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LinPark 04-05-2011 12:35 PM

Help Me Identify This Sound
 
I don't have a video of it (yet - I hope one isn't necesarry) but hopefully describing it will lead someone to the answer. I just got finished installing Berk HFC's this past weekend and previously I had put in Stillen G3's the week before. At wide open throttle I start to hear a high pitched scream (almost like a whistle) as the car heads into the 4k+ RPM range. I don't remember hearing that when it was just the Stillen G3's installed but it is definitely there now that the Berk's are in place. It doesn't seem to happen when the car is just sitting and rev'ing but only under true acceleration. Any thoughts on what this might be and whether or not it is just a normal behavior of this particular combination? I have the HKS Hi-Power exhaust as well. I did dismantle the G3's to install the Berk's - is there an easy way to detect small leaks on the intakes or cats?

Thanks!

XwChriswX 04-05-2011 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by LinPark (Post 1034168)
I don't have a video of it (yet - I hope one isn't necesarry) but hopefully describing it will lead someone to the answer. I just got finished installing Berk HFC's this past weekend and previously I had put in Stillen G3's the week before. At wide open throttle I start to hear a high pitched scream (almost like a whistle) as the car heads into the 4k+ RPM range. I don't remember hearing that when it was just the Stillen G3's installed but it is definitely there now that the Berk's are in place. It doesn't seem to happen when the car is just sitting and rev'ing but only under true acceleration. Any thoughts on what this might be and whether or not it is just a normal behavior of this particular combination? I have the HKS Hi-Power exhaust as well. I did dismantle the G3's to install the Berk's - is there an easy way to detect small leaks on the intakes or cats?

Thanks!

What you're hearing is the vacuum of air rushing through the filters/intake piping into the engine. Now that the entire breathing system is more open, a lot more air is flowing. You could hear this more prominiently through an SRI but even with the Stillens, now paired with your HFCs and CBE, is now more pronounced. Nothing wrong with it. :tup: Just means you need boost! :tup:

LinPark 04-05-2011 02:37 PM

How does one acquire boost? :)

I wonder if the UpRev tune will make this more prominent in the low RPM range as well - anyone want to take a guess at what my before and after Dyno's will look like given my setup? Only performance mods so far are Stillen G3's, Berk HFC's, and HKS Hi-Power Titanium Exhaust.

XwChriswX 04-05-2011 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by LinPark (Post 1034488)
How does one acquire boost? :)

I wonder if the UpRev tune will make this more prominent in the low RPM range as well - anyone want to take a guess at what my before and after Dyno's will look like given my setup? Only performance mods so far are Stillen G3's, Berk HFC's, and HKS Hi-Power Titanium Exhaust.

Boost would be from a Forced Induction setup, either Twin Turbo or SuperCharger

As for possible Dyno numbers, the best way to answer this would be get a dyno run prior to the tune, then get one after the tune on the same dyno.

daisuke149 04-05-2011 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by XwChriswX (Post 1034175)
What you're hearing is the vacuum of air rushing through the filters/intake piping into the engine. Now that the entire breathing system is more open, a lot more air is flowing. You could hear this more prominiently through an SRI but even with the Stillens, now paired with your HFCs and CBE, is now more pronounced. Nothing wrong with it. :tup: Just means you need boost! :tup:

hrmm you sure?

the stillens make a sound up top but its not a whistle.

XwChriswX 04-05-2011 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by daisuke149 (Post 1034868)
hrmm you sure?

the stillens make a sound up top but its not a whistle.

Its 1 of 3 things...

1. Signature Stillen Sound
2. Vacuum Whistile
3. A Leak somewhere in a Vacuum Line

Jordo! 04-05-2011 05:17 PM

Sounds like a bad vac leak.

While the car is running, spray some carb cleaner under the hood. When the idle dramatically changes, you've found the leak.

XwChriswX 04-05-2011 05:46 PM

Also if you could take a recording of the sound that might better help distinguish the culprit...

LinPark 04-05-2011 05:48 PM

Maybe a whistle was the wrong phrase - it sounds more like a high speed turbine. If it were a vacuum leak wouldn't I hear it all times. I suppose I could swap the intakes back to stock temporarily. Not sure I want to start spraying carb cleaner around under my hood just yet. :)

I'll see if I can get a video of it so we can narrow it down.

XwChriswX 04-05-2011 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by LinPark (Post 1034963)
Maybe a whistle was the wrong phrase - it sounds more like a high speed turbine. If it were a vacuum leak wouldn't I hear it all times. I suppose I could swap the intakes back to stock temporarily. Not sure I want to start spraying carb cleaner around under my hood just yet. :)

I'll see if I can get a video of it so we can narrow it down.

Something else to consider... Where exactly is the sound coming from?

The Engine Bay? or Under the Car??

Perhaps theres an exhaust leak somewhere? Blown gasket, bolt not all the way tightened?

LinPark 04-07-2011 05:53 PM

Apologies guys but time has slipped away from me and I leave for Mumbai, India tomorrow morning. Top of my priority list when I return is to get a video up so I can get this resolved. Thanks for all the tips so far! :tup:

LinPark 04-19-2011 02:48 PM

Ok, just back from India and taped these today:

YouTube Link

I was honestly having a hard time pinpointing just where the sound was coming from. Any thoughts on what that sound might be?

Thanks!

Jordo! 04-19-2011 05:41 PM

I thought I heard metal on metal -- something hitting or rubbing?

LinPark 04-19-2011 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Jordo! (Post 1062590)
I thought I heard metal on metal -- something hitting or rubbing?

Now that you bring it up, I can almost hear the metal on metal as well. I know when I installed the HFC's that I had to remove the upper part of the intakes and during re-install I might have tweaked the lower pieces with the front bumper completely in place. So, I can't really tell what went on there. I think I'll yank the front bumper off again and see if that is what the issue is here. I can't see metal on metal being an issue near the HFC's but knowing how tight it is under the fascia I hope that is where I'm going to find the culprit.

Thanks for the tip and I'll keep you guys informed of what I find.

haddy98 04-19-2011 07:41 PM

When you change your HFC, did the engine warning light come on? I'm planning to change mine but i don't want the warning light to come on.

LinPark 04-19-2011 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by haddy98 (Post 1062732)
When you change your HFC, did the engine warning light come on? I'm planning to change mine but i don't want the warning light to come on.

No, I took great care with the O2 sensors down there and have had zero CEL's. That was a big concern for me too but it seems Berk got the design just right (as did Stillen for that matter). Once I find the cause of this sound and fix it, I will be beyond happy with this setup.

LinPark 04-21-2011 07:58 PM

Well, I'm 99% sure it isn't the intakes at this point - I checked those out today and they seem quite snug in there. After that I took her out for a spin and the sound is still there. It seems to come from the passenger side rear. Doesn't make alot of sense because the exhaust has been on the car for months and I haven't heard anything like that before.

Is it possilbe this is some sort of break-in period thing with the HFC's? I guess that doesn't make sense either because the sound only happens when the car is in motion. Guess I'll spend some time underneath the rear this weekend and see if I can see anything that might have shifted while installing the cats.

Not really interested in starting to swap old parts back in to see what makes the sound go away but it may come to that. :(

Kthulu 04-22-2011 10:39 AM

Howdy.

I had Berk HFCs installed about a month back (there is a thread in here somewhere that I posted w/ dyno results). I also have that hiss and ping noise under hard acceleration. Sounds totally normal all other times.

I was worried that I had an exhaust leak from one of the joints with the HFCs and took it back to my local shop. They put it back up in the air, and checked all the joints for signs of leaks and checked the torque on everything from the oxygen sensors to the bracing. Everything was tight and there was no sign on a exhaust leak. He also examined the HFCs (as best he could while they were installed) for signs of broken or loose honeycomb. Everything checked out okay.

Finally, we took the car out for another test drive, this time with the data reader hooked up. Everything looked fine; no problem codes, no timing being pulled, nothing. Just that same sound anytime you flog it.

I'm still love to know what is making that sound and get rid of it if I could, but at least everything seems to be working fine. If you have any more luck then I, please post it here or send me a PM.

FairladyZ 12-20-2012 08:31 AM

Bump.

I recently got these two put in. Hks and berk and am having the same sounds


It sounds like air rushing, almost like a turbine whine.


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