Fast Intentions exhaust is here!

DannyGT · 07-08-2009, 11:40 AM

I got a question...I see you eliminated those rubber bushings from the factory exhaust, where other companies choose to keep it. Do you happen to be getting some crazy vibration in the stick shift around 1800rpms? I thought thats why those bushings where their? to absorb vibrations...

wstar · 07-08-2009, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by DannyGT

I got a question...I see you eliminated those rubber bushings from the factory exhaust, where other companies choose to keep it. Do you happen to be getting some crazy vibration in the stick shift around 1800rpms? I thought thats why those bushings where their? to absorb vibrations...

Are you talking about the vibration dampers that are attached on the sides of the Y-pipes on the stock and the Stillen exhausts?

DannyGT · 07-08-2009, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by wstar

Are you talking about the vibration dampers that are attached on the sides of the Y-pipes on the stock and the Stillen exhausts?

Yup...I really have no clue how they work or if its entirely needed but I did notice vibrations without them on...I was just wondering

kannibul · 07-08-2009, 12:04 PM

Another question - was the video clip w/ stock cats?

I think it was mentioned it was with 12" reso's, but I've gone back and skimmed for info on if it was stock cats or not, and didn't catch anything...

F.I. Inc. · 07-08-2009, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DannyGT

I got a question...I see you eliminated those rubber bushings from the factory exhaust, where other companies choose to keep it. Do you happen to be getting some crazy vibration in the stick shift around 1800rpms? I thought thats why those bushings where their? to absorb vibrations...

None whatsoever!

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F.I. Inc. · 07-08-2009, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by kannibul

Another question - was the video clip w/ stock cats?

I think it was mentioned it was with 12" reso's, but I've gone back and skimmed for info on if it was stock cats or not, and didn't catch anything...

It had the stock cats it. The only mod. whatsoever was the TDX cat back exhaust.

wstar · 07-08-2009, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DannyGT

Yup...I really have no clue how they work or if its entirely needed but I did notice vibrations without them on...I was just wondering

I'm not really clear on them either, but my working assumption is that those dampers have more to do with modifying resonance in the exhaust system for sound purposes, rather than anything to do with felt mechanical vibration.

semtex · 07-08-2009, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by wstar

I'm not really clear on them either, but my working assumption is that those dampers have more to do with modifying resonance in the exhaust system for sound purposes, rather than anything to do with felt mechanical vibration.

Hmm...I should take mine off to see what it does, just for experimentation's sake.

drisko · 07-08-2009, 03:34 PM

I noticed that this exhaust system, like most the aftermarket ones (incl. Stillen), does not contain any flex pipes. What are the consequences of not having the flex pipes? Why would Nissan have put them on the stock exhaust?

It seems like all they do is prevent the whole exhaust from moving when the engine torques.

F.I. Inc. · 07-08-2009, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by drisko

I noticed that this exhaust system, like most the aftermarket ones (incl. Stillen), does not contain any flex pipes. What are the consequences of not having the flex pipes? Why would Nissan have put them on the stock exhaust?

It seems like all they do is prevent the whole exhaust from moving when the engine torques.

A very valid question!

The reason why most manufacturers use flex joints is to account for inconsistency in their production pieces. Ex: Nissan makes thousands of 370's in one year. The quality assurance on the exhaust system is probably fair at best and the flex joints allow for slight alignment variance.

We have never used flex joints in our production cat back exhaust systems for a number of reasons. Stainless Steel expands when it gets hot and flex joints will add to it like an accordion. They hinder performance by creating turbulence to the exhaust flow from the inside. They allow the system to sag as well.

We have prototyped all of our exhaust systems correctly from day 1 and do not have fitment issues. Our quality assurance is top notch and second to none. I stand behind that until the day I die! Now in some cases we use flex joints. On some of our turbocharged down pipe applications we use them. We judge each case based upon it's circumstances.

The exhaust system is bolted to the manifolds. Then it is hung in rubber. The rubber is to allow movement as to when the engine torques. See the engine is sitting in rubber motor mounts so when it torques everything bolted to it Will want to move with it. If we solid mounted an exhaust to the frame it would break when the engine torqued.

Here is some food for thought,

This is not our first car. We have over 10 high end cars that we currently have a production exhaust system for. Not one uses flex joints in the cat back. Cracking is not an issue that is common with our products especially our cat back's.

If anyone is deeply concerned about the lack of flex joints and feels they want them, We have a mandrel bender in house, we are they designers and producers of all of our products so we can fulfill any request. If you want the flex joints I will install them at an extra fee to make you feel more comfortable. I am not being sarcastic I am being serious! But, in my honest opinion they are not needed.

I will say once again, it is a valid question...

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wstar · 07-08-2009, 04:19 PM

As long as you're being so open about technical stuff re: exhaust: I assumed part of the reason for the flex joints had to do with reducing resonance from engine vibrations in the back half of the exhaust. This isn't really the case?

semtex · 07-08-2009, 04:47 PM

I always assumed it was for ease of fitment.

LiquidZ · 07-08-2009, 04:49 PM

I thought it was for allowing bending in the exhaust under engine load.

F.I. Inc. · 07-08-2009, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by LiquidZ

I thought it was for allowing bending in the exhaust under engine load.

It is to an extent.

Cars that have very weak motor mounts have an excessive amount of engine travel when it moves. Ex: a place where they would be needed would be on a car with sloppy motor mounts and very stiff rubber hangers. This will allow the front part of the exhaust to travel easier with the engine when it torques.

Now, this particular car has strong motor mounts and the engine travels very little when it torques. That in combination with the rubber hangers underneath that are not on the stiff side allow the exhaust to travel with the engine. If it was an issue for us believe me, I would put flex joints in. But, you don't see our X Pipes cracking or welds at flanges breaking. Reason being, the exhaust has plenty of travel on these cars to allow it move.

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semtex A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Behind enemy lines Age: 54 Posts: 5,995 Drives: People to drink Rep Power: 32	I always assumed it was for ease of fitment. __________________ "There are no small accidents on this circuit." -- Ayrton Senna 316.8whp & 248 ft/lbs (Dyno Dynamics) \| 319whp & 256 ft/lbs (DynoJet) (04/23/10) Stillen G3 CAI, CBE, Pulley / F.I. LTH / GTSpec Ladder Brace / Setrab Oil Cooler / UpRev-tuned by Forged Perf.

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LiquidZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 1,940 Drives: Mag. Black 2009 370Z Rep Power: 705	I thought it was for allowing bending in the exhaust under engine load. __________________

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kannibul A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Jenks, OK Posts: 2,281 Drives: 370z Touring/Sport Rep Power: 267	Another question - was the video clip w/ stock cats? I think it was mentioned it was with 12" reso's, but I've gone back and skimmed for info on if it was stock cats or not, and didn't catch anything...

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drisko Base Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: So Cal Age: 43 Posts: 160 Drives: 09 370Z PW Tour S 6M Rep Power: 16	I noticed that this exhaust system, like most the aftermarket ones (incl. Stillen), does not contain any flex pipes. What are the consequences of not having the flex pipes? Why would Nissan have put them on the stock exhaust? It seems like all they do is prevent the whole exhaust from moving when the engine torques.

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