New FULL exhaust under development: Supersprint

Jamaica · 06-15-2011, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by phelan

Yeah...this system looks like it might be even more rare than some JDM exhausts. Even my mind is blown spending $6k on a stainless steel exhaust.

If they figure out a more marketable price, though, I can tell from experience that SuperSprint makes some GOOD sounding exhausts. But I think they're stuck in Eurotuner mode...those prices won't fly on a JDM car.

98intrigue · 06-15-2011, 02:18 PM

Let's compare...FI LTH are what, $1200? Let's take a more expensive exhaust like an HKS which are around $2000. That's $3200. I'd say a fair price for a rare, Italian made exhaust coud be around $4000.

Jamaica · 06-15-2011, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by 98intrigue

Let's compare...FI LTH are what, $1200? Let's take a more expensive exhaust like an HKS which are around $2000. That's $3200. I'd say a fair price for a rare, Italian made exhaust coud be around $4000.

is it worth having LTH and exhaust for 30 hp gain for over 3k?

Econ · 06-15-2011, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Jamaica@UAMotorsports

is it worth having LTH and exhaust for 30 hp gain for over 3k?

depends what day you ask me

98intrigue · 06-15-2011, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Jamaica@UAMotorsports

is it worth having LTH and exhaust for 30 hp gain for over 3k?

Depends...does the person plan on going FI or sticking to NA?

Jamaica · 06-15-2011, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by 98intrigue

Depends...does the person plan on going FI or sticking to NA?

very true. For 4k exhaust i was some full titanium and a lap dance

RCZ · 06-15-2011, 03:23 PM

Haha, it doesnt matter where its made or who makes it....its $6000. There is 0 way to justify a $4000 exhaust, much less a $6000 one. I understand people spend a lot of money on mods, but usually thats on a LOT of mods, not just an exhaust. Like some said, this might fly in the upscale market for cars worth $75k+, but it will NEVER work in a competitive market where the average price for an exhaust is about $1200-$1500. $2500 with long tube headers....

I'm not, and im sure no one else in here is, trying to put this down because super sprint makes some awesome exhausts, but whats the point of making something you're not going to sell...

Erik@RTTuning · 06-15-2011, 03:46 PM

As said it is a projected number. Let's see what they actually try to bring it to market at after everything is said and done.
I will say it looks killer.

FastPaced · 06-15-2011, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Erik@RTTuning

As said it is a projected number. Let's see what they actually try to bring it to market at after everything is said and done.
I will say it looks killer.

+and sounds great.

Gardus350z · 06-15-2011, 04:28 PM

Ok, here a few facts:

The system is completely made in Italy. A LOT of JDM parts are made in Taiwan or China (HJS, Invidia, Tanabe etc) so they are cheap, and I have to be honest, (sometimes) they are well made, as the workers are very cheap they can afford to have more people, for example you can have a single worker that makes the same TIG welding on the same part all day long...
They usually are too loud in full system form, and the headers are often nice looking but fragile.

Anyway, the price of 6k is just an indication, based on the cost of similar system from Superprint, for example the GT3 system has step-design headers, HJS 200 CPSI cat and a rear exaust with black tips...it made 465 Hp on the mk2 3.8, that had 446 hp from standard, and that's on a higly strung NA engine, JUST with the exhaust...and it's around 7k.

I have no idea whatsoever what this system could do on a SC car, as the headers are a lot bigger (we're talking 42mm for the first ~150 mm, 48 for the rest of the primary pipes, with soft variations between..how big are the F.I.?), and the cats are the best in the world!

Another thing, how much is a new 370Z in the US? because here in Italy it's 41.000 Euros-->58,000 USD for the Coupè.

Consider just this, the previous full system developed was for the Mercedes SLS AMG (that's a 190k Euros car!), and it was made with the same philosophy. I've seen the dyno charts: standard car 581 HP and 640 nm. Full Exhaust 603 HP and 700 nm..but that's not the full story as at 3800 rpm there was a 55 hp increase! Hamann is going to offer this system in his catalogue (Supersprint makes all the system for Hamann, Hartge, Carlsson, Lorinser, Geiger, Techart, AC Schnitzer etc...)
Here you can watch all the recent cars, SLS included:
YouTube - ‪Supersprintcom's Channel‬&rlm;

b1adesofcha0s · 06-15-2011, 04:36 PM

Thanks for all the info! In the US the 370Z is around $30-40k new with some base models even in the upper $20k range. Hopefully this exhaust will be cheaper than $6k

gaveup · 06-15-2011, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Gardus350z

Ok, here a few facts:

The system is completely made in Italy. A LOT of JDM parts are made in Taiwan or China (HJS, Invidia, Tanabe etc) so they are cheap, and I have to be honest, (sometimes) they are well made, as the workers are very cheap they can afford to have more people, for example you can have a single worker that makes the same TIG welding on the same part all day long...
They usually are too loud in full system form, and the headers are often nice looking but fragile.

Anyway, the price of 6k is just an indication, based on the cost of similar system from Superprint, for example the GT3 system has step-design headers, HJS 200 CPSI cat and a rear exaust with black tips...it made 465 Hp on the mk2 3.8, that had 446 hp from standard, and that's on a higly strung NA engine, JUST with the exhaust...and it's around 7k.

I have no idea whatsoever what this system could do on a SC car, as the headers are a lot bigger (we're talking 42mm for the first ~150 mm, 48 for the rest of the primary pipes, with soft variations between..how big are the F.I.?), and the cats are the best in the world!

Another thing, how much is a new 370Z in the US? because here in Italy it's 41.000 Euros-->58,000 USD for the Coupè.

Consider just this, the previous full system developed was for the Mercedes SLS AMG (that's a 190k Euros car!), and it was made with the same philosophy. I've seen the dyno charts: standard car 581 HP and 640 nm. Full Exhaust 603 HP and 700 nm..but that's not the full story as at 3800 rpm there was a 55 hp increase! Hamann is going to offer this system in his catalogue (Supersprint makes all the system for Hamann, Hartge, Carlsson, Lorinser, Geiger, Techart, AC Schnitzer etc...)
Here you can watch all the recent cars, SLS included:
YouTube - ‪Supersprintcom's Channel‬&rlm;

I tried to read this, but once it began to sound like you were even trying to justify anything close to $6000 for an exhaust my mind just shut off.

I really don't care if it is made from the blood of unicorns, it's an exhaust. Let's break down what that means: BENT PIPES WELDED TOGETHER WITH A MUFFLER. You can try to pretty that up all you want, but in the end, that is all that it is. It isn't going to make much (if any) power over an invidia or even a damn ebay exhaust.

The only reason someone would buy this exhaust is to say they have it and make others feel poor. That might work for them in the euro car "the more i buy the bigger my penis gets" land, but I imagine among level headed people this concept is just stupid.

Hell. even half the cost is still overpriced. You can have a local welder make you a Ti exhaust for under $3,000 (well at least I can), why would anyone pay more for less of a product is beyond me.

Jamaica · 06-15-2011, 04:56 PM

I guess Amuse, HKS and Greddy are cheap exhaust now.

Econ · 06-15-2011, 05:22 PM

gaveup,

some people here are spending $5k + on wheels.... many might find this over the top on a $30k car. and forged wheels are just a big piece of metal slamed into a different peice of metal, right?

so, although i think its steep i can see some people buying this....

b1adesofcha0s · 06-15-2011, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Econ

gaveup,

some people here are spending $5k + on wheels.... many might find this over the top on a $30k car. and forged wheels are just a big piece of metal slamed into a different peice of metal, right?

so, although i think its steep i can see some people buying this....

Some will buy it just to brag that they have a super expensive Italian exhaust. I would much rather have an expensive Italian supercar/supermodel

06-15-2011, 02:18 PM	#32 (permalink)
98intrigue A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Clearwater, FL Age: 39 Posts: 4,855 Drives: 2014 Viper Rep Power: 430	Let's compare...FI LTH are what, $1200? Let's take a more expensive exhaust like an HKS which are around $2000. That's $3200. I'd say a fair price for a rare, Italian made exhaust coud be around $4000. __________________ Ryan - 2014 Stryker Green Viper Gone - a few Vipers and a couple turbo VQs

06-15-2011, 04:36 PM	#41 (permalink)
b1adesofcha0s A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: MD Posts: 40,963 Drives: HypeTrain Choo Choo! Rep Power: 141	Thanks for all the info! In the US the 370Z is around $30-40k new with some base models even in the upper $20k range. Hopefully this exhaust will be cheaper than $6k __________________ Project: b1adeZmobile (2009 370Z) \| Uprev Tune by AAM Competition \| Berk Exhaust Project: b1adeZmobile 2.0 (2014 C7 Z51) \| Corsa Xtreme Exhaust

06-15-2011, 05:22 PM	#44 (permalink)
Econ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: New York City Posts: 2,546 Drives: Fiat? Rep Power: 19	gaveup, some people here are spending $5k + on wheels.... many might find this over the top on a $30k car. and forged wheels are just a big piece of metal slamed into a different peice of metal, right? so, although i think its steep i can see some people buying this.... __________________ 2014 Triumph Thruxton 900 2013 Fiat 500 Abarth 2009 Nissan 370z

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06-15-2011, 04:56 PM	#43 (permalink)
Jamaica A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: SoCal Posts: 15,362 Drives: Under boost Rep Power: 73	I guess Amuse, HKS and Greddy are cheap exhaust now.