ART PIPES VS LTH (F.I or PPE)

Originally Posted by Methodical4u

I don't know that the headers are worth that much money for the extra hp you gain with a CBE already installed... i've never seen the numbers anyway. That said, I don't know how much hp you gain with ART pipes installed with a CBE either. I'm getting the ART pipes in a few days and installing them as my first mod. I may later get some stillen headers so I can still change out to the cats when emissions time comes around in 2 years.

Originally Posted by theDreamer

Short headers by themselves do not provide much of a documented gain, combined with other upgrades are worth it. Yet then you are at the point of just going LTH which show large gains, but of course emissions is a concern.

Originally Posted by Methodical4u

I heard that stillen's didn't have a very large gain... naturally the LT's are going to have more because they are a header and TP all in one basically... if Stillen's with a set of ART pipes on a stock set-up were tested, you might the comparable gains.

Originally Posted by theDreamer

Re-read what I said.
Also, LTH v. other options have been done and the LTH still have larger gains.

Originally Posted by Methodical4u

I did read what you said.... I SAID that ART PIPES with Stillens... I didn't say just other set-ups... ART pipes are PROVEN to put out higher gains than your standard test pipes or HFC's.... so unless this specific set-up has been done under the same conditions then it's speculation... thank you.

Originally Posted by theDreamer

Speculation is what makes it all go around. ART pipes I am sure show better gains on some setups and less on others. It is like I have seen other products do the same thing, every car, dyno, day is different and you must take each result posted at that value for that setup.