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gotchu99 06-08-2011 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by BrandonT (Post 1158191)
gotchu99> so just to confirm you took one inch off the tailpipe and the tip is one finger width from flush with the top of the bumper lip? If you cut the tip collar also as Mandingo did how much do you estimate you can cut off? Enough to be flush?

Really would appreciate the feedback as I just bought this exhaust. I may go with Invidia instead, but those look a finger width or so past flush anyway, so if I can get to there or better I might as well just stay with the Berks.

Brandon, yeah I took one inch off the tailpipe because as you can see in the pictures on page one mine were way out for some reason. I guess when these exhausts are handmade you tend to get variations. There is plenty of metal on the collar to take off another inch or so to get them flush. If you get the Berks just take some metal off the collar of the tips first and see where you are at. Your exhaust might not be out as far as mine was to begin with. If you are still out to far then trim the tailpipe as well. Between the two cuts you should have no problem getting them flush. I don't mind that I am now out only a fingers width from the bumper. If it starts to bother me I will just trim the collar down a bit. I have Berk HFC's with the CBE and the sound is perfect. I still would recommend this exhaust, just sucks that it now needs some tweaking to get the fit right.

BrandonT 06-08-2011 05:18 PM

Awesome, thanks for the feedback. I'll probably just go ahead and install it and trim everything to fit.

40thThree7D 06-08-2011 08:43 PM

Well this sucks, I was just about to order this exhaust from a vendor because I liked the stock look of the original...ahhh well!!

Rui Z 06-08-2011 08:47 PM

Looks like I'll be able to sell my older version Berk CBE at a higher price now. :ugh2:

BerkTech 06-08-2011 10:39 PM

Hey guys,

We did in fact change the exhaust slightly from the original design based on customer feedback but it seems that many of you guys liked the original setup better. The reasons to go with a slip on tip were mainly to allow some adjustability in the tips. The slip fit allows you guys to position the tips precisely to match your bumper cutout and length. Some of you wanted the tips to stick out more to avoid collecting soot on the bumper. The slip fit allows you to pull them out so the tip is past the edge of the bumper and the clamp is small enough that you'll never see it unless you get down on your hands and knees.

On top of that more and more Nismo 370Z owners were wanting a different tip design that what we currently offer. The slip on tip allows us to mate virtually any tip to the exhaust and we can make custom tip options for you guy in house.

It would be a good idea to take a quick poll and see what you guys really prefer. Are you guys willing to work with us on this to see if we can nail down exactly what the majority want?

Cheers guys and thank you for your support!

b1adesofcha0s 06-08-2011 10:52 PM

Sounds like a plan :tup:

I like the old tips.

BOLIO 671 06-09-2011 10:32 AM

Mee too..Like the old tips way better....I see where ur coming from though Berk Tech regarding the Nismo's....The original tips don't go well for the rear cut of the Nismo bumper...

Seems that in the OP's situation he had issues with the tips sticking out too much...I really didn't have any fitment issues with mine...Mine were well aligned and didn't need any adjustments...those that did were easily fixed with a simple washer or two to space it out..

I say stick to the original tips, but have the aejustable tips as an option for the Nismo folks and those out there that prefer the tips to stick out....The original set up sounds and looks sweet compared to other exhausts out there HANDS DOWN....IMO

onzedge 06-09-2011 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BerkTech (Post 1159191)
Hey guys,

We did in fact change the exhaust slightly from the original design based on customer feedback but it seems that many of you guys liked the original setup better. The reasons to go with a slip on tip were mainly to allow some adjustability in the tips. The slip fit allows you guys to position the tips precisely to match your bumper cutout and length. Some of you wanted the tips to stick out more to avoid collecting soot on the bumper. The slip fit allows you to pull them out so the tip is past the edge of the bumper and the clamp is small enough that you'll never see it unless you get down on your hands and knees.

On top of that more and more Nismo 370Z owners were wanting a different tip design that what we currently offer. The slip on tip allows us to mate virtually any tip to the exhaust and we can make custom tip options for you guy in house.

It would be a good idea to take a quick poll and see what you guys really prefer. Are you guys willing to work with us on this to see if we can nail down exactly what the majority want?

Cheers guys and thank you for your support!

+1 Rep for Berk for being responsive to our needs and concerns. BTW: I still love my Berk CBE.

b1adesofcha0s 06-09-2011 10:41 AM

I think it would be best to offer both as well. Just have each customer specify which one they want.

BrandonT 06-09-2011 11:20 AM

Good to see Berk on this issue so fast!! Personally I understand the reason for the adjustable tip, it is a good feature. Just make sure that fully slid in it can go back as far as stock, or flush at most.

b1adesofcha0s 06-09-2011 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by BrandonT (Post 1159873)
Good to see Berk on this issue so fast!! Personally I understand the reason for the adjustable tip, it is a good feature. Just make sure that fully slid in it can go back as far as stock, or flush at most.

Yeah, that would be perfect. :tup:

Any significant weight difference on the old tips vs the adjustable tips? I doubt it, but just wondering.

BrandonT 06-09-2011 12:55 PM

So I just received my Berk exhaust and took a look. It looks like only the tips need to be trimmed. The tip can be slid about as far onto the pipe as you want, it's tight, but you could it. So I'm not really sure the pipe needs to be shortened? Not really sure what that would gain except not having it protrude into the tip? You can't really see it. OTOH the tip has the least tolerance to trimming. I would imagine you would want to leave some of the slits so the clamp can squeeze. But the slits are only 1" deep so I wouldn't be comfortable taking more than 1/2" off. You could make deeper slits but that is lot more work for the DIY'er and might get you another 1/2" at most.

I may have to get everything hung before I know how this will work out...

http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q...o/DSCN0405.jpg

b1adesofcha0s 06-09-2011 02:32 PM

Cool, definitely take some pics when installed. See if you can get a shot with the tips all the way in to see how far they stick out past the bumper without any trimming. :tup:

40thThree7D 06-09-2011 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BOLIO 671 (Post 1159770)
Mee too..Like the old tips way better....I see where ur coming from though Berk Tech regarding the Nismo's....The original tips don't go well for the rear cut of the Nismo bumper...

Seems that in the OP's situation he had issues with the tips sticking out too much...I really didn't have any fitment issues with mine...Mine were well aligned and didn't need any adjustments...those that did were easily fixed with a simple washer or two to space it out..

I say stick to the original tips, but have the aejustable tips as an option for the Nismo folks and those out there that prefer the tips to stick out....The original set up sounds and looks sweet compared to other exhausts out there HANDS DOWN....IMO

+1:tup:

Mandingo 06-10-2011 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by BrandonT (Post 1160103)
So I just received my Berk exhaust and took a look. It looks like only the tips need to be trimmed. The tip can be slid about as far onto the pipe as you want, it's tight, but you could it. So I'm not really sure the pipe needs to be shortened? Not really sure what that would gain except not having it protrude into the tip? You can't really see it. OTOH the tip has the least tolerance to trimming. I would imagine you would want to leave some of the slits so the clamp can squeeze. But the slits are only 1" deep so I wouldn't be comfortable taking more than 1/2" off. You could make deeper slits but that is lot more work for the DIY'er and might get you another 1/2" at most.

I may have to get everything hung before I know how this will work out...

I don't think people were saying the pipe itself needed to be shortened but, the collar on the passenger side tip itself needs to lose about 3/4 inch. In my case I also cut those slits a bit longer to make up for the lost material on the collar.

If you simply jam the passenger side tip forward, the bend in the pipe causes the tip to angle to the right which looks unsightly.

Hopefully I'll have time tonight to get a couple pics of what I'm talking about. :tiphat:

@ b1adesofcha0s
I'm sure the adjustable tips are a tiny bit heavier with the clamps and the extra length of tubing involved but its minimal.

b1adesofcha0s 06-10-2011 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Mandingo (Post 1162638)
I don't think people were saying the pipe itself needed to be shortened but, the collar on the passenger side tip itself needs to lose about 3/4 inch. In my case I also cut those slits a bit longer to make up for the lost material on the collar.

If you simply jam the passenger side tip forward, the bend in the pipe causes the tip to angle to the right which looks unsightly.

Hopefully I'll have time tonight to get a couple pics of what I'm talking about. :tiphat:

@ b1adesofcha0s
I'm sure the adjustable tips are a tiny bit heavier with the clamps and the extra length of tubing involved but its minimal.

That's what I figured.

BrandonT 06-10-2011 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mandingo (Post 1162638)
I don't think people were saying the pipe itself needed to be shortened but, the collar on the passenger side tip itself needs to lose about 3/4 inch. In my case I also cut those slits a bit longer to make up for the lost material on the collar.

If you simply jam the passenger side tip forward, the bend in the pipe causes the tip to angle to the right which looks unsightly.

Gotchu99 mentioned having the pipes cut at a muffler shop which confused me once I got to looking at them. He must have meant the tips. I'm going to cut the slots up to the weld on the problem side and take maybe 1" off the collar. Probably drill a hole where I want to end though so no stress cracks can start.

Mandingo 06-10-2011 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrandonT (Post 1162663)
Gotchu99 mentioned having the pipes cut at a muffler shop which confused me once I got to looking at them. He must have meant the tips. I'm going to cut the slots up to the weld on the problem side and take maybe 1" off the collar. Probably drill a hole where I want to end though so no stress cracks can start.

Drilling holes for the slits isn't a bad idea.
Heres my passenger side pipe after all the work:
http://www.the370z.com/members/mandi...ersidepipe.jpg http://www.the370z.com/members/mandi...r-side-tip.jpg


I left enough of the collar so the clamp would fit without overlapping the weld or hanging off the edge of the cut collar.

Its been like this for about 2k miles now and hasn't changed its position. As you noted, after cutting this much off the collar it is essential that you elongate the slits so the clamp can still do its job. Good luck! :tup:

onzedge 06-10-2011 06:12 PM

Mandingo, that looks like a nice fit. Good job. Have a free rep point on me. :tup:

b1adesofcha0s 06-10-2011 07:05 PM

Looks good Mandingo :tup:

BrandonT 06-12-2011 08:12 PM

Just installed the exhaust. I trimmed the passenger side tip about 3/4", and made the slit longer:

http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q...t/DSCN0407.jpg

Nothing a Dremel tool with cutting wheel and grinding stone couldn't handle. Pushed it pretty far back, it ended up about 1/8" behind flush. It helps to grind the inside weld so it slides easier, even then I had to use a mallet and rod and tap it back and forth to move it back.

http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q...t/DSCN0408.jpg
http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q...haust/1234.jpg
http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q...haust/3456.jpg

Now this is cold, it was about a 1/2" farther out when it was warm. So I'm not sure if I'll leave it there or push it back some more. I was starting to get to the curve of the pipe, so not sure how much more I could go without the tip getting cockeyed.

Regarding fitment, this is my first exhaust install so I don't know what a normal tolerance is. But I thought it was mediocre. Flanges were somewhat off and one flex joint was tilted, although its flange aligned ok. The tips were not level and I had to lower the passenger side 1/4" to get them to look good. Overall not a big deal, everything was tweakable for even a novice.

The sound is glorious :yum:

Mandingo 06-13-2011 06:16 PM

Nice job! This was my first exhaust install too.

My driver side flex pipe was welded on a little crooked too but I was able to snug it down and it seems ok.

My passenger side tip sat higher also. I just lowered it with washers to make them even at first. Eventually I decided I wanted both tips sitting higher inside the cutouts in the bumper but was too scared to bend the hangers on the exhaust itself so.. supporting the exhaust with a jack stand, I took the driver side bracket off and bent it up instead (I picked up a spare one at Courtesy just in case I effed it up too much:icon14:). These are very easy to replace and you don't have to jack the Z up to do it.

http://www.the370z.com/members/mandi...eplaceable.jpg

I actually just put the thing in a vice and tightened it down until I thought the bend at the end of the bracket had straightened out enough to raise the exhaust. It could still be higher but I'm done messing with this thing for now!

http://www.the370z.com/members/mandi...ng-hangers.jpg

b1adesofcha0s 06-13-2011 06:21 PM

Looks great man! :tup:

mwz516 06-25-2011 01:44 PM

I had a local shop do the install I have same problem and and left tip is not straight
Also tip position is not in the middle. it is tilted to right how do i fix this?


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