot, coolant was at 89c (192f) so it was definitely warm when it snapped the data... :P

Sh0velMan 12-28-2012 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by eastwest2300 (Post 2081200)
Brother, if you want me to run her with the reader connected, I'll do it, as soon as I get home from work.

I don't know that it will help much, we would need logs, meaning a real-time string of logged parameters, usually in excel or CSV format.

I think you'd be good with just replacing that sensor, though. Seems pretty cut and dry.

eastwest2300 12-28-2012 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Sh0velMan (Post 2081203)
According to the snapshot, coolant was at 89c (192f) so it was definitely warm when it snapped the data... :P

yeah, I NEVER just jump in and drive her, I let it warm up everytime. I had the scanner on her for a good time. It was actually the first time I've ever used a OBD2 device. Literally I just bought it and used it for the first time. And I thought providing all the information from it, and putting it on here would help.

eastwest2300 12-28-2012 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Sh0velMan (Post 2081205)
I don't know that it will help much, we would need logs, meaning a real-time string of logged parameters, usually in excel or CSV format.

I think you'd be good with just replacing that sensor, though. Seems pretty cut and dry.

ok, thanks man. dude, I REALLY appreciate it!

Chemy 12-28-2012 02:10 PM

I know its a bit late now but I did my HFC's just a few weeks ago. Am I the only one on here who took off the intake boxes/pipe?? This made the demon bolt easy to get to with a long extension, just a straight to it. I had them both off in less than 5 min once the airbox was removed.

I had no CEL light.

eastwest2300 12-28-2012 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Chemy (Post 2081824)
I know its a bit late now but I did my HFC's just a few weeks ago. Am I the only one on here who took off the intake boxes/pipe?? This made the demon bolt easy to get to with a long extension, just a straight to it. I had them both off in less than 5 min once the airbox was removed.

I had no CEL light.

You're very lucky then, because even with the long extension we had, and the air boxes & tubes removed, the damn bolt wasnt budging an inch. One cat, we cut off. The other, we got lucky and the bolt snapped off. Thank the lord, because it was gonna be a loooong night.

Chemy 12-28-2012 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by eastwest2300 (Post 2082008)
You're very lucky then, because even with the long extension we had, and the air boxes & tubes removed, the damn bolt wasnt budging an inch. One cat, we cut off. The other, we got lucky and the bolt snapped off. Thank the lord, because it was gonna be a loooong night.

It took quit a bit of force and an extention for the handle but they did pop off. Does Nissan not believe in torque values? They seem to be on there as tight as possible :)

eastwest2300 12-28-2012 04:24 PM

It was a 2 day job, we tried cutting the head off the bolt, we tried burning it off, it just sucked... BIG time.


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