Akuma Motorports 370z Intake

MyZ4U2C · 07-13-2012, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Alchemy

For the same price why wouldnt you go with the one that makes more power even if it is only 2 or 3 hp. Most people have the Stillens because they have PROVED that they are the best on the market.

SS_Firehawk · 07-13-2012, 12:13 PM

Stillens cost $50 more brand new. I obviously bought AEM's and found them for $379 shipped brand new. This isn't the deal of the century, but its not bad either. I personally dislike intake systems that reduce in size at the MaF sensor. its only effective at preventing a tune. If we are running exhaust and TP/ HFC/ headers with a CAI, it will need tuned anyways. More power will be produced with a straight through system vs one that necks down when tuning is considered. I'm glad Akuma didn't compromise and included a tune to help with the MAF issue. if your really chasing the mystical 2-3whp, you probably have more than just a CAI, and you most likely have a tune or its on your list.

'10Anamoly · 07-13-2012, 12:21 PM

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if your really chasing the mystical 2-3whp, you probably have more than just a CAI, and you most likely have a tune or its on your list.

Wrong side of the bed today and yesterday? All we are looking for a comparison to the highest power intake out there (Stillens) so we have a reason to buy another set. By your logic, if the 2-3 mystical horsepower doesnt matter, then everyone who has intakes is now off of Akuma's market unless a one-piece design (Nismo, AEM, etc) is desired. I assume they would still want people with intakes to be candidate customers though so the comparison would likely benefit sales. That mystical 2-3hp (which is just your guess anyways) being useless would also negate the reasoning for them making an intake and a corresponding fuel adjustment tune, since it apparently is not worthwhile to go for. I disagree with your logic all around actually. Some people have the funds to buy better parts but we want proof first. Other non-intake owners want to know what the best intake is before the buy, yet another reason to have the comparison.

Aside from horsepower, what I am actually curious about is how the power band changes, not the top end 2-3 hp you speak of. For us bench racers, power under the curve is the most important. Given that we know porting the throttle bodies out added more power (5-6hp at the wheels) I am curious to see how much more flow this engine wants.

Have some coffee, life is good, relax.

370Z Purist · 07-13-2012, 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by '10Anamoly

Wrong side of the bed today and yesterday? All we are looking for a comparison to the highest power intake out there (Stillens) so we have a reason to buy another set. By your logic, if the 2-3 mystical horsepower doesnt matter, then everyone who has intakes is now off of Akuma's market unless a one-piece design (Nismo, AEM, etc) is desired. I assume they would still want people with intakes to be candidate customers though so the comparison would likely benefit sales. That mystical 2-3hp (which is just your guess anyways) being useless would also negate the reasoning for them making an intake and a corresponding fuel adjustment tune, since it apparently is not worthwhile to go for. I disagree with your logic all around actually. Some people have the funds to buy better parts but we want proof first. Other non-intake owners want to know what the best intake is before the buy, yet another reason to have the comparison.

Aside from horsepower, what I am actually curious about is how the power band changes, not the top end 2-3 hp you speak of. For us bench racers, power under the curve is the most important. Given that we know porting the throttle bodies out added more power (5-6hp at the wheels) I am curious to see how much more flow this engine wants.

Have some coffee, life is good, relax.

Indeed, I imagine the lack of a neckdown will open up lower end torques.

'10Anamoly · 07-13-2012, 02:04 PM

I'm kind of hoping that there is another 10-15rwhp locked up in the throttle bodies and these new intakes. I wouldnt mind have closer to 330whp SAE with a retune. Would be worth spending a few bucks for sure.

SS_Firehawk · 07-13-2012, 03:13 PM

I apologize for coming off as brash. I do agree that power under the curve is important. The trend with intakes though is that all the gains are over 6500 rpm. I also understand people wanting to see more results. What I disagree with is people giving Akuma a hard time because they didn't do a direct comparison with a competitor. I understand the excitement and interest with new intakes, I think we just need to see other members post their results to get a better idea of what kind of performance they bring.

W.O.W. 370Z · 07-13-2012, 03:21 PM

I think TT or SC would settle all your HP woes.

I still say Akuma is doing 100 times better as a vendor than most.

Kevin@AkumaMS · 07-13-2012, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by W.O.W. 370Z

I think TT or SC would settle all your HP woes.

I still say Akuma is doing 100 times better as a vendor than most.

Thanks! we are actually trying to guage interest in doing a custom TT or STS on the 370z tough part is finding someone interested in leaving there car with us to do the fab work on and such

Ni55anPat · 07-13-2012, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevin@AkumaMS

Thanks! we are actually trying to guage interest in doing a custom TT or STS on the 370z tough part is finding someone interested in leaving there car with us to do the fab work on and such

ME

SS_Firehawk · 07-13-2012, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevin@AkumaMS

Thanks! we are actually trying to guage interest in doing a custom TT or STS on the 370z tough part is finding someone interested in leaving there car with us to do the fab work on and such

I'll be leaving for Afghanistan for a year on contract, but I live in Vegas

slynx · 07-15-2012, 03:07 AM

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Originally Posted by AkumaMS

I think we will actually offer the intakes with an Up Rev bundle at a very discounted price. I am thinking STG 1 and STG 2 options. The only key is you need a way to tune the car...Up Rev or Cobb. I know this may alienate some buyers, but it will be the best design for power.

Are you guys still going offer this "bundle" option? I'm interested in a bundling option with an osiris tuner license.

I'm not sure if this has been addressed, but were the dyno pulls with the akuma intakes done with the front bumper on or off? Another thread showed that the gen 3's results varied depending on whether or not the bumper was on or off in order to simulate more "real world" scenarios.

'10Anamoly · 07-15-2012, 10:11 AM

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I apologize for coming off as brash. I do agree that power under the curve is important. The trend with intakes though is that all the gains are over 6500 rpm. I also understand people wanting to see more results. What I disagree with is people giving Akuma a hard time because they didn't do a direct comparison with a competitor.

No worries dude, its all good. I dont think we mean to give them a hard time, just want to see the good news their intakes bring vs the Stillens. I am rooting for them!

AkumaMS · 07-15-2012, 11:33 AM

Thanks for the interest guys. Let me clarify a few things. The group buy will be up for a while no worries. The Akuma Intake is a 2.75" 6061 Aluminum design. The initial install requires the bumper to be removed and the filters placed in the bumper area. Once it is installed, the body of the intake can be removed as one piece. The intakes have a symmetry by design, for performance and aesthetics. We are going with K/N filters at this time. If we can find a suitable replacement, I will entertain that option. The K/N filter media is very effective and the filters do not leave oil residue in the intake after 1000miles.

So why Akuma over the competition? The basic answer would be design(open radius bends, larger diameter piping, MAF placement), materials and customer service. We use USA made Aluminum and K/N filters. The engine bay couplers are Nomex, which is a better material than the silicone counterpart(higher heat tolerance, and a bit stiffer which aids in support). We will also offer a base calibration for Up Rev or Cobb(should there be any) users. Finally, we are easily accessible. If you have a question, you can speak with the designer or a technician that has helped on the design. So you know you will get any help you need.

The MAF is placed in the straightest section of airflow, therefore tunes very easily. The Z is nice in that you do not have to mod the MAF table, as I believe there should be 2 banks as the GTR has, but the tuning software provides for one table. However, this may be a function of the UpRev Tuning suite and be 100% correct(one table). You only have to modify one value in the tuning software, that provides a global effect to the fuel trims. You then modify the fuel target table to a desired fuel curve. The Fuel comp table(on the cars we have tested) does not need to be modified.

We have been a little slow on the release, and that is 100% my fault. I wanted to get 1000miles on the first set and take them off and see if there was any areas of concern...excessive wear, etc. I will have those off on Tuesday(possibly Monday if my wife lets me go into the shop...lol).
The next few sets will be finished up and shipped out. I want to try and get the first few sets to guys here and if they have access to a dyno that is really helpful. The other delay was the MAF sensor flanges. We got a few sets of the wrong size, so I needed to have that corrected before final welding. All of this will be sorted out and kits shipping this upcoming week.

I wanted to thank the community for the continued support. This truly helps us design a better product and keeps us in touch with the pulse of the community.

Regards,

John

Since Stillen is the industry standard(they have a good product) it makes sense to use it as a benchmark test... If someone has access to a dyno and has the Stillen G3, but does not want to buy a set, I can potentially send a test set out for 3rd party comparison, but they must be sent back after testing(assuming they do not want to buy them). We could go over the details off the thread...give the shop a call Tuesday or send me a PM during the week.

'10Anamoly · 07-15-2012, 11:59 AM

Dynos cost money as does the time to adjust the tune, how are you going to cover that cost for someone who has them both dyno'd back to back plus install time and tune time?

AkumaMS · 07-15-2012, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by '10Anamoly

Dynos cost money as does the time to adjust the tune, how are you going to cover that cost for someone who has them both dyno'd back to back plus install time and tune time?

Aaaahh, yes. I reread how I wrote the offer. What we would do is give the intakes to the person doing the comparo at a very heavily discounted rate to offset the cost of the dyno runs and time invested. The intake install can be done by the end user, so there should be no shop cost to offset. If they chose not to keep the intakes, we could work together on a solution with the shop the dyno pulls would be done at to cover costs etc..

Hope that helps a bit.

Cheers,

John

07-13-2012, 12:13 PM	#122 (permalink)
SS_Firehawk Premium Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Tampa Posts: 4,142 Drives: 13' Magma Red Nismo Rep Power: 7335	Stillens cost $50 more brand new. I obviously bought AEM's and found them for $379 shipped brand new. This isn't the deal of the century, but its not bad either. I personally dislike intake systems that reduce in size at the MaF sensor. its only effective at preventing a tune. If we are running exhaust and TP/ HFC/ headers with a CAI, it will need tuned anyways. More power will be produced with a straight through system vs one that necks down when tuning is considered. I'm glad Akuma didn't compromise and included a tune to help with the MAF issue. if your really chasing the mystical 2-3whp, you probably have more than just a CAI, and you most likely have a tune or its on your list. __________________ Old Car:GTM TSC'd 550whp / 410lbft tq @ 11.88PSI New Car: Under Construction Last edited by SS_Firehawk; 07-13-2012 at 12:15 PM.

07-13-2012, 02:04 PM	#125 (permalink)
'10Anamoly Track Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: GA Posts: 882 Drives: 2010 370Z BS M6 Rep Power: 16	I'm kind of hoping that there is another 10-15rwhp locked up in the throttle bodies and these new intakes. I wouldnt mind have closer to 330whp SAE with a retune. Would be worth spending a few bucks for sure. __________________ 2013 Ford Mustang GT 374rwhp, 360rwtq SAE / GT500 Axle-Backs / Brembo Pack / Track Pack / Recaros / 6spd

07-13-2012, 03:13 PM	#126 (permalink)
SS_Firehawk Premium Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Tampa Posts: 4,142 Drives: 13' Magma Red Nismo Rep Power: 7335	I apologize for coming off as brash. I do agree that power under the curve is important. The trend with intakes though is that all the gains are over 6500 rpm. I also understand people wanting to see more results. What I disagree with is people giving Akuma a hard time because they didn't do a direct comparison with a competitor. I understand the excitement and interest with new intakes, I think we just need to see other members post their results to get a better idea of what kind of performance they bring. __________________ Old Car:GTM TSC'd 550whp / 410lbft tq @ 11.88PSI New Car: Under Construction

07-15-2012, 11:33 AM	#133 (permalink)
AkumaMS Base Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: NY/NJ Posts: 99 Drives: EVOX Rep Power: 13	Thanks for the interest guys. Let me clarify a few things. The group buy will be up for a while no worries. The Akuma Intake is a 2.75" 6061 Aluminum design. The initial install requires the bumper to be removed and the filters placed in the bumper area. Once it is installed, the body of the intake can be removed as one piece. The intakes have a symmetry by design, for performance and aesthetics. We are going with K/N filters at this time. If we can find a suitable replacement, I will entertain that option. The K/N filter media is very effective and the filters do not leave oil residue in the intake after 1000miles. So why Akuma over the competition? The basic answer would be design(open radius bends, larger diameter piping, MAF placement), materials and customer service. We use USA made Aluminum and K/N filters. The engine bay couplers are Nomex, which is a better material than the silicone counterpart(higher heat tolerance, and a bit stiffer which aids in support). We will also offer a base calibration for Up Rev or Cobb(should there be any) users. Finally, we are easily accessible. If you have a question, you can speak with the designer or a technician that has helped on the design. So you know you will get any help you need. The MAF is placed in the straightest section of airflow, therefore tunes very easily. The Z is nice in that you do not have to mod the MAF table, as I believe there should be 2 banks as the GTR has, but the tuning software provides for one table. However, this may be a function of the UpRev Tuning suite and be 100% correct(one table). You only have to modify one value in the tuning software, that provides a global effect to the fuel trims. You then modify the fuel target table to a desired fuel curve. The Fuel comp table(on the cars we have tested) does not need to be modified. We have been a little slow on the release, and that is 100% my fault. I wanted to get 1000miles on the first set and take them off and see if there was any areas of concern...excessive wear, etc. I will have those off on Tuesday(possibly Monday if my wife lets me go into the shop...lol). The next few sets will be finished up and shipped out. I want to try and get the first few sets to guys here and if they have access to a dyno that is really helpful. The other delay was the MAF sensor flanges. We got a few sets of the wrong size, so I needed to have that corrected before final welding. All of this will be sorted out and kits shipping this upcoming week. I wanted to thank the community for the continued support. This truly helps us design a better product and keeps us in touch with the pulse of the community. Regards, John Since Stillen is the industry standard(they have a good product) it makes sense to use it as a benchmark test... If someone has access to a dyno and has the Stillen G3, but does not want to buy a set, I can potentially send a test set out for 3rd party comparison, but they must be sent back after testing(assuming they do not want to buy them). We could go over the details off the thread...give the shop a call Tuesday or send me a PM during the week. __________________ John Shafer Owner/Calibrator Akuma Motorsports LLC http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...ncVpndgs-nSyng

07-15-2012, 11:59 AM	#134 (permalink)
'10Anamoly Track Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: GA Posts: 882 Drives: 2010 370Z BS M6 Rep Power: 16	Dynos cost money as does the time to adjust the tune, how are you going to cover that cost for someone who has them both dyno'd back to back plus install time and tune time? __________________ 2013 Ford Mustang GT 374rwhp, 360rwtq SAE / GT500 Axle-Backs / Brembo Pack / Track Pack / Recaros / 6spd

07-13-2012, 03:21 PM	#127 (permalink)
W.O.W. 370Z A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Miami Posts: 1,757 Drives: 2010 Touring Sport Z Rep Power: 19	I think TT or SC would settle all your HP woes. I still say Akuma is doing 100 times better as a vendor than most.

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