heat wrapping intakes?

edub370 · 10-02-2012, 12:20 PM

so i know we can all tell after we've been driving the z for a while. it gets hot under the hood, our cars pull timing, and sh!t gets sluggish. so why has nobody tried throwing some header wrap on their long tubes to prevent that metal from getting hot? idk if anyone has ever tried grabbing their long tube intakes after driving a while, but they are hot as hell. at least my injen is.

so what would prevent someone from throwing some header wrap on the intake piping to keep the hot air out and cold air in. or is header wrap unidirectional? i.e. header wrap is designed to keep the headers heat in, whereas we want to keep heat out? would it be worth looking in to....?

another random idea...

1st · 10-02-2012, 12:57 PM

I actually have seen this done on other cars. I’m pretty sure somebody has done this to their Z.

leighspped · 10-02-2012, 01:11 PM

My understanding is the main reason is to prevent corrosion, water can stay underneath the wrap which will start the pipe to corrode.....

im not sure at all tho..... i have this debate with myself regularly on my Z and my 11" sti stage 2 with dump tub plumbed back it...

in the end im mostly likely going to take my pipes Z, swaintech coated and wrapped when boosted and get the sti just coated. Most likely it's just a Band-Aid, not really fixing the real problem of the heat in our engine bays.

Motion Lab · 10-02-2012, 02:24 PM

Its the wrong type of heat control for the application. The header wrap is meant to retain heat in the manifolds. You do not want to keep heat in your intake system. Most companies have come to the market with reflective tape that helps prevent the piping from getting heat soaked from the engine bay temperatures. You can see some reflective heat tape HERE. This would be the right stuff to wrap an intake with!

Thanks,
Alex Goodwin
AlexG@motionlabtuning.com

jcosta79 · 10-02-2012, 02:32 PM

Heat wrap (or insulating wrap) is what you use on the exhaust to keep heat IN. You would want exactly the opposite on the intake side, which is to keep heat OUT.

For that you would use heat shielding, typically gold foil. See the picture below.

edub370 · 10-02-2012, 02:46 PM

thanks for the responses. thats what i was kinda wondering. man if only that reflective stuff wasnt so ugly lol.

any intake temp charts available that shows the delta between using this stuff and not

icormba · 10-02-2012, 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Motion Lab

Its the wrong type of heat control for the application. The header wrap is meant to retain heat in the manifolds. You do not want to keep heat in your intake system. Most companies have come to the market with reflective tape that helps prevent the piping from getting heat soaked from the engine bay temperatures. You can see some reflective heat tape HERE. This would be the right stuff to wrap an intake with!

Thanks,
Alex Goodwin
AlexG@motionlabtuning.com

I used this wrap on our Jeep and it worked rather well. I used the non-tape type as I didn't want the tube all sticky if I decided to remove it, I attached it using reflective tape.

edub370 · 10-02-2012, 02:52 PM

anyone have the torque app for their andriod that can display air inlet temps (maybe i can use my laptop and uprev?) to see if this would have any real world benefit

SouthArk370Z · 10-02-2012, 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by edub370

... or is header wrap unidirectional? i.e. header wrap is designed to keep the headers heat in, whereas we want to keep heat out? ...

Thermal insulation is "omnidirectional." It impedes the transfer of heat in all directions.

I'm no expert, but it seems to me that a combination of reflective (reject as much as possible) and insulation (slow down any energy not reflected) would work best.

Motion Lab · 10-02-2012, 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by icormba

I used this wrap on our Jeep and it worked rather well. I used the non-tape type as I didn't want the tube all sticky if I decided to remove it, I attached it using reflective tape.

Looks great! Heatshield Products is definitely offers some of the highest quality heat control products on the market. I sell their products to industrial manufacturing companies that use specific products to help protect wiring etc. around their robotic TIG welders.

Thanks
Alex Goodwin
AlexG@motionlabtuning.com

SouthArk370Z · 10-02-2012, 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by edub370

anyone have the torque app for their andriod that can display air inlet temps (maybe i can use my laptop and uprev?) to see if this would have any real world benefit

I'm not familiar with the UpRev software, but Inlet Air Temp (IAT) is part of the standard data that most cars have available. If IAT display is not a standard option in UpRev, let me know and I can provide the PID and scaling for manual configuration (assuming UpRev allows such).

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Mode: 01
PID: 0F
Data: 1 hex byte
Data Range: 0-255 (dec)
Data Units: degrees C
Scaling: data - 40

edub370 · 10-02-2012, 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SouthArk370Z

I'm not familiar with the UpRev software, but Inlet Air Temp (IAT) is part of the standard data that most cars have available. If IAT display is not a standard option in UpRev, let me know and I can provide the PID and scaling for manual configuration (assuming UpRev allows such).

Not sure what all this means. i'm more confused than a chameleon in a bag of skittles.

jcosta79 · 10-02-2012, 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by edub370

man if only that reflective stuff wasnt so ugly lol.

Wait until you find out how much it costs.

DR_ · 10-02-2012, 07:59 PM

I watch the IAT on my Dashhawk all the time. If you are moving and at WOT the temps with the Stillen G3 are pretty close to ambient. Even after a cool down lap on partial throttle at a track last weekend I still saw close to ambient.

Boost_lee · 10-02-2012, 08:17 PM

I have dei reflect a gold wrap on my stillen intakes. I can't comment on the performance gain if any, I figured it certainly wouldn't hurt

10-02-2012, 12:20 PM	#1 (permalink)
edub370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2011 Location: KCMO Posts: 3,458 Drives: 09 370z S/T 6MT Rep Power: 20	heat wrapping intakes? so i know we can all tell after we've been driving the z for a while. it gets hot under the hood, our cars pull timing, and sh!t gets sluggish. so why has nobody tried throwing some header wrap on their long tubes to prevent that metal from getting hot? idk if anyone has ever tried grabbing their long tube intakes after driving a while, but they are hot as hell. at least my injen is. so what would prevent someone from throwing some header wrap on the intake piping to keep the hot air out and cold air in. or is header wrap unidirectional? i.e. header wrap is designed to keep the headers heat in, whereas we want to keep heat out? would it be worth looking in to....? another random idea... __________________ 09 370Z ST 6MT//Injen CAI//Greddy CBE//TP//TSW's//Swifts//Stillen lip//Whiteline sways 326whp/268tq

10-02-2012, 01:11 PM	#3 (permalink)
leighspped Enthusiast Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Morristown Posts: 444 Drives: US Rep Power: 14	My understanding is the main reason is to prevent corrosion, water can stay underneath the wrap which will start the pipe to corrode..... im not sure at all tho..... i have this debate with myself regularly on my Z and my 11" sti stage 2 with dump tub plumbed back it... in the end im mostly likely going to take my pipes Z, swaintech coated and wrapped when boosted and get the sti just coated. Most likely it's just a Band-Aid, not really fixing the real problem of the heat in our engine bays. __________________ Performance: Fast Intentions LTH + CBX + Injen CAI + UpRev + KW3 + Whiteline sway bars + short throw shifter + 34r oil cooler = 335whp + (OS Giken Clutch and Diff) Interior : Recaro seat + Alpine HU and Rockford Fosgate Amp and Speakers + Passport 9500ci + JDM shift knob + LED's Forged avant garde m310's 19x9 19x12 RE-11

10-02-2012, 02:24 PM	#4 (permalink)
Motion Lab A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 2,676 Drives: Nissan 370Z Rep Power: 18	Its the wrong type of heat control for the application. The header wrap is meant to retain heat in the manifolds. You do not want to keep heat in your intake system. Most companies have come to the market with reflective tape that helps prevent the piping from getting heat soaked from the engine bay temperatures. You can see some reflective heat tape HERE. This would be the right stuff to wrap an intake with! Thanks, Alex Goodwin AlexG@motionlabtuning.com icormba likes this.

10-02-2012, 02:32 PM	#5 (permalink)
jcosta79 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: N/A Posts: 1,430 Drives: N/A Rep Power: 15	Heat wrap (or insulating wrap) is what you use on the exhaust to keep heat IN. You would want exactly the opposite on the intake side, which is to keep heat OUT. For that you would use heat shielding, typically gold foil. See the picture below. __________________ 2012 PW NISMO #0559 - GT Spec Brace Kit - Swift Springs - ARK TP & Invidia CBE K&N Intake - UpRev Tune - 15mm Z1 Spacers & Studs - StopTech Slotted Rotors & SS Lines - ZSpeed CMAK with Stage 2 Clutch and Lightweight Flywheel

10-02-2012, 02:46 PM	#6 (permalink)
edub370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2011 Location: KCMO Posts: 3,458 Drives: 09 370z S/T 6MT Rep Power: 20	thanks for the responses. thats what i was kinda wondering. man if only that reflective stuff wasnt so ugly lol. any intake temp charts available that shows the delta between using this stuff and not __________________ 09 370Z ST 6MT//Injen CAI//Greddy CBE//TP//TSW's//Swifts//Stillen lip//Whiteline sways 326whp/268tq

10-02-2012, 12:57 PM	#2 (permalink)
1st A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: I 80 Biz U.S. 50 Posts: 1,709 Drives: Platinum Z Rep Power: 1616	I actually have seen this done on other cars. I’m pretty sure somebody has done this to their Z.

10-02-2012, 02:52 PM	#8 (permalink)
edub370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2011 Location: KCMO Posts: 3,458 Drives: 09 370z S/T 6MT Rep Power: 20	anyone have the torque app for their andriod that can display air inlet temps (maybe i can use my laptop and uprev?) to see if this would have any real world benefit __________________ 09 370Z ST 6MT//Injen CAI//Greddy CBE//TP//TSW's//Swifts//Stillen lip//Whiteline sways 326whp/268tq

10-02-2012, 07:59 PM	#14 (permalink)
DR_ Track Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Dallas Posts: 981 Drives: Touring/Sport M6 PG Rep Power: 17	I watch the IAT on my Dashhawk all the time. If you are moving and at WOT the temps with the Stillen G3 are pretty close to ambient. Even after a cool down lap on partial throttle at a track last weekend I still saw close to ambient.

10-02-2012, 08:17 PM	#15 (permalink)
Boost_lee A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: SATX Posts: 2,813 Drives: 09 370Z TT 6MT Rep Power: 29	I have dei reflect a gold wrap on my stillen intakes. I can't comment on the performance gain if any, I figured it certainly wouldn't hurt __________________ My TT Z

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