Stillen catback in Ti?

imag · 04-29-2009, 10:02 PM

Josh or Kyle - Any chance of you guys doing a Ti pipe?

The way I see (and hear) it, Stillen has the best-sounding pipe with pretty much the best performance gains. The only thing is - based on the subwoofer plan I have - I'd love to lose some weight.

I assume I'm not the only one who loves the Stillen catback but would be willing to pay for the weight reduction of Ti (as long as it's $3k or less). I realize the tone would change some with titanium, but hopefully it would be close.

Am I dreaming here? Probably.

SoCal 370Z · 04-29-2009, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by imag

Am I dreaming here? Probably.

Why don't you simply consider an Amuse exhaust system?

RCZ · 04-29-2009, 10:06 PM

you have a subwoofer plan that is heavy and you care about losing weight?

imag · 04-29-2009, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by SoCal 370Z

Why don't you simply consider an Amuse exhaust system?

Sorry - the sound on the Amuse just isn't working for me. I wish it did...

RCZ - yes: the goal for this car is to be both a track car and daily driver, and while the audio system isn't going to be ballistic, I would like to have a decent sub. I would feel better about that sub if it was weight neutral, and I'm already planning on bailing the spare for a can of fix-a-flat. Everyone's got their compromise on weight reduction - if you still have a dash, glass windows, and a headliner anyway - and a sub is one of those things that is important to me.

I was actually surprised that you went with a SS exhaust on your car. Ti exhaust systems are certainly not a cheap way to lose weight, but they are pretty compromise-free otherwise...

imag · 04-29-2009, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by SoCal 370Z

Why don't you simply consider an Amuse exhaust system?

I should say, I'm also waiting to hear some more videos of what the STTI system sounds like in motion...

coldblooded · 04-30-2009, 01:35 AM

i think i saw a picture of the MINE'S titanium exhaust.

Here's another option, get light weight wheels.

imag · 04-30-2009, 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by coldblooded

i think i saw a picture of the MINE'S titanium exhaust.

Here's another option, get light weight wheels.

I was going to do that later, but it's a fair point. When paying almost $2K to drop 20 lbs., it makes way more sense to put it toward wheels, which offer improvements in overall, unsprung, and rotational mass...

The really cheap weight loss is the battery - the irony of the subwoofer is that it kind of take that option off the table as well...

wstar · 04-30-2009, 03:02 AM

To each his own, but I just don't find even the stock sub worth it in this car. Don't get me wrong, I love music, and I like to listen to some while I drive. But if I want a top-end audio experience, I've got that at home

I pulled my stock sub out and replaced it with nothing, and turned up the bass a little bit on the audio settings of the head unit. Sounds fine for driving music, even if it lacks a little bit of bass punch. It's not like a car with as much road noise as the Z is ever going to be a rolling concert stage anyways (at least not without adding a lot of weight and going against the nature of the car, imho).

imag · 04-30-2009, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by wstar

To each his own, but I just don't find even the stock sub worth it in this car. Don't get me wrong, I love music, and I like to listen to some while I drive. But if I want a top-end audio experience, I've got that at home

I pulled my stock sub out and replaced it with nothing, and turned up the bass a little bit on the audio settings of the head unit. Sounds fine for driving music, even if it lacks a little bit of bass punch. It's not like a car with as much road noise as the Z is ever going to be a rolling concert stage anyways (at least not without adding a lot of weight and going against the nature of the car, imho).

I hate to say it, but the nature of this car is overweight (I almost said "fat pig", but that title belongs to the Camaro), 3300 lbs. is too much for a proper sports car - and it stems from the fact that under the Z has a sedan platform at heart.

I'm not trying to rip on the Z, but I am pointing out that the uber-weight-conscious wouldn't buy this car in the first place (it took some getting over for me). It's 200 lbs. more than a 'vette, 500 more than a S2000, and over 1200 more than an Elise. Considering the fact that this is basically a GT car, I don't think it's unreasonable to want decent sound, especially when, by the time I ditch the spare, my guess is that the sub is only about a 20 lb bump - if you've got the touring pack, your starting point was 50 lbs. over mine in the first place.

Sorry if I come across as grumpy, but I'm not even sure why I'm getting a hard time. Yes, I want to add some weight, but I'm trying to balance it out with weight savings on the other end. Realistically, its basically all psychological - I don't have a lap timer, and the car is no doubt faster on the track than I am at this point (which I can at least admit). But after all, isn't this whole board about what people want, for no real reason? I don't see God collecting lap times to find your spot in heaven/hell.

Final point - if I have bass in the car, I will get laid more. My wife loves bass. Even if I didn't, that would be reason enough for me...

alan93rsa · 04-30-2009, 12:11 PM

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Final point - if I have bass in the car, I will get laid more. My wife loves bass. Even if I didn't, that would be reason enough for me...

Simple solution: Take out the passenger seat and sub, nice weight savings. Strap the sub to the passenger seat. When you go out for a ride have the wife sit in the seat with the attached sub wile it is in the garage. Since none of this is now in the car it's a big weight savings. Just find the appropriate music to play until you return.

Home run!

wstar · 04-30-2009, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by imag

I hate to say it, but the nature of this car is overweight (I almost said "fat pig", but that title belongs to the Camaro), 3300 lbs. is too much for a proper sports car - and it stems from the fact that under the Z has a sedan platform at heart.

I've driven fat pig cars before (the cousin of the aforementioned Camaro). The Z is plenty nimble even stock, imho.

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I'm not trying to rip on the Z, but I am pointing out that the uber-weight-conscious wouldn't buy this car in the first place (it took some getting over for me). It's 200 lbs. more than a 'vette, 500 more than a S2000, and over 1200 more than an Elise.

The 'vette costs more and quite frankly I'm done with the big 3 US automakers anyways. The Elise is considerably more costly as well, and comes with a matching downgrade in horsepower to go with that downgrade in weight. The S2000 is a valid argument if modded to hell, but I just don't like the car really

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Considering the fact that this is basically a GT car, I don't think it's unreasonable to want decent sound, especially when, by the time I ditch the spare, my guess is that the sub is only about a 20 lb bump - if you've got the touring pack, your starting point was 50 lbs. over mine in the first place.

I don't think it's bad to have decent sound in a car like this either or I'd be ripping the whole sound system out, we just have different definitions of reasonable sound. I like the touring seats, they're comfy

We all make tradeoffs. As I prefixed my opinions earlier at the start of my post: "to each his own".

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Sorry if I come across as grumpy, but I'm not even sure why I'm getting a hard time. Yes, I want to add some weight, but I'm trying to balance it out with weight savings on the other end. Realistically, its basically all psychological - I don't have a lap timer, and the car is no doubt faster on the track than I am at this point (which I can at least admit). But after all, isn't this whole board about what people want, for no real reason? I don't see God collecting lap times to find your spot in heaven/hell.

Nobody's trying to give you a hard time, we're just expressing dissenting opinions. On some philosophical level there may be no reason for anything here, or for the Z to exist. But there has to be some level of rationality to the modding process. To some of us, paying for a Ti exhaust on a car with added audio weight over what the stock system already has seems illogical from a $ to performance ratio perspective. On the other hand, for some people money is no issue to begin with anyways.

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Final point - if I have bass in the car, I will get laid more. My wife loves bass. Even if I didn't, that would be reason enough for me...

I've had the opposite experience. I pulled the sub out of my car and coincidentally got laid for the first time in a while mere days later

arcticreaver · 05-02-2009, 04:42 AM

i guess in the end, it's all about what gets you laid, lol.

CBRich · 05-02-2009, 02:30 PM

Won't get into the big argument BUT . . .

I would think you could just go SS with the exhaust, get the lighter wheels and come out just a little more on price and a lot better on performance gain.

imag · 05-02-2009, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by CBRich

Won't get into the big argument BUT . . .

I would think you could just go SS with the exhaust, get the lighter wheels and come out just a little more on price and a lot better on performance gain.

Thanks... that may be what I'll do... or I might get wheels *and* exhaust... or none at all...

Anyway, the point of the thread was not a grand philosophical questioning of 20 additional lbs. on my car

, it was to ask Stillen whether or not they were eventually doing a Ti pipe. Since they haven't answered, I'll take it that the answer is no.

Thanks all for the comments...

Modshack · 05-03-2009, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by imag

Final point - if I have bass in the car, I will get laid more. My wife loves bass. Even if I didn't, that would be reason enough for me...

And you'll therefore get more exercise and maybe lose the 7lb additional weight the standard Stillen adds to the car?? Sounds like a wash to me!

04-29-2009, 10:02 PM	#1 (permalink)
imag Enthusiast Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Oakland, CA Posts: 446 Drives: up the wall Rep Power: 16	Stillen catback in Ti? Josh or Kyle - Any chance of you guys doing a Ti pipe? The way I see (and hear) it, Stillen has the best-sounding pipe with pretty much the best performance gains. The only thing is - based on the subwoofer plan I have - I'd love to lose some weight. I assume I'm not the only one who loves the Stillen catback but would be willing to pay for the weight reduction of Ti (as long as it's $3k or less). I realize the tone would change some with titanium, but hopefully it would be close. Am I dreaming here? Probably.

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wstar A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 4,024 Drives: too slow Rep Power: 3594	To each his own, but I just don't find even the stock sub worth it in this car. Don't get me wrong, I love music, and I like to listen to some while I drive. But if I want a top-end audio experience, I've got that at home I pulled my stock sub out and replaced it with nothing, and turned up the bass a little bit on the audio settings of the head unit. Sounds fine for driving music, even if it lacks a little bit of bass punch. It's not like a car with as much road noise as the Z is ever going to be a rolling concert stage anyways (at least not without adding a lot of weight and going against the nature of the car, imho). __________________ 7AT Track Car! Journal thread / Car setup details

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